Did Joe Biden go too far

[TLK Valentine]

Perhaps you missed the question in the post that asked if what was in that picture looked like racial discrimination. Mostly white people in that line.

What are they waiting in line for?

 

[disciple Clint]

I didn't mention it. My point was that queing for hours to vote in a modern society is seriously wrong. Monstrously wrong. How that affects different people is another problem. Solve the first and the second doesn't exist.

So we forget the major argument of the Dems that people having to stand in line is an effort on the part of the Reps to curtail the minority vote?

 

[disciple Clint]

What is this a picture of? When and where was it taken? What do you think a single picture of 20 or so people is supposed to prove about, well, anything in a nation of 300+ million people (assuming this is even from America).

It is supposed to be evidence that voting laws discriminate against minorities, there seem to be a few minorities mixed in with the people in line but it is hardly convincing.

 

[Bradskii]

So we forget the major argument of the Dems that people having to stand in line is an effort on the part of the Reps to curtail the minority vote?

Whether it does or not is not the point I have made or am making. I am saying that queue lengths as being discussed are disgraceful in themselves. If problems that result from that are shown to be invalid then that doesn't change the fact that you need to reduce queing times. If they are valid then that simply adds a reason to reduce them. But they need to be reduced anyway.

All I am seeing is 'oh yes they are' versus 'oh no they're not'. Quite frankly, I don't care. There hasn't been a single post from your side of the argument even coming close to admitting that some voting lines are ridiculously long and zero suggestions for fixing that.

Why not? The problem is there for all to see. The solutions appear to be simple. Why is it being ignored?

 

[disciple Clint]

Whether it does or not is not the point I have made or am making. I am saying that queue lengths as being discussed are disgraceful in themselves. If problems that result from that are shown to be invalid then that doesn't change the fact that you need to reduce queing times. If they are valid then that simply adds a reason to reduce them. But they need to be reduced anyway.

All I am seeing is 'oh yes they are' versus 'oh no they're not'. Quite frankly, I don't care. There hasn't been a single post from your side of the argument even coming close to admitting that some voting lines are ridiculously long and zero suggestions for fixing that.

Why not? The problem is there for all to see. The solutions appear to be simple. Why is it being ignored?

I have not seen any evidence that anyone is being denied the opportunity to vote, regarding to line length, that would depend on what time you are talking about, if it is the last day to vote, and as we know some people wait for the last day for reasons of their own, it would not mean much. Looking at a picture of one moment in time does not provide evidence that what you see is typical or normal, now does it?

 

[Bradskii]

I have not seen any evidence that anyone is being denied the opportunity to vote, regarding to line length, that would depend on what time you are talking about, if it is the last day to vote, and as we know some people wait for the last day for reasons of their own, it would not mean much. Looking at a picture of one moment in time does not provide evidence that what you see is typical or normal, now does it?

Was I working on the evidence of one picture? No I was not. Are we both aware of voting queues that are hours long? Yes we are.

Please don't waste my time.

 

[Vylo]

I have not seen any evidence that anyone is being denied the opportunity to vote, regarding to line length, that would depend on what time you are talking about, if it is the last day to vote, and as we know some people wait for the last day for reasons of their own, it would not mean much. Looking at a picture of one moment in time does not provide evidence that what you see is typical or normal, now does it?

the last day to vote is what we commonly refer to election day, when most people vote. Long lines are unacceptable then.

 

[disciple Clint]

Was I working on the evidence of one picture? No I was not. Are we both aware of voting queues that are hours long? Yes we are.

Please don't waste my time.

Tell me what you know about voting queues, give me the when where and who since you seem to know or claim to be aware provide the facts if you can.

 

[Bradskii]

Tell me what you know about voting queues, give me the when where and who since you seem to know or claim to be aware provide the facts if you can.

Your argument has been that long queues are not a problem and now you want me to present you with evidence that the long queues exist. What?

Good grief, just read the article that was linked to a few posts back. That was the reason for it being posted. To give an example of it. Are you not reading the thread? For heaven's sake, how frustrating is this...

Edit. Unbelievably, the link was actually given to you when you asked for it in post 470. I mean that was a dozen posts or so ago and you have forgotten about it already?

 

[disciple Clint]

Your argument has been that long queues are not a problem and now you want me to present you with evidence that the long queues exist. What?

Good grief, just read the article that was linked to a few posts back. That was the reason for it being posted. To give an example of it. Are you not reading the thread? For heaven's sake, how frustrating is this...

Read my post, that article proves that at some time there are long queues, you are trying to make the point that this is typical and should be eliminated so show the evidence you have that it is typical. I think you are buying into a narrative that is not based on all the facts.

 

[Bradskii]

Read my post, that article proves that at some time there are long queues, you are trying to make the point that this is typical and should be eliminated so show the evidence you have that it is typical. I think you are buying into a narrative that is not based on all the facts.

Never have I said, suggested or intimated that queues of that length are typical. So that is a point I am not trying to make. That's cleared that up.

The point I have made, am making and will continue to have to make (it seems) is that monstrously long queues are common enough to cause a great deal of people a great deal of problems. Why else would Republicans demand that food and drink not be supplied? Not supplied to people in non existing queues? Not supplied to people who are waiting for a few minutes? Do me a favour...

You asked for facts. Twice. You've been given facts. Twice. You have been told about the problem. You have been given evidence about the problem. You have quotes from people experiencing the problem. And now you say you won't accept any of that because it's not what you deem 'typical' enough.

I'm trying to work out why I'm wasting so much time on this.

 

[disciple Clint]

Never have I said, suggested or intimated that queues of that length are typical. So that is a point I am not trying to make. That's cleared that up.

The point I have made, am making and will continue to have to make (it seems) is that monstrously long queues are common enough to cause a great deal of people a great deal of problems. Why else would Republicans demand that food and drink not be supplied? Not supplied to people in non existing queues? Not supplied to people who are waiting for a few minutes? Do me a favour...

You asked for facts. Twice. You've been given facts. Twice. You have been told about the problem. You have been given evidence about the problem. You have quotes from people experiencing the problem. And now you say you won't accept any of that because it's not what you deem 'typical' enough.

I'm trying to work out why I'm wasting so much time on this.

The point I have made, am making and will continue to have to make (it seems) is that monstrously long queues are common enough to cause a great deal of people a great deal of problems. Why else would Republicans demand that food and drink not be supplied? Not supplied to people in non existing queues? Not supplied to people who are waiting for a few minutes? Do me a favour...

You are making an assumption without evidence that "monstrously long queues are common enough to cause a great deal of people a great deal of problems" Where is you evidence that what you claim is a fact? Also I provided numerous posts to you on another thread showing that the voting laws do not preclude people from getting food or water, and yet here again you are repeating a falsehood. Once again people are precluded from giving away for no compensation food or drink to people waiting to vote. There a perfectly logical reasons for this law as I explained over and over again. Are you only seeing what you want to see?

 

[Bradskii]

You are making an assumption without evidence that "monstrously long queues are common enough to cause a great deal of people a great deal of problems" Where is you evidence that what you claim is a fact? Also I provided numerous posts to you on another thread showing that the voting laws do not preclude people from getting food or water, and yet here again you are repeating a falsehood. Once again people are precluded from giving away for no compensation food or drink to people waiting to vote. There a perfectly logical reasons for this law as I explained over and over again. Are you only seeing what you want to see?

Holy Toledo...just type 'long queues voting usa' into Google. There are simply too many hits to justify linking even a few. They are legion. To deny it is absurd.

And yet again, I am not arguing about the pros and conns of supplying food and drink to people in those lines. That's a secondary concern. Please do NOT deflect to that. But it's a concern that Republicans want to address because obviously the long lines exist which prompt a duscussion about needing to supply food and drink. That is the reason it was mentioned - to show that long queues are an acceoted fact of voting in tbe US.

By everyone except you it seems.

 

[disciple Clint]

Holy Toledo...just type 'long queues voting usa' into Google. There are simply too many hits to justify linking even a few. They are legion. To deny it is absurd.

And yet again, I am not arguing about the pros and conns of supplying food and drink to people in those lines. That's a secondary concern. Please do NOT deflect to that. But it's a concern that Republicans want to address because obviously the long lines exist which prompt a duscussion about needing to supply food and drink. That is the reason it was mentioned - to show that long queues are an acceoted fact of voting in tbe US.

By everyone except you it seems.

OK no evidence from you once again, game over.

 

[Bradskii]

OK no evidence from you once again, game over.

You just lost what was left of any credibility your argument had.

 

[disciple Clint]

You just lost what was left of any credibility your argument had.

OK no problem your inability to provide evidence to support your position is obviously my fault, Have a nice day.

 

[Bradskii]

OK no problem your inability to provide evidence to support your position is obviously my fault, Have a nice day.

'Long queues voting usa'. Go for your life...

 

[KCfromNC]

Perhaps you missed the question in the post that asked if what was in that picture looked like racial discrimination. Mostly white people in that line.

Are posts actually trying to use a single image to disprove the idea that GOP voter suppression targets minorities?

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is supposed to be evidence that voting laws discriminate against minorities, there seem to be a few minorities mixed in with the people in line but it is hardly convincing.

What are they in line for in that picture?

 

[Aldebaran]

Are posts actually trying to use a single image to disprove the idea that GOP voter suppression targets minorities?

TBH, it's getting difficult to figure out what you guys are trying to prove. First, the idea was that minorities are having their vote suppressed because a law somewhere says they should bring a bottle of water with them, and then it was supposedly about long lines (which an example shows whites as the majority in the line), and biden seems to believe that unless a new voting rights law isn't passed, the next election won't be fair (even though he's in office under the current voting laws).
Perhaps you guys should be more clear in what your argument is by not moving the goalposts so often.