Did Joe Biden go too far

[Bradskii]

TBH, it's getting difficult to figure out what you guys are trying to prove. First, the idea was that minorities are having their vote suppressed because a law somewhere says they should bring a bottle of water with them, and then it was supposedly about long lines (which an example shows whites as the majority in the line), and biden seems to believe that unless a new voting rights law isn't passed, the next election won't be fair (even though he's in office under the current voting laws).
Perhaps you guys should be more clear in what your argument is by not moving the goalposts so often.

'Bring your own bottle' was suggested because Republicans didn't want drinks handed out. Because of the ridiculously long lines. So the argument has been about long lines for the last umpteen posts. And lots of examples have been given about long lines. Links have been posted that have people talking about and showing pictures of long lines.

And you want to know what the discussion is about? Well, now you know, perhaps you can come up with a solution.

 

[Aldebaran]

'Bring your own bottle' was suggested because Republicans didn't want drinks handed out. Because of the ridiculously long lines. So the argument has been about long lines for the last umpteen posts. And lots of examples have been given about long lines. Links have been posted that have people talking about and showing pictures of long lines.

And you want to know what the discussion is about? Well, now you know, perhaps you can come up with a solution.

So, because of "long lines" (of people of all colors and income classes), we're supposed to believe that voting rights of "minorities" are suppressed unless joe gets his law passed?
How did democrats ever get elected up to this point? Maybe joe could tell us, since he is one.

 

[Bradskii]

So, because of "long lines" (of people of all colors and income classes), we're supposed to believe that voting rights of "minorities" are suppressed unless joe gets his law passed?
How did democrats ever get elected up to this point? Maybe joe could tell us, since he is one.

So you seem not to mind that people have to wait for hours to vote. And therefore have no solutions whatsoever how to solve that problem.

That's clear enough.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you seem not to mind that people have to wait for hours to vote. And therefore have no solutions whatsoever how to solve that problem.

That's clear enough.

What's also clear enough is that you've moved the goalposts since "voting rights" is no longer being discussed, but time spent waiting in line.
Next big issue: No sporting events on a big screen TV while waiting in line to vote.

 

[KCfromNC]

TBH, it's getting difficult to figure out what you guys are trying to prove. First, the idea was that minorities are having their vote suppressed because a law somewhere says they should bring a bottle of water with them, and then it was supposedly about long lines (which an example shows whites as the majority in the line), and biden seems to believe that unless a new voting rights law isn't passed, the next election won't be fair (even though he's in office under the current voting laws).
Perhaps you guys should be more clear in what your argument is by not moving the goalposts so often.

My "argument" was just a question, which for some reason wasn't answered here.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

What's also clear enough is that you've moved the goalposts since "voting rights" is no longer being discussed, but time spent waiting in line.
Next big issue: No sporting events on a big screen TV while waiting in line to vote.

Yes that is voting rights, waiting excessive time to cast a vote can be a form of disenfranchisement.
Reducing the number of polling places causes extension of the time that one must wait to vote at the remaining polling places thus impacting ones voting rights.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes that is voting rights, waiting excessive time to cast a vote can be a form of disenfranchisement.
Reducing the number of polling places causes extension of the time that one must wait to vote at the remaining polling places thus impacting ones voting rights.

If people are "disenfranchised" by waiting in line, they're affected equally and not by skin color, which has been the prevailing narrative about it.
How long of a wait is reasonable?

 

[Bradskii]

If people are "disenfranchised" by waiting in line, they're affected equally and not by skin color, which has been the prevailing narrative about it.

I wonder if it would make a difference where the lines were. Whaddya think?

 

[Aldebaran]

I wonder if it would make a difference where the lines were. Whaddya think?

Location is irrelevant.

 

[Pommer]

Location is irrelevant.

Are long lines (waiting in all sorts of weather) even a deterrent to casting a vote?
Not to True Patriots!

 

[KCfromNC]

If people are "disenfranchised" by waiting in line, they're affected equally and not by skin color, which has been the prevailing narrative about it.

Depends. For example, if the GOP cut voting hours during times most used in minority communities, that would be an attempt to affect one skin color more than others.

And in my state, they admitted to doing so in court filings.

 

[Bradskii]

Location is irrelevant.

Ah, I see where the problem is.

 

[Aldebaran]

Depends. For example, if the GOP cut voting hours during times most used in minority communities, that would be an attempt to affect one skin color more than others.

And in my state, they admitted to doing so in court filings.

If they really thought the lines were going to be too long, what stopped them from early voting, which gives them weeks of time in advance?

 

[SimplyMe]

If they really thought the lines were going to be too long, what stopped them from early voting, which gives them weeks of time in advance?

I've had long lines a couple of times during Early voting, even going in the early afternoon (an hour or longer). This seems doubly true since there are a very limited number of early voting locations, so they can easily get overwhelmed.

Beyond that, there are also people who want to ensure they have all the information, so wait until Election Day, to be aware of any "surprises" that may leak out during the last week of campaigns and ensure they know as much as possible about the various candidates.

 

[Aldebaran]

I've had long lines a couple of times during Early voting, even going in the early afternoon (an hour or longer). This seems doubly true since there are a very limited number of early voting locations, so they can easily get overwhelmed.

Beyond that, there are also people who want to ensure they have all the information, so wait until Election Day, to be aware of any "surprises" that may leak out during the last week of campaigns and ensure they know as much as possible about the various candidates.

People should be used to the idea that they might have to stand in line for awhile. It happens at grocery stores, amusement parks, ball games, the DMV, and pretty much everywhere else. All the whining about it on election day is disingenuous.

 

[KCfromNC]

If they really thought the lines were going to be too long, what stopped them from early voting, which gives them weeks of time in advance?

Some of the voting location and times targeted by the GOP were early voting.

But that is just a distraction from evidence which shows that it is possible to disenfranchise certain groups more than others by reducing opportunities to vote. In fact, proposing ways to work around those attempts at voter suppression highlight that it is an issue that need to be solved. The question then becomes why GOP legislators would make changes which create this problem, and do so in ways which target minority voters.

 

[SimplyMe]

People should be used to the idea that they might have to stand in line for awhile. It happens at grocery stores, amusement parks, ball games, the DMV, and pretty much everywhere else. All the whining about it on election day is disingenuous.

I can't agree with this. Voting is a Constitutionally protected right and there are already very limited hours that people can vote -- typically less than 12 hours of a single day. Considering the majority of the people work 8 hours out of those days, not to include the time spent in transportation to and from work and/or the voting location, that further cuts down the time available that people can vote. And that isn't counting if they have other obligations on that day.

If people are going to the grocery store, an amusement park, ball games, etc; those places have long hours and plenty of dates when they are open and can go. And if they can't make it on a particular date, it doesn't stop them from participating in a Constitutionally protected activity. While you can argue that we shouldn't have the same lines at things like the DMV, and many states have been cutting hours, the fact remains they are open most weekdays (other than holidays) all year long. The comparisons don't match.

I'm sorry, there should be no to minimal lines when it comes to voting.

 

[Aldebaran]

I can't agree with this. Voting is a Constitutionally protected right and there are already very limited hours that people can vote -- typically less than 12 hours of a single day. Considering the majority of the people work 8 hours out of those days, not to include the time spent in transportation to and from work and/or the voting location, that further cuts down the time available that people can vote. And that isn't counting if they have other obligations on that day.

There are quite a few constitutional rights that aren't always free or convenient to exercise. Voting early or standing in line is not an infringement.

If people are going to the grocery store, an amusement park, ball games, etc; those places have long hours and plenty of dates when they are open and can go. And if they can't make it on a particular date, it doesn't stop them from participating in a Constitutionally protected activity. While you can argue that we shouldn't have the same lines at things like the DMV, and many states have been cutting hours, the fact remains they are open most weekdays (other than holidays) all year long. The comparisons don't match.

And yet, you buy a ticket to be at an amusement park and pay to park your car so you can go on rides, not stand in lines.
Voting now goes on for weeks at least. It's not simply "election day" anymore. It's "election month", and you guys still complain.

I'm sorry, there should be no to minimal lines when it comes to voting.

Well, we all love convenience and instant gratification, don't we? But those things aren't guaranteed by anyone of than fast-food joints.

 

[FreeinChrist]

There are quite a few constitutional rights that aren't always free or convenient to exercise. Voting early or standing in line is not an infringement.



And yet, you buy a ticket to be at an amusement park and pay to park your car so you can go on rides, not stand in lines.
Voting now goes on for weeks at least. It's not simply "election day" anymore. It's "election month", and you guys still complain.



Well, we all love convenience and instant gratification, don't we? But those things aren't guaranteed by anyone of than fast-food joints.

I believe that if a certain counties, which are predominantly non-white, have way longer lines that predominantly white counties - there is suppression. Standing in a line is expected. Waiting 3 -6 - 10 hours long in a line is an indication that there are too few polling places, or increased equipment problems.