Did Jesus have our sinful nature?

[chris4243]

The Bible says that Jesus was tempted in every ways just as we are. Since having sinful tendencies makes it harder to avoid sin, does this mean that Jesus had our sinful nature, or that He wasn't tempted as severely as we are?

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

 

[hedrick]

I think a fairly traditional position would say that the Fall didn't really give us a different sort of nature. It just corrupted it. Hence Jesus has the same kind of nature that we do, but in its original, uncorrupted form. I think this is part of what Paul means by calling him a second Adam.

However this is as much a philosophical issue as a Biblical one. The Bible doesn't use "nature" as a technical term, the way many theologies do. It's clear that Paul, e.g., sees us as corrupted by the Fall, and he sees Jesus as not corrupted, and the source of renewal for us. But whether you call that the name nature in uncorrupted form or a different nature is largely a matter of the definition of "nature."

 

[holyrokker]

Jesus had no "sinful nature".

No one is born that way.

 

[Dok]

...........have a sinful nature. He was not pre-disposed to sin. No power on earth, no devil, could have compelled Him to sin. Tempt? Yes. He even entertained the thought? Never!

 

[chris4243]

No power on earth, no devil, could have compelled Him to sin. Tempt? Yes. He even entertained the thought? Never!

So then what was the point in tempting Him, if He is entirely unaffected by the temptation?

 

[gsheph]

EDIT: Misread a post and don't know how to delete my post :/

 

[patience7]

The Bible says that Jesus was tempted in every ways just as we are. Since having sinful tendencies makes it harder to avoid sin, does this mean that Jesus had our sinful nature, or that He wasn't tempted as severely as we are?

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The law could not make us righteous through the commandments of the"flesh" - do this, don't do that - but by being the perfect Lamb, remaining sinless even though in the flesh, bringing righteousness to us through the new birth whereas we can walk after the new spirit within us and not after the flesh having the righteousness of God through the spirit dwelling within us and not "self righteousness" by the works of the flesh.

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

He is able to assist us, to strengthen us because he understands our temptations and provides a way out of temptation. (1 Co. 10:13) Jesus was set as our example. (1 Peter 2:21,22)

 

[drjean]

The Bible says that Jesus was tempted in every ways just as we are. Since having sinful tendencies makes it harder to avoid sin, does this mean that Jesus had our sinful nature, or that He wasn't tempted as severely as we are?

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

Hi.
First let me say that being tempted is not sin. Giving in to sinful temptations is wrong.

Next, Christ did not have our sinful Adamic nature because he did not have any human blood in Him. The blood comes from the line of the father, and in this case, God the Holy Spirit, God the Father.

(Think about how this is true, as when in humans when the mother's blood type is different than the father's there is a problem with the birth especially, because the baby has the father's blood type.)

Be well.

 

[holyrokker]

The blood comes from the line of the father, and in this case, God the Holy Spirit, God the Father.

(Think about how this is true, as when in humans when the mother's blood type is different than the father's there is a problem with the birth especially, because the baby has the father's blood type.)

That's simply not true. Ask your doctor next time you see him/her.

 

[holyrokker]

Christ did not have our sinful Adamic nature because he did not have any human blood in Him.

How did you come up with this idea?

 

[Girder of Loins]

Spirit is different then flesh, obviously. If the Holy Spirit(a spirit being) impregnated Mary(flesh being), I would say the Spirit of the LORD was part of Jesus, making him 100% spirit, but had man-like flesh, making him 100% flesh. What Hebrews 4:15 is talking about, though, is the temptations were the same as ours, not Jesus being the same as us(although in a way he was).

 

[Merlinius]

Yes of course Jesus inherited His sin nature to be tempted from His mother Mary.

That was the way in which He could overcome and conquer it, first in Himself, now in us

(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Girder of Loins]

Yes of course Jesus inherited His sin nature to be tempted from His mother Mary.

That was the way in which He could overcome and conquer it, first in Himself, now in us

(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

(Php 1:6) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 2:14 says nothing of a spirit. It only talks of flesh and blood.

Php 1:6 has nothing to do with Jesus having a sin nature. If He had been given a sin nature, His death would be for nothing as He would have already sinned. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

 

[Merlinius]

Hebrews 2:14 says nothing of a spirit. It only talks of flesh and blood.

Php 1:6 has nothing to do with Jesus having a sin nature. If He had been given a sin nature, His death would be for nothing as He would have already sinned. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Oh, well, was hoping for an intelligent response. bye.

 

[Girder of Loins]

Oh, well, was hoping for an intelligent response. bye.

Okay, troll. Mind telling me why it wasn't "intelligent"? Don't just go around throwing assertions and immediately dismissing another's opinions as unintelligent. Give reasons, please. This is a debate forum, not a mud-flinging contest.

 

[teagranny]

If Jesus were 'wholly' God on earth He would have been incabable of sinning, the devil would have been quite aware of this.
Since the devil did indeed tempt Him I believe Jesus was cabable of sinning but never did, by deed or by thought.

By believing Jesus had human nature, (whatever one believes nature to be) to me, in no way brings Him down or lessens Him in any way.
In fact, quite the opposite, He proved that it was possible to live the the Spirit and not sin.
Hurray for Jesus!

 

[St_Worm2]

Christ did not have our sinful Adamic nature because he did not have any human blood in Him. The blood comes from the line of the father, and in this case, God the Holy Spirit, God the Father.

OK, I'll bite, if Christ didn't have human blood flowing through His veins, what did He have, the 'milk of human kindness'?

 

[Theofane]

Did Jesus have our sinful nature?

No, because He was of divine parentage.

Had Jesus been born from the union of man and woman just like everyone else. Eventually, the slow attrition of sin would have destroyed His goodness and He would have been just another sinful man.

 

[Theofane]

Jesus had no "sinful nature".

No one is born that way.

Everyone is born that way. If no one inheritated original sin from their forefathers, no one would need a Saviour.

 

[chris4243]

Did Jesus have our sinful nature?

(please correct me if I got anything wrong)

hedrick -- no (thinks our nature is corrupt and Jesus has the original uncorrupted one)
holyrokker -- no sinful nature for Jesus (thinks we're not born that way either)
Dik -- no, very much no
patience7 -- yes (quotes scripture)
drjean -- no (thinks blood type is inherited from father not mother and our blood type makes us sinful?)
Girder of Loins -- no? (seems to equate sin nature with having committed sin?)
Mernlinious -- yes (quotes scripture)
teagranny -- yes
Theophane -- no (thinks having a sinful nature inevitably results in sin)

6 (66%) say no
3 (33%) say yes
twice as many said no as yes, but 100 % of people who quoted scripture in their reply said yes.
a lot of people who said no seem to equate sinful nature with committing sin, either the same thing or an inevitable consequence