Did Jesus create evolution?

[AV1611VET]

This forum should be renamed Creation & Evolution & Make Up Stories forum.

Nope.

Creation & Make Up Stories

 

[Kylie]

I don't recall saying that?

Then why would their expertise in one field mean that they must be correct in another field?

I know an electrician who is very skilled at being an electrician, but that doesn't mean he has any skill in non-electrical fields.

 

[Lost Witness]

Then why would their expertise in one field mean that they must be correct in another field?

I know an electrician who is very skilled at being an electrician, but that doesn't mean he has any skill in non-electrical fields.

a relationship with GOD isn't a field of Study, It's a relationship more intimate than the one a married couple might have

 

[Kylie]

a relationship with GOD isn't a field of Study, It's a relationship more intimate than the one a married couple might have

Then why did you give me the whole, "Scientists are believers, and they are smarter than you" argument?

 

[Kylie]

@J Mick please don't leave comments on my posts, since I have no way to actually reply to them. The staff have only given Christians the ability to leave such comments.

 

[Lost Witness]

Then why did you give me the whole, "Scientists are believers, and they are smarter than you" argument?

That's simply to illustrate the fact that science will never be able to provide whatever facts you keep seeking for GOD, Kylie.
These are the Last days, Kylie.
Seek him before it's too late.

 

[Kylie]

That's simply to illustrate the fact that science will never be able to provide whatever facts you keep seeking for GOD, Kylie.
These are the Last days, Kylie.
Seek him before it's too late.

So God is unfalsifiable.

There's no reason to accept anything if it is unfalsifiable.

 

[dlamberth]

What changes of the earth "directly" and "over time" are you talking of? It's interesting how people will dispute the bible because no one living now was "there", despite there being historical evidence, but they won't dispute a theory of an old earth even though they themselves "weren't there". As far as I see it, the bible was never meant to prove anything. It's simply a historical narrative of the relationship between God and man. All through it we see behavioural patterns and the consequences of sin (following our human will instead of Gods will).

But none-the-less, people reject it in favour of observational science and try to get Chris to prove that their God is real based on a criteria that could never prove God exists through a method such as theirs. Even without the concept of God to begin with, they couldn't figure out the origin of the universe anyway, so why not accept that they just don't know? Christians don't have to "prove" anything to atheists as they understand supernatural things and are not limited to thinking only of the physical realm of existence as absolute.

I'm not an atheist.

In my geological experience here in the Pacific North West, it's very clear that the earth is very old. There are way too many examples to pull from. I kind of think that you would have to talk to the Earth and ask why she disputes the Bible narrative of a young earth.

 

[Lost Witness]

So God is unfalsifiable.

There's no reason to accept anything if it is unfalsifiable.

You'd rather take a risk on Hell, Kylie?

 

[Lost Witness]

I'm not an atheist.

In my geological experience here in the Pacific North West, it's very clear that the earth is very old. There are way too many examples to pull from. I kind of think that you would have to talk to the Earth and ask why she disputes the Bible narrative of a young earth.

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."

 

[Kylie]

You'd rather take a risk on Hell, Kylie?

Do you understand what that sounds like to me?

It's like if I assured you that Hinduism was correct, and when you said you didn't believe me, I said, "Are you willing to take a risk on Naraka?"

Pascal's Wager is a very weak argument.

 

[Lost Witness]

Do you understand what that sounds like to me?

It's like if I assured you that Hinduism was correct, and when you said you didn't believe me, I said, "Are you willing to take a risk on Naraka?"

Pascal's Wager is a very weak argument.

That's a view of someone who DOESN'T believe in GOD

 

[All Becomes New]

I consider something to be valid evidence if:

1. It is not based on a logical fallacy
2. It can be tested and has withstood that testing.

With regards to the Kalam cosmological argument, it is built on an assumption (that whatever begins to exist must have a cause) when this is just an argument from incredulity. "I can't comprehend how something could begin to exist without having a cause, therefore it doesn't happen." In any case, this claim really only can be said to apply in cases where our current laws of nature apply, and there's no evidence that this was the case at the Big Bang. In fact, what we understand of quantum level events indicates that our current laws of nature break down at that kind of scale. The argument also assumes that the universe began to exist, when the only thing we know is that it began to exist in its current form. The universe could have existed in some different state prior to the Big Bang (in whatever sense the word "prior" can be said to apply), and so the argument may not even need to apply. So, the Kalam cosmological argument fails on point one. It also fails on point two, since it is inherently untestable.

Sure. It's just if you deny the Kalam you are left with absurdities.

 

[Kylie]

Sure. It's just if you deny the Kalam you are left with absurdities.

Explain how.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Ah, but I don't claim there is no God. There could well be. And I challenge you to find any point where I have said, "I claim that God does not exist."

I rise to that challenge on J's behalf.

You have said outright you're an atheist. Here's the definition of the term.

atheist
noun
1) One who denies the existence of God, or of a supreme intelligent being.
2) A godless man; one who disregards his duty to God.
3) One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.

Also, you seem to not acknowledge your very own words...it's becoming quite a trend.

#2860
"Or maybe it was because he wasn't there to begin with."

#2880
"It's not God given at all, because I don't believe he exists."

#2997
"I see your God the same way you see Zeus. Nonexistant."

 

[Kylie]

That's a view of someone who DOESN'T believe in GOD

That's the view of someone who DOESN'T believe in BRAHMA.

 

[Lost Witness]

That's the view of someone who DOESN'T believe in BRAHMA.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

 

[All Becomes New]

Explain how.

You believe the pre-existing universe just woke up on a Tuesday morning and decided, "Yeah, this seems like the right time."

 

[dlamberth]

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."

I'm talking about the geology of the Earth. For instance, one of the geological features here in the Northwest are the basalt flows that in some places are 3 miles deep. And in others that basalt flowed for 300 miles. And in others areas there are over 300 layers. All of that basalt erupted during a million year span 16 million years ago.

 

[Lost Witness]

I'm talking about the geology of the Earth. For instance, one of the geological features here in the Northwest are the basalt flows that in some places are 3 miles deep. And in others that basalt flowed for 300 miles. And in others areas there are over 300 layers. All of that basalt erupted during a million year span 16 million years ago.

all of that's according to worldly knowledge,
I'll stand by the Bible