Did Jesus claim Divinity?

[scriptures]

I'm well aware majority means little where truth is concerned; namely in Christianity - the issue is WHEN the majority held that view and WHO held it. That's where you have trouble w/ anti trinitarianism.

The truth is, the Bible outright makes the statements obvious - the people confirm it by their actions of trying to stone Jesus for blasphemy.
Since this is the case, and since Jesus never once made the denial (nothing written to correct their "wrong" perception of His statements), then you have a serious problem w/ your Bible being truth (according to your belief). It teaches heresy without Jesus denying He's God according to the people's understanding of His claims.

He's statement was .....

(Joh 10:36 LITV) do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am Son of God?

and he don't usually correct blind people......

 

[scriptures]

How you are trying to misrepresent the Bible is illogical to me. Red herring.

I am not misrepresenting.... unless you dont't agree with Peter....

(Mat 16:16 LITV) And answering, Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[scriptures]

Do you know what "Son Of" means in ancient language & custom?
It's a title. Son of means "of the order of" _________ [the father's name].

1 Kings 20:35 - sons of the prophets (of the order of the prophets)
Neh 12:28 Sons of the singers (of the order of singers)

Son of God meant "of the order of God Himself" and represents a direct claim of deity.

The Jews rightly understood this term and considered Him to be blaspheming

Again, Jesus is God by nature.
WE are of God by ADOPTION (thru Christ).

Nice try.... What I do understand is ...

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Luk 3:38 LITV) son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

And Adam was not God himself....

 

[Nadiine]

I am not misrepresenting.... unless you dont't agree with Peter....

We're defining the terms & titles.
We agree with Peter and all the rest of the Bible.

People claim "GOD" too don't they? Now define which God and you'll soon find out you aren't talking about the same God - it goes past terms & titles into the details of who you are describing.

Oprah talks about God too... only her definition of God is not near the same as mine! (or any Christian's). As a Christian, I reject her god.

Sure, Jesus is the Son of God.... but who is He? Who did HE claim to be?
I won't call Christ a liar by refuting what He's claimed about Himself.
And He says that if we don't believe that, we die in our sins:
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

"He" is added in by translators there, in Greek it literally reads:
"If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins".
It's a claim of Deity; God claimed His name was "I AM" to Moses in Genesis & that's the name all Jews knew God by.

Jesus purposely used that wording - the Jews would recognize it immediately.

 

[scriptures]

Nice try to redirect . . . but I suppose that is what one gets when logic and Scripture cannot be refuted (yawn).

BTW, Trinitarians don't believ God has three personalities . . . that would be schizophrenia. It is three PERSONS . . . not personalities.

That's the same.... 3 persons = 3 personalities......and three persons can't be one God.... nowhere my friend.....

 

[scriptures]

We're defining the terms & titles.
We agree with Peter and all the rest of the Bible.

People claim "GOD" too don't they? Now define which God and you'll soon find out you aren't talking about the same God - it goes past terms & titles into the details of who you are describing.

Oprah talks about God too... only her definition of God is not near the same as mine! (or any Christian's). As a Christian, I reject her god.

Sure, Jesus is the Son of God.... but who is He? Who did HE claim to be?
I won't call Christ a liar by refuting what He's claimed about Himself.
And He says that if we don't believe that, we die in our sins:
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

"He" is added in by translators there, in Greek it literally reads:
"If you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins".
It's a claim of Deity; God claimed His name was "I AM" to Moses in Genesis & that's the name all Jews knew God by.

Jesus purposely used that wording - the Jews would recognize it immediately.

But Peter did not say Jesus is God himself....no human definitions can wrong that.....

 

[Nadiine]

Nice try.... What I do understand is ...

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And Adam was not God himself....

Christ has no HUMAN father - He's born of a virgin - no male sperm involved.

Jesus is also creator OF ALL THINGS.

So you have another problem - He can't be only human, he has no male biological father to have 2 human parents.
And ALL who are literally from Adam have the sin nature. Christ does not. (for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God).

Jesus also created ALL things - are you claiming He created Himself.... And the Father certainly didn't "SIRE" Christ as if He had sexual intercourse w/ any female to create Christ.

Christ was eternal - He BECAME FLESH for His mission of shedding blood on the cross. The Holy Spirit implanted the seed of Christ in Mary - she physically gave birth to Christ.

GOD [who alone is sinless], came to earth as a human to suffer and take our place for atonement of our souls.
Very simple yet profound and monumental.

 

[scriptures]

I suggest that you study the ancient usage of "son" in the connection with the "father" . . . esp in Hebraic thought.

Sons and fathers were often NOT EVEN RELATED . . . they were only given this TITLE to refer to PURPOSE not ONTOLOGY.

Subordinate and distinction does not mean that they are not equal dude. Same in marriage. I am my wife's equal in everyway . . . yet God has called me to be the head of my home . . . there is NOT ontological difference between her and I. You have made a false dichotomy.

Similiarly, distinction does not necessitate SEPARATION. My pointer finger is distinct from my ring finger . . . yet still a finger . . . my right hand is distinct from my wrist . . . yet still a part of my arm . . . my head is distinct from my belly . . . yet still a part of my body.

You have created a false dichotomy. NOT ONE OF YOUR ASSERTIONS REFUTES TRINITY. Sorry.

That's another wrong statement... my wife and me are one flesh but different beings.... I am the head of the family, bigger and stronger....

Just like YHWH and Jesus are distinct beings... the Father is God to Jesus....

 

[scriptures]

Christ has no HUMAN father - He's born of a virgin - no male sperm involved.

Jesus is also creator OF ALL THINGS.

So you have another problem - He can't be only human, he has no male biological father to have 2 human parents.
And ALL who are literally from Adam have the sin nature. Christ does not. (for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God).

Jesus also created ALL things - are you claiming He created Himself.... And the Father certainly didn't "SIRE" Christ as if He had sexual intercourse w/ any female to create Christ.

Christ was eternal - He BECAME FLESH for His mission of shedding blood on the cross. The Holy Spirit implanted the seed of Christ in Mary - she physically gave birth to Christ.

GOD [who alone is sinless], came to earth as a human to suffer and take our place for atonement of our souls.
Very simple yet profound and monumental.

Your not getting the flow of the argument....

read again my friend....

(Luk 3:38 LITV) son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Good night.... I still have work tomorrow.... see you again....

 

[Nadiine]

That's another wrong statement... my wife and me are one flesh but different beings.... I am the head of the family, bigger and stronger....

Just like YHWH and Jesus are distinct beings... the Father is God to Jesus....

JESUS WAS IN HUMAN FORM WHEN THE STATEMENT WAS MADE.

AS a human being, He was rightly making the claim. It does NOT negate Christ being God as well.

And dont' ignore the facts of the terms used for "son of" in ancient times.
It's significant in this issue.

Human beings are not a "son of God" by being - but by adoption. We are not 'little gods' . Christ however, made the claim of Deity by nature.

 

[Nadiine]

Your not getting the flow of the argument....

read again my friend....

(Luk 3:38 LITV) son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Good night.... I still have work tomorrow.... see you again....

Here's what you're doing, taking 1 verse to SUBVERT ALL OTHER VERSES defining the terms used.

This 1 verse doesn't refute and usurp all the other verses; they ALL form the truth of the proper terms & titles.

You use this 1 verse to cancel out many others and that is causing your bible to be self refuting and heretical.
Why use it at all for any truth then?

If you don't combine it all, you'll be misinterpreting which is clearly the case here. The entire bible works to teach one truth in all its many facets. That is the case in the Trinity - Christ's true identity.

 

[Zebra1552]

I am not misrepresenting.... unless you dont't agree with Peter....

Another red herring. Either address the issue, or begone with you.

 

[Yekcidmij]

JESUS WAS IN HUMAN FORM WHEN THE STATEMENT WAS MADE.

AS a human being, He was rightly making the claim. It does NOT negate Christ being God as well.

And dont' ignore the facts of the terms used for "son of" in ancient times.
It's significant in this issue.

Human beings are not a "son of God" by being - but by adoption. We are not 'little gods' . Christ however, made the claim of Deity by nature.

The biblical reference to "son of God" is a kingly type of title. David, Solomon, and Israel were all refered to as God's son. The title "son of god" by itself does not mean "deity".

(cf: 2 Sam 7:14; Ex 4:22; Deut 8:5, 32:18-20; 1 Chr 17:13, 28:6; Ps 2:1-7, 89:20-37; Hos 11:1)

Now that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't God either, just that the title "son of God" doesn't automatically, or by itself, mean "deity". The context always helps determine what the author/speaker means as well.

 

[Gary51]

Did Jesus say he is a God?

Some say yes... Some say no....

If it went to a vote, the yeses would have it...

Therefore the marjority would be yeses, and would win the vote...

However, Is the majority always right?

 

[scriptures]

Human beings are not a "son of God" by being - but by adoption. We are not 'little gods' . Christ however, made the claim of Deity by nature.

read again my friend....

(Luk 3:38 LITV) son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

 

[scriptures]

The biblical reference to "son of God" is a kingly type of title. David, Solomon, and Israel were all refered to as God's son. The title "son of god" by itself does not mean "deity".

(cf: 2 Sam 7:14; Ex 4:22; Deut 8:5, 32:18-20; 1 Chr 17:13, 28:6; Ps 2:1-7, 89:20-37; Hos 11:1)

Now that doesn't mean Jesus wasn't God either, just that the title "son of God" doesn't automatically, or by itself, mean "deity". The context always helps determine what the author/speaker means as well.

Thanks!!!

 

[scriptures]

Here's what you're doing, taking 1 verse to SUBVERT ALL OTHER VERSES defining the terms used.

This 1 verse doesn't refute and usurp all the other verses; they ALL form the truth of the proper terms & titles.

You use this 1 verse to cancel out many others and that is causing your bible to be self refuting and heretical.
Why use it at all for any truth then?

If you don't combine it all, you'll be misinterpreting which is clearly the case here. The entire bible works to teach one truth in all its many facets. That is the case in the Trinity - Christ's true identity.

Correct!!!! that's why the Bible is correct all the way....

That Jesus is the son of God,

The Christ,

Servant of God,

Sent forth,

The Father is greater,

The Father is Jesus God, etc ....etc.....

all interrelating....

 

[Nadiine]

Correct!!!! that's why the Bible is correct all the way....

That Jesus is the son of God,

The Christ,

Servant of God,

Sent forth,

The Father is greater,

The Father is Jesus God, etc ....etc.....

all interrelating....

Yes!
and MIGHTY GOD, HO THEOS (THE GOD), YHWY OF HOSTS (armies)...
CREATOR OF ALL THINGS...

(you might have forgotten to add those by accident)

All of them when combined show us that there is 1 true God, consisting of 3 separate & distinct persons who all 3 perform the acts of God, AS GOD, in complete unity together.

 

[Gary51]

Jesus is more than just a son of God... He is the Only Begotten Son of God...

Lets not forget that...

Some say, eternally begotten, whatever that is supposed to mean... because I can't find the phrase, "Eternally Begotten" in scripture!

 

[PeacaHeaven]

Jesus is more than just a son of God... He is the Only Begotten Son of God...

Lets not forget that...

Some say, eternally begotten, whatever that is supposed to mean... because I can't find the phrase, "Eternally Begotten" in scripture!

I agree that he's God incarnate. He created everything.
I like the explanations people have given here that show his divinity.