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Did Jesus claim Divinity?
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Zebra1552
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When one is talking about the Trinity, it makes perfect sense.
Perhaps because I do not wish to have the older crowd fitting me into their stereotypes and giving me veiled insults on my age? Keep this civil.
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Actually, mathematically if you divide a circle in three you still have a circle which is now divided in three. You are NOT left with three wholes. The circle is the whole not the pieces.
Did you fall asleep in math?
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Actually, mathematically if you divide a circle in three you still have a circle which is now divided in three. You are NOT left with three wholes. The circle is the whole not the pieces.
Did you fall asleep in math?
Do you mean a hypothetical circle?
Once you devide the circle it can never go back to it's former condition... unless you can manipulate atoms!
Did you math teacher tell you 3=1.... LOL
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Problem is you are assuming the Trinitarian view of God as FINITE.
The 1+1+1=3 bit is a HUGE strawman. They assume that any of the 1's are finite . . . it ceases and therefore can be 1 (verses more than one) . . . IOW it has limits.
Problem is . . . GOD IS INFINITE.
A better equation is infinity + inifinty + infinity . . . which is INIFINITY.
That would be a better breakdown . . . it would more accurately reflect what we believe. Though I am sure that you will find a reason NOT to agree . . . at least now you can ACCURATELY reflect our position correctly . . . as I am sure you don't desire ignorance . . . (I think)
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When one is faced with having to accept illogic as Trinitarians must do, they invent their own logic.
What can I say, we have different God's, you have three and I have one... NO Stop... don't try to explain the circle again... because we will only end up going in circles.
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Do you mean a hypothetical circle?
Once you devide the circle it can never go back to it's former condition... unless you can manipulate atoms!
Did you math teacher tell you 3=1.... LOL
Or you can just use an eraser.
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Isn't this what we are arguing about? My point is that John 17:3 contradicts the idea of the Trinity.
Yes, if God is God then he is God.
because you say so? I don't see your argument.
Yes it is. Are you trying to say that the Father is not the only one who is the Father; Jesus and the HS are also the Father? It says The FATHER is the only true God.
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that there are two Jesus's that can talk to each other? This sort of dissection of Jesus into two consciouses has to be some sort of heresy. Look at the measures you have to take to attempt to keep your views in tact.
translation: God MUST have had a reason. You believe slashing pregnant bellies is moral because it's in the Bible. Fine. There is nothing more to debate. Just realize that this line of reasoning can be used to support any book that is claimed to be divinely inspired.
I'm pretty sure this would be considered a Trinitarian heresy...calling the Father a fraction of God.
I know. Maybe your interpretation of 17:3 is wrong. It is a MUCH clearer statement than 10:30, which you cite. Nowhere in 10:30 does Jesus claim to be God. Verse 17:22 will clear that up for you: "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that THEY MAY BE ONE, JUST AS WE ARE ONE"
The main point is that we need a starting point in which to interpret the handful of cryptic verses that Trinitarians rely on. I would argue that the starting point is that Yahweh, God the Father, is the only true God. This is so central to Jewish theology and there is no indication that such a radical disruption of this monotheism occurred. Again, look at Mark 12:29. Jesus is asked about the most important commandment. What does Jesus say? He perpetuates the core Jewish principle that God is one. If the Trinity were true why would Jesus perpetuate the traditional, core, monotheistic view of Judaism? I think this is very compelling.
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