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Did God write Genesis?

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Your scenario is irrelevant: there would be no trial because there would be no dead body. If the angel hadn't stopped Abraham's hand then God would've indeed resurrected Isaac to keep his earlier promise.
Suppose two people think God is telling them to kill their sons, because God will resurrect them. Amos does it, and his son resurrects a week later. Benny does it, and his son stay dead.

Is Benny guilty of murder? I say yes. Is Amos guilty of murder? I say yes also. He did the same thing as Benny.
 
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Suppose two people think God is telling them to kill their sons, because God will resurrect them. Amos does it, and his son resurrects a week later. Benny does it, and his son stay dead.

Is Benny guilty of murder? I say yes. Is Amos guilty of murder? I say yes also. He did the same thing as Benny.
I suppose you believe God kidnapped Enoch, don't you?

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
 
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Suppose two people think God is telling them to kill their sons, because God will resurrect them. Amos does it, and his son resurrects a week later. Benny does it, and his son stay dead.

Is Benny guilty of murder? I say yes. Is Amos guilty of murder? I say yes also. He did the same thing as Benny.
OK. But Isaac didn't die because God stopped Abraham's hand. So your scenario doesn't describe what happened in Genesis since no death occurred. Do you agree?
 
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Well... assuming that god exists and this message is THE message from him to mankind, then I'ld think that mere accuracy is its own reward here................

I mean, if it is THAT important that it is believed, at least make it believable and don't say things that are demonstrably incorrect.



The facts of reality. They always win over mere words.

What facts of reality?
 
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OK. But Isaac didn't die because God stopped Abraham's hand. So your scenario doesn't describe what happened in Genesis since no death occurred. Do you agree?
I was talking to someone who said it wasn't murder because Abraham was expecting his son to resurrect. I disagree. It is still murder.

Now to your question, nobody accused Abraham of killing Isaac. Abraham is being accused of setting out to kill his son. That is what is wrong.
 
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So what went wrong?
English, obviously. Could a few posters just be careful to look before commit so that we can understand what is being said. I now don't know if Abraham is supposed to be being accused or accursed and their is a big difference in that.

I no longer expect this thread to return to the matter of the OP.
 
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So what went wrong?
What went wrong? Abraham attempted to commit murder. At the last minute he stopped.

The problem is that he started the act of committing murder. He tied his son up and then raised his knife with the intention to kill his son. That is attempted murder.

I don't think Genesis was written by the God of the universe. The God of the universe would know it is not good to set out to commit murder.
 
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English, obviously. Could a few posters just be careful to look before commit so that we can understand what is being said. I now don't know if Abraham is supposed to be being accused or accursed and their is a big difference in that.

I no longer expect this thread to return to the matter of the OP.
If you were looking for polished English, by all means, look for a forum where they never make typos.
 
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If you were looking for polished English, by all means, look for a forum where they never make typos.
I know we all make typos, me especially, and we spell English differently, so we have a few challenges, but a little care for the readers might sometimes help. I don't expect polished English here - if I wanted that I would go to some of the Oxford parish church websites where they still care about sentence structure, punctuation and capitalisation. I still don't actually know what you meant because you have not edited the post to fix the typo. That is one of the things that CF does let you do. I am on another forum where you have five minutes from post to no more corrections. Your response reads as if you don't care what I understand you have written, which means it has ceased to be about communication.
 
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I know we all make typos, me especially, and we spell English differently, so we have a few challenges, but a little care for the readers might sometimes help. I don't expect polished English here - if I wanted that I would go to some of the Oxford parish church websites where they still care about sentence structure, punctuation and capitalisation. I still don't actually know what you meant because you have not edited the post to fix the typo. That is one of the things that CF does let you do. I am on another forum where you have five minutes from post to no more corrections. Your response reads as if you don't care what I understand you have written, which means it has ceased to be about communication.
Typo is now fixed. Are you happy?
 
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What went wrong? Abraham attempted to commit murder. At the last minute he stopped.
And I'm asking you: What went wrong?

Almighty God [allegedly] told Abraham to murder his son, yet later we see his son alive and well and having children -- twins no less!

So I ask you: What went wrong?
 
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Your response reads as if you don't care what I understand you have written, which means it has ceased to be about communication.
That's a sore spot with me too.

I'm not the best speller here, or grammar user, but I've seen the sciency types here failing to fix quote tags, while at the same time acting like we Plebeians are hoamskooled idjits.
 
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You have expressed the common interpretation of this story, It does not ring true for me. I continue to regard this story as one of the ugliest of the entire bible. If a grandfather today ordered his son to sacrifice his grandson and the father complied but was interrupted by a concerned citizen I wonder how the courts would regard it. It is interesting that the Bible records no further contact between Abraham and either Sarah or Issac.
Read the story of Abraham carefully. Gd made a promise to Abraham regarding his son BEFORE the incident in question. Therefore, Isaac's life was never in danger. Abraham was tested numerous times for obedience was the essence of his relationship with Gd. I believe that Abraham saw it for what it was-just another test and he new his Gd well enough to be sure of the outcome.
 
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What facts of reality?

Lightspeed and the visibility of stars.
Winter/summer cycles in ice cores.
Tree rings.
Radiometric dating.
Salt deposits beneath the mediteranian.
Geological formations like the grand canyon.
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That's a reasonably valid source of information.
How so? Hebrews was written centuries after Genesis. It may say that Abraham was expecting Isaac to be resurrected, but Genesis never states that. If you want to understand Genesis, I don't see how an interpretation thrown on it centuries later will be helpful.
 
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And I'm asking you: What went wrong?
What went wrong is that Abraham set out to kill his son. That is wrong.
So I ask you: What went wrong?
What went wrong is that Abraham set out to kill his son. That is wrong.
 
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How so? Hebrews was written centuries after Genesis. It may say that Abraham was expecting Isaac to be resurrected, but Genesis never states that. If you want to understand Genesis, I don't see how an interpretation thrown on it centuries later will be helpful.

Scholars have clues that the NT writers often reference texts that we don't currently have.
They have names for these various source documents that are not included in scripture.
 
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