Did God write Genesis?

[Kenny'sID]

No, I think not.

Then you are saying if one does not believe there is a God, that they can still genuinely claim God did this or that?

 

[doubtingmerle]

As a humanists, do you believe there is a God??

No

If not, wouldn't it stand to reason we already know your views on anything that may be claimed God did?

yes.

I wasn't asking to guess my view. I was asking for yours.

 

[JackRT]

Then you are saying if one does not believe there is a God, that they can still genuinely claim God did this or that?

You asked "If not, wouldn't it stand to reason we already know your views on anything that may be claimed God did?"

And I replied "No, I think not."

Which is to say that it does not stand to reason that already know their views.

 

[toLiJC]

Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

as many other biblical scriptures, Genesis is also full of special, spiritual terms, for example the plants can be the different (spheres of the) user(human) activity, "birds" can mean Angels/Spirits in "heaven", in the "sea" there can be another kind of spirits called "living creatures/whales", but you know that "heaven" is not the sky with clouds that every human can see with their physical eyes, the biblical "sea" is also not the physical one, but the so-called "underheaven"

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

why not in 144 hours?!, if God is mighty to do it, what can stop Him from doing it?!

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

why not through His prophets?!

Blessings

 

[Kenny'sID]

You asked "If not, wouldn't it stand to reason we already know your views on anything that may be claimed God did?"

And I replied "No, I think not."

Which is to say that it does not stand to reason that already know their views.

Not that I mind you answering, but I think the confusion lies with you putting yourself in to the mix on a question I asked of someone else.

Anyway, your post doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but I'll assume you disagree and that you feel, well, what i said. But I see the op agrees, so that's what I was really after.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No
yes.

OK, thanks.

I wasn't asking to guess my view. I was asking for yours

Let me explain.

I wasn't guessing, just being sure of how you felt before I got down to what I wanted to say. See, "humanist" doesn't tell us much, it really does just confuse things, and unless that is your purpose, you might want to just go with Atheist or whatever you consider yourself, it just makes things go smoother here when we know where people stand. But maybe you don't want that, so just a suggestion.

Now to my point, it makes no sense to me anyway, for you to ask others the question in the OP, other than it gives you the opportunity to try to convince Christians there are problems with their God, a God you don't even believe exists.

So, I can only conclude from all that, you don't want us to believe our God exists, and want to convince us otherwise. why? IDK? And that all leads to my point....not a very nice thing to do on a christian website and it would be very nice if those of you doing that would have a little consideration for others religion (freedom of religion and all), even if you do not believe in it.

 

[Moral Orel]

Now to my point, it makes no sense to me anyway, for you to ask others the question in the OP, other than it gives you the opportunity to try to convince Christians there are problems with their God, a God you don't even believe exists.

So, I can only conclude from all that, you don't want us to believe our God exists, and want to convince us otherwise. why? IDK? And that all leads to my point....not a very nice thing to do on a christian website and it would be very nice if those of you doing that would have a little consideration for others religion (freedom of religion and all), even if you do not believe in it.

Aww geez, man. I've seen plenty of Christians make the same claim, that humans wrote Genesis, so it doesn't have to be about "there is no God" it can just be "you're reading your Bible wrong". But second, this is the apologetics section that CF has set up for non-believers to challenge the existence of God, so if that was his intent, it's entirely appropriate and even invited to do so.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Aww geez, man. I've seen plenty of Christians make the same claim, that humans wrote Genesis, so it doesn't have to be about "there is no God" it can just be "you're reading your Bible wrong". But second, this is the apologetics section that CF has set up for non-believers to challenge the existence of God, so if that was his intent, it's entirely appropriate and even invited to do so.

I think you aren't seeing the big picture.

It's appropriate in some views, it's allowed/invited and I never claimed otherwise.

Are you saying my request was inappropriate? Wasn't a demand, I gave my reasoning for why I thought the request viable and followed through.

 

[Moral Orel]

I think you aren't seeing the big picture.

It's appropriate in some views, it's allowed/invited and I never claimed otherwise.

Are you saying my request was inappropriate? Wasn't a demand, I gave my reasoning for why I thought the request viable and followed through.

It was inappropriate to jump to the conclusion you did: he was trying to convince you God isn't real. And since he was polite, he hasn't done anything inconsiderate. Challenging the existence of God, which maybe he wasn't, isn't a "not very nice thing to do" in a place that Christians have invited the challenge. If he was being rude, and slinging ad hominems around you might have something.

 

[ewq1938]

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

All I know is that the author of Genesis is not identified in scripture. All suggested authors are simply opinions that have no evidence supporting the claim.

 

[doubtingmerle]

It was inappropriate to jump to the conclusion you did: he was trying to convince you God isn't real. And since he was polite, he hasn't done anything inconsiderate. Challenging the existence of God, which maybe he wasn't, isn't a "not very nice thing to do" in a place that Christians have invited the challenge. If he was being rude, and slinging ad hominems around you might have something.

You explained it well. Thanks.

We are here to discuss Christianity with those who are interested in the discussion from different viewpoints. Nobody is forcing people to read what is written here. There are other forums available if a person has other interests.

 

[rockytopva]

Genesis is the first book of Moses and the book was written for the primitive mind.

Before the big bang there dwelt God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and a host of angels. As three is a number of perfect union, so the angels existed in three groups...

1. Michael - Archangel over strong angels
2. Gabriel - Archangel over wise angels
3. Lucifer -Archangel over worshiping angels

Before the big bang things existed in eternity. There was no sense of time. I would imagine if you asked an angel about he timespan of things, and pertaining to the rebellion he would give you a strange look, as time was not a concept before earth. Also, as one day with the Lord is like a thousand years, things progress very fast in heaven. I would imagine that Abraham has a sense of being in heaven only a couple of days, even though he has been dead thousands of years.

If we could put a time on Lucifer's fall it would be about 15 billion years in earth's terms. Which is long for us... Short for the eternal beings. The creation of this universe is in response to Lucifer's rebellion.

Isaiah 14:12-13

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: - Revelation 12:4

I would imagine that ego swelled in Lucifer's heart as he would lead the worship, in so much that he thought to exalt himself above God the Father himself. There was also bound to have been political games with the other angels as he is called the 'accuser of the brethren.'

Revelation 12:7-10

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


After having enough of that Michael and his strong angels cast Lucifer and his third out of heaven. As in the beginning the earth was without form and void, they were cast out into the nothingness of our universe. I believe that the universe is about 15 billions years old and is the result and in response to Lucifer's rebellion.

If... E = mc2 ... Then m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

Therefore, for the big boom to have occurred the matter had to have been there before the light and energy (E/c2), as the scripture says...

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. - Genesis 1:2

I would imagine, with these words... 'Let there be light (Genesis 1:3)', that the earth (the mass) turned into energy and light (E/c2) and expanded out from a point of origin, turning into what solar systems the Father willed it to. So the plasma (E/c2) is actually mass that has changed state.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. - Genesis 1:4,5

I believe that 15 billion years took place between Genesis 1:3 and Genesis 1:4. God divided the light and the darkness by putting the earth in orbit around the sun thus creating the first day of the Earth's creation. But... The universe was created 15 billion years (give or take a few billion years) before that.

 

[ewq1938]

Genesis is the first book of Moses and the book was written for the primitive mind.

Any verse in scripture to support that?

 

[rockytopva]

Any verse in scripture to support that?

Saying that Moses was author of Genesis is also like saying Paul is author of Hebrews, in which neither claimed credit for the writings. The book of Genesis also ends centuries before Moses's death. So there may be some debate as to who the author was. I say primitive mind as Genesis was written so early in history.

 

[ewq1938]

Saying that Moses was author of Genesis is also like saying Paul is author of Hebrews, in which neither claimed credit for the writings.

So you admit there is no evidence that Moses wrote Genesis? If you say yes, then why do you ascribe the book to him in the other post?

 

[rockytopva]

So you admit there is no evidence that Moses wrote Genesis? If you say yes, then why do you ascribe the book to him in the other post?

I believe that Moses is the writer of the book of Genesis and is included in the Pentateuch, known as the first five books of Moses. While there are some verses in the Pentateuch that would appear to have been added by someone later than Moses, for example, Deuteronomy 34:5–8, which describes the death and burial of Moses, most if not all scholars attribute the majority of these books to Moses. Even if Joshua or someone else actually wrote the original manuscripts, the teaching and revelation can be traced from God through Moses. As for Genesis, I believe that it too is a book of Moses... However... This book could have been around before Moses... But Moses included it in the Pentateuch and therefore is a book of Moses, even though he may have copied it from an earlier source.

 

[Tree of Life]

Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

No one believes that God wrote Genesis. Genesis was written by Moses and inspired by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Winken]

Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

He did. Who else would provide the Spiritual insights? End of story.

 

[believeume]

Some claim that God wrote Genesis, but I think not. After all, Genesis tells us that plants were created before the sun, and birds were created before land animals. One would think the God of the universe would know it was the opposite.

And Genesis says it was all done in six days, or at least it can easily be interpreted as saying that. One would think the God of the universe would be more clear about the billions of years he spent on creation.

So no, I don't think God wrote Genesis. Do you?

No, just some tribal story spoken by an elder or chief to teach an important lesson about good and evil.

 

[believeume]

Genesis makes so many preposterous claims that the idea of a talking snake does not even crack the top ten. If an extant deity composed the book, and did so with full sincerity, then I would expect every scientist on earth to go mad.

To understand that story you need to see the simple equation that those people had about the detrimental effects of knowledge.

It sounds like a stupid story in the light of our current thinking, but our current thinking has been effected by the very thing those people warned us about.

We've lost the simple spiritual connections we had to our natural environment, and we have become dependant on the artificial rather than the natural.