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I can’t see how that possibly answers my question.I would think that a baby has to be born first, before it can start getting nourishment and growing from breast milk.
You could qualify it that way. But you’d need to remove Romans 10.Correct. I suppose we could qualify that to especially after we first repent/get saved/come to Him. Then we have His spirit, and so His word grows our faith.
Instead of trying to find the idea, how about taking the text at face value?The idea is that He wanted the folks in Israel to come to Him...to choose Him, and they refused and resisted. The idea is not that He gathers them like it or lump it!
He doesn't like to answer questions about the gospel.I can’t see how that possibly answers my question.
He doesn't like talking about that either, or Jesus...oh and he doesn't do expositions.Instead of trying to find the idea, how about taking the text at face value?
We have an early equivocation in the thread:
- God plans and ensures the Fall of man
- God allows man to fall even though he could have prevented it
Do you see that those are not the same thing? Similarly, I could create a robot to murder Julius Caesar or I could see Brutus on his way to murder Caesar and do nothing to prevent him. Those are different acts in both a philosophical and moral sense.
I said:
Why would there be any call is people were destined for hell regardless?You mean the General call of the Gospel.
Right.You do mean the Holy Spirit right?
Yes.I said:
That is what I am saying, but that does not keep humans from making limited autonomous free will choices?
and you said: "No."
I do not understand the "no" answer since it was not a yes and no question.
Do you feel God can know man's future and man can still make autonomous free will choices?
So, the faith growing thing comes after we are born again.I can’t see how that possibly answers my question.
Humbly asking as He commanded to receive His free gift is not works of righteousness.You could qualify it that way. But you’d need to remove Romans 10.
How about taking the picture Jesus gave us for what it is? He doesn't gather us hens against our will, hence, we see that the hens in former days also had a choice.Instead of trying to find the idea, how about taking the text at face value?
Dad we are all condemned according to Romans 5.Why would there be any call is people were destined for hell regardless?
That is why Jesus died, red. We now have a choice not to be condemned any more. That is what we call the gospel, or good news.Dad we are all condemned according to Romans 5.
Unless one who is dead in their trespasses is made alive in Christ.
You are the only one talking about sanctification. Everyone else is talking about regeneration and justification.So, the faith growing thing comes after we are born again.
Where are we commanded to ask to receive His free gift?Humbly asking as He commanded to receive His free gift is not works of righteousness.
The text doesn’t talk about gathering hens.How about taking the picture Jesus gave us for what it is? He doesn't gather us hens against our will, hence, we see that the hens in former days also had a choice.
Why is having a God given choice to reject Jesus or accept Him that results in our eternal fate something you do not seem to agree with???
For those who didn't know that Jesus offers anyone eternal life, anyone at all that chooses to come to Him, here is Scripture.
Rev 22:17b ...And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Yea, he doesn't like that. If you bring up the gospel he doesn't seem to have the patience. Not sure why.You are the only one talking about sanctification. Everyone else is talking about regeneration and justification.
You are the only one in this conversation that thinks God saves us against our will, you couldn't be more wrong. It's not that your will is meaningless, it just is not what saves you. You can't have a will that lines up with the will of God without being born again. Yes, at conversion you have some kind of a choice when it comes to believing what you heard. I've never encountered a Calvinist that denies that. You need a new will, a new heart, a new nature. It's called the gospel and new birth, surly you have heard of it.How about taking the picture Jesus gave us for what it is? He doesn't gather us hens against our will, hence, we see that the hens in former days also had a choice.
Why is having a God given choice to reject Jesus or accept Him that results in our eternal fate something you do not seem to agree with???
For those who didn't know that Jesus offers anyone eternal life, anyone at all that chooses to come to Him, here is Scripture.
Rev 22:17b ...And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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