Did God create germs , viruses and parasites ?

[Doctor.Sphinx]

The AMA illegall

"The AMA illegally shutting down legitimate medical businesses". How does that work ? I know a little about the law, and your statement doesn';t make any sense.

Here's one such example in Wikipedia. Not the example (or source) I really wanted, but there are plenty more. Just search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk_v._American_Medical_Ass'n

 

[Clint Edwards]

Here's one such example in Wikipedia. Not the example (or source) I really wanted, but there are plenty more. Just search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilk_v._American_Medical_Ass'n

Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Doing so is legal, not illegal. The AMA lost, they shut no one down. Your cited case lends no support to your argument.

 

[SkyWriting]

16 years ago I was taken to hospital bleeding from both ends. I was quickly diagnosed with bleeding ulcers. I thought that I would likely have part of my stomach removed and be on a strict diet for the rest of life. Not so. Five days later I walked out completely cured. The following year an unknown doctor working out of a small hospital in Australia was given the Nobel Prize in medicine.

And those two events are related?

 

[SkyWriting]

How parasite eating eyeball can be called "very good " by God on day 7 ?

Man was removed from the Garden Paradise and not allowed back in.
This is not that place.

 

[SkyWriting]

You could answer him that it was due to God cursing the earth after Adam sin but what did parasites eat before the fall ? Were there germs on everything before fall ? Are germs animals ?

Adam was living without death before the fall. Germs and animals are not people.

 

[Chinchilla]

Adam was living without death before the fall. Germs and animals are not people.

So were animals eating each other prior to the fall ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So were animals eating each other prior to the fall ?

Of course not. Possibly not even until after the world wide flood.

 

[Chinchilla]

Of course not. Possibly not even until after the world wide flood.

Would you say that fear of God which God put in animals after Noah went out of ark caused them to not only fear man but to fear each other and change thier oryginal behaviour ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Would you say that fear of God which God put in animals after Noah went out of ark caused them to not only fear man but to fear each other and change thier oryginal behaviour ?

I think that if animals did not fear carnal man that either the animals would have been wiped out a lot faster than they were so far,
or man would have been killed/wiped out? by the animals.

Remember in the Promised Land when God's People arrived there,
He did not give them victory over the enemies in the Land too fast, as stated, so that the wild animals would not be a problem. (I forget the exact words used).

God is perfectly accomplishing His Plan in every detail, from Creation , to Armageddon,
and this includes every insect, microbe, molecule, elephant, buffalo, whale, as well as
every man, woman and child with every plan and dream and hope everyone may ever have had
as written: God causes everything to work together for good
(everything good , bad, pretty, ugly , big, small, alive, dead)
for those who love God and are called according to His Purpose.

God created everything simple. Man came up with many devices ("instead of Christ", "instead of God's Way") ... ... ... ...

 

[JackRT]

So were animals eating each other prior to the fall ?

Of course they were for hundreds of millions, possibly even several billions of years. The law of life is survival ---- eat or be eaten.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Anyone can sue anybody for anything. Doing so is legal, not illegal. The AMA lost, they shut no one down. Your cited case lends no support to your argument.

Here you are, because it seems you missed it.
"On September 25, 1987, Getzendanner issued her opinion that the AMA had violated Section 1, but not 2, of the Sherman Act, and that it had engaged in an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade "to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession."

The AMA engages in unlawful (read: illegal) activities against those that threaten the healthcare industry in a large way, by providing cures, rather than treatments. The example cited is one such case that supports my argument.

 

[RDKirk]

They exist because God maintains their existence. If God didn't they would seize to exist. He is the source of all that is.

Agreed, everything and everyone that exists--whether material or spiritual-- continues to exist only because God continually wills it to exist.

If God ceased willing the existence of anything or anyone, not only would that thing or person cease to exist in that moment, but will not have ever existed at all.

 

[Chinchilla]

Agreed, everything and everyone that exists--whether material or spiritual-- continues to exist only because God continually wills it to exist.

If God ceased willing the existence of anything or anyone, not only would that thing or person cease to exist in that moment, but will not have ever existed at all.

I don't think that God could do that to us . He would be lier and murderer at least . Lier because he promised us eternal life and murderer because he killed something innocent made of God .

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think that God could do that to us . He would be lier and murderer at least . Lier because he promised us eternal life and murderer because he killed something innocent made of God .

I'm presuming by "us" and "eternal life" you're talking about Christians, but nobody is talking about God ceasing to will Christians to exist.

 

[Tayla]

Couldn't God just not create parasites which live inside of eyeball or in brain slowly eating it from inside ?

God did not create anything bad, or anything which harms any created creature. These are a result of Adam inviting Satan's influence into the world.

I agree, I have never heard a good explanation concerning the various creatures which harm others, about how they came to be. Perhaps they were originally benevolent creatures which morphed into their current forms for via some sort of cancerous change resulting from Satan's influence? Perhaps previously God protected creatures from such things happening, but removed his protective grace allowing Satan to influence the physical realm in a way not possible before the fall?

 

[Eloy Craft]

I agree, I have never heard a good explanation concerning the various creatures which harm others, about how they came to be.

God did it

Romans 8
20 for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

It doesn't seem reasonable that the cause of the subjugation of creation is the fall of man since it would be a tragedy rather than something done in hope. God did it for a reason. A purpose.

21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

When man fell creation didn't begin to operate differently. No, man's bond with creation was broken. Man is the pinnacle of creation. Creation prepared a place especially for human life, it's steward. Creation's steward and even more. God ordered creation in a way that man would be it's act of divine love lifting it up with himself to it's ultimate end in abundant perfected life. Creation still waits for us to rescue it from it's bondage.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

QUOTE="Doctor.Sphinx, post: 72914460, member: 404760"]Here you are, because it seems you missed it.
"On September 25, 1987, Getzendanner issued her opinion that the AMA had violated Section 1, but not 2, of the Sherman Act, and that it had engaged in an unlawful conspiracy in restraint of trade "to contain and eliminate the chiropractic profession."

The AMA engages in unlawful (read: illegal) activities against those that threaten the healthcare industry in a large way, by providing cures, rather than treatments. The example cited is one such case that supports my argument.[/QUOTE
============================
I think worldwide, legally, the gestapo tactics of the codex laws that the one world system requires of every nation
is the most harmful to people everywhere, like the AMA was exposed for doing on 09/25/87 .....
the power behind the codex laws are much much bigger than the usa government, russia, and china combined.

 

[Job 33:6]

Somebody who does not believe God from the Bible made argument that "why would loving God of the Bible create parasite which is living inside eyeball ? "

You could answer him that it was due to God cursing the earth after Adam sin but what did parasites eat before the fall ? Were there germs on everything before fall ? Are germs animals ?

Couldn't God just not create parasites which live inside of eyeball or in brain slowly eating it from inside ?

What did Cymothoa exigua eat before fall ?

What did these larva eat before the curse ? They feed of blood and live in muscles .

Did Noah take germs,viruses and parasites with him on ark ?
Do you think that when Jesus returns he will remove these germs , viruses and parasites ?

I understand that there are useful germs which help for example termite gut microbes . Were all germs helpfull before fall ?
How parasite eating eyeball can be called "very good " by God on day 7 ?

I know this response will be different from others here,

But of course the simple answer is that these organisms have already existed.

Many living animals have digestive systems designed for consumption of meat, such as the tiger, or a lion. Animals like sharks have sharp serrated teeth, almost like knives that saw through meat.

Someone earlier in this topic said soimething like "animals did not consume energy before the flood because they were not worried about dying". However, these animals always had things like sharp claws and powerful muscles for hunting. They always had sharp saw like teeth. They always had digestive systems (unless you believe that these animals didnt even have an anus). They always had tongues, which for many animals are used to moisten and break up food before they eat it.

God would not have created life with all of the above features, but simultaneously have them not use the traits that He had given them.

The truth is that death, parasites and violence has existed long before mankind ever walked on earth.

 

[Chinchilla]

I know this response will be different from others here,

But of course the simple answer is that these organisms have already existed.

Many living animals have digestive systems designed for consumption of meat, such as the tiger, or a lion. Animals like sharks have sharp serrated teeth, almost like knives that saw through meat.

Someone earlier in this topic said soimething like "animals did not consume energy before the flood because they were not worried about dying". However, these animals always had things like sharp claws and powerful muscles for hunting. They always had sharp saw like teeth. They always had digestive systems (unless you believe that these animals didnt even have an anus). They always had tongues, which for many animals are used to moisten and break up food before they eat it.

God would not have created life with all of the above features, but simultaneously have them not use the traits that He had given them.

The truth is that death, parasites and violence has existed long before mankind ever walked on earth.

That would be death and pain before Sin .

 

[Job 33:6]

That would be death and pain before Sin .

I believe that, the story of Adam and Eve, is a description of when people gained knowledge of sin, and gained knowledge or the world around them. Not necessarily a time in which sin came into existence, but rather a time in which Adam and Eve and all of mankind, gained self awareness and awareness of sin.