Did God Create Fossils?

[daleksteve]

If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?

No.

The young earth view is wrong. i don't believe god would make the earth look older by making fossils and decive us.

Fossils are proof that the earth is billions of years old.

 

[Colter]

Untrue, and unscriptural.

Amos 3:7 Indeed, the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing His counsel to His servants the prophets.

If a teaching or doctrine is not verified in the OT it is not a scripturally sound teaching.

Messiah says himself Matthew 5:17 "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

The Greek word translated as fulfill is pleroo. Strong's defines it as: to carry into effect, bring to realization, realize; α. of matters of duty, to perform, execute.

A modern understanding of what Messiah is saying here is as follows;
Matthew 5:17"Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to carry into effect the Law so as to perform it as it should be. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter[a] or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished as prophesied by the prophets.

You are trying to present that G-d has changed when scripture declares he has not changed.

Furthermore, the new covenant is CLEARLY shown by the prophets IN the Old Testament.

There is a reason that G-d says in Revelations "Come out of her MY PEOPLE...."

I didn't say God changed, mans understanding of God is what changes. In one age they were taught that God was responsible for numbering the Jews. In another age the same story has Satan as responsible. It was man that changed his beliefs about the same event. There i"are lots of those sorts of contradictions in the scripture because man write them. It is to be expected.

 

[seeking633]

Dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible as the first remains were found in the 1800s.

Actually, Rose. there is at least one verse in Job 40 which is used to posit the idea that dinosaurs existed alongside Biblical man.

 

[daleksteve]

I would not define that as "evidence." It is a scripture regarding the Antichrist, and there is no mention here about him creating fossils deep beneath the earth. Believing in fossils doesn't make you an atheist: There are many Christians who see the fossil record as being put in place by the flood, as do I.

Fossil records existed before the flood. The biblical flood would have been what roughly 4,000 years ago. Fossils take thousands andt housands of years to form

To believe in fossils doesn't require you to believe they are millions of years old. I'm a young earth creationist, yet I don't believe they were created by satan.

Science says they are billions of years old. Lack of DNA. it would take around 100,000 years for all the DNA in a sample to decay to undetectable levels. That would imply that the flood was at least 100,000 years ago.

 

[Winter_Rose]

Actually, Rose. there is at least one verse in Job 40 which is used to posit the idea that dinosaurs existed alongside Biblical man.

I've just had a read through it. It does sound possible. But why don't we find human bones around dinosaur bones? That bit puzzles me.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I like fossils and I find them interesting. There's nothing bad about them.

You'll like me then. I'm becoming a fossil.

 

[daleksteve]

Actually, Rose. there is at least one verse in Job 40 which is used to posit the idea that dinosaurs existed alongside Biblical man.

I've just had a read through it. It does sound possible. But why don't we find human bones around dinosaur bones? That bit puzzles me.

The lizards in Job were probally not Dinosaurs. They could have have been any large lizard like a komodo dragon that exist today.

 

[Winter_Rose]

The lizards in Job were probally not Dinosaurs. They could have have been any large lizard like a komodo dragon that exist today.

That's a possibility.

 

[AionPhanes]

even if it is controversy for some people, it is a truth coming from the true Lord God

Blessings

What verse can I look to that elaborates on Satan creating fossils to confuse scientists living thousands of years in the future about the age of the earth ? I've never even seen the word "fossil" in the translations I use.

 

[seeking633]

The lizards in Job were probally not Dinosaurs. They could have have been any large lizard like a komodo dragon that exist today.

Yes, indeed. Anything is possible in this consideration. We do not know mainly because the people of this time and place did not routinely apply the rigors of science. But I do not consider it a loss. My salvation does not hinge on this knowledge, and this as well as many other things will be revealed in due time.

 

[homohabilis117]

without judging any person by speaking this way, i can say, to claim the prehistoric fossils have been since the flood means to support the conception of the palaeontology that the prehistoric fossils are remains of prehistoric animals lived even (hundreds of) millions of years ago (because you know how the science has have a lead as to this matter, and many people has been inclined to believe the scientists - here is how even you believe their discoveries somehow, for exactly they have dug the fossils and determined they are of prehistoric animals), while, according to what is written in the Bible, the universal creation was made about 5-6 millennia ago, because the beginning of this eternity was then

then in the Bible there is talk of many antichrists and angels of satan (1 John 2:18, Revelation 12:7), and it is not necessary that it be written how they materialized fossils or other things, but it is enough when it is written how they could show/perform great signs and wonders:

Matthew 24:24 (KJB) "there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.",

(NIV) "false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

there is no more correct explanation, because if God made there be prehistoric fossils, then He would be responsible for that

Blessings

Did God create fossils? It depends on your definition of "creation." There is "special creation" and then there is the more abstract sense of creation as on ongoing process, not something that began and ended in six days. For example, we can, right now, witness new islands being created from volcanic activity. We can see viruses mutate into new strains, which is the creation of new lifeforms (their genome is different from their predecessors). If you're willing to believe that God is the eternal Creator who set the mechanisms of creation into motion at the beginning of time-- whether that's 6,000 or 13.7 billion years ago-- then you can say that literally everything is God's creation no matter how much time has passed. Things like fossils can arise from the natural processes that were ultimately created by God. It's when you believe that God has to say, "here is a mountain! here is a lake! here is a duck-billed platypus!" that you get such problematic discrepancies. I think this is a case of, once again, we have to not put God in a box!

I agree that creation could be an ongoing process. However, if fossils came from any process other than the death and preservation of once living organisms, that would mean God is creating illusions.

 

[daleksteve]

Yes, indeed. Anything is possible in this consideration. We do not know mainly because the people of this time and place did not routinely apply the rigors of science. But I do not consider it a loss. My salvation does not hinge on this knowledge, and this as well as many other things will be revealed in due time.

Large giant lizards pop up in many ancient texts, not just the bible. Ancient legends about dragons come from dinosaur bones. Reports of dragon bones in China date back to the Jin Dynasty, 315 AD (Dong. 1992)

 

[homohabilis117]

even if it is controversy for some people, it is a truth coming from the true Lord God

Blessings

What you are saying is an arbitrary interpretation of scripture. Nowhere does the bible even hint that the devil could, would, or did make fossils to deceive. What you are saying is an interpretation of of a few verses about the devil deceiving, yet the verses in question are open to a wide range of interpretations. If you are going to interpret scripture this way, why not interpret genesis according to a day age or gap theory view? What gap theory or day age views do is the same as what you are doing with the scriptures about satan, except they are more parsimonious descriptions of reality. If the devil is constantly toying with reality to deceive us, how can we know anything is true? How can we trust our senses to any degree? If the devil can create fossils, he can create anything. Even the computer I am presently using may have been crafted by the devil for my own deception and demise. Beyond causing natural disasters to afflict Job, I cant think of anywhere in the bible where the devil is described as having that kind of power.

 

[BukiRob]

There are seashells high in the mountains because the mountain top land was once ocean floor that rose by way of subduction over long periods of time. The continents broke apart, reconstituted and broke apart again a number of times.

Rock bends and deforms under emmence pressure and heat over time as well.

The earth is roughly 4.7+/- billion years old. Life is around 550,000,000 years old.

Or it just could be that the biblical account is truth.

Fence straddlers like you live in a fantasy world.

Its either all true and you base your life upon it or its just a book like any other....

 

[CurtisNeeley]

If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? *snip* Would God do this?

. . . . First of all, YES! Fossils were created by God! These are NOT a record of ANYTHING. Usage of the colloquial term "fossil record" sets these "tests" up to lead humans to reject Christ. See further below.

honestly speaking, (S)atan is rather the one that has materialized the prehistoric fossils in order to mislead the worshipers that there is ostensibly no true God i.e. good/righteous

. . . . This comment has a shred of truth. Satan is not able to create fossils or ANYTHING real but motivates humans to look for creative arguments in order to assert "signs of" evolution as a creation mechanism other than God.
. . . . It is scientifically impossible to evolve from one species to another. Missing link(s) .? Sorry, but NO! These are NOT missing but leave this test an open question just like the "Tree of Knowledge". See further "witnessing" below.

The problem is that Genesis is wrong, the Hebrew authors didn't know about evolution. |****snip****| created the primitive life that evolved into life as we know it.

. . . . It is scientifically impossible to evolve from one species to another. Missing link(s). . . ? Sorry, but NO! These are NOT missing but leave this test an open question just like the "Tree of Knowledge".

The first similar false "witnessing" from Genesis follows.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

. . . . Humans were created to voluntarily choose to love God. Angels were not. Humans are not supposed to fear punishment and worship God to avoid this. Scientists are all eventually aware fossils were always created by God.
. . . . Darwin most certainly knows this today. Many see fossils as tests similar to placing the forbidden trees within the garden.
. . . . As human knowledge became greater, the resemblance to a 4,500 million year creation FRAUD would allow humans to either accept God or struggle to fight against Genesis and the truth told there.

Genesis is NOT wrong. The theory of evolution is a FRAUD.

4 And the {scientist} said unto the woman, Ye shall not {immediately} die:
5 For God doth know that {the most intellectual will argue against the truth}, then {many will be misled}, and {call themselves} gods, knowing good and evil.
6 {W}hen the woman saw {evolution was logical}, and {explained what could be seen and made her appear} wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and {taught evolution} unto her husband with her; and he did {join her in rejecting God}.

OP? Did God create fossils?
God most certainly created fossils so those grasping for logical answers ONLY would separate themselves from those who had faith.

 

[daleksteve]

What you are saying is an arbitrary interpretation of scripture. Nowhere does the bible even hint that the devil could, would, or did make fossils to deceive. What you are saying is an interpretation of of a few verses about the devil deceiving, yet the verses in question are open to a wide range of interpretations. If you are going to interpret scripture this way, why not interpret genesis according to a day age or gap theory view? What gap theory or day age views do is the same as what you are doing with the scriptures about satan, except they are more parsimonious descriptions of reality. If the devil is constantly toying with reality to deceive us, how can we know anything is true? How can we trust our senses to any degree? If the devil can create fossils, he can create anything. Even the computer I am presently using may have been crafted by the devil for my own deception and demise. Beyond causing natural disasters to afflict Job, I cant think of anywhere in the bible where the devil is described as having that kind of power.

Its the old biblical get out clause. Science says the earth is billions of years old, fossils are billions of years old, yet rather than accept the evidence against a young earth once again the old Devil deception card is played.

 

[Colter]

Or it just could be that the biblical account is truth.

Fence straddlers like you live in a fantasy world.

Its either all true and you base your life upon it or its just a book like any other....

That was a mean spirited reply. It's not all or nothing for me, besides, even if Moses wrote Genesis there was no scripture before exodus that survived. Moses was a reformer of previous beliefs.

I stake my faith on God alone and accept that man is imperfect.

 

[BukiRob]

I'm sorry if this offends anyone but as far as I'm concerned Genesis does not explicitly say that God created the universe and earth in six solar days, nor does it say that there were no humans before 6000 years ago.

Why wrestle with these matters when there are so many other more important issues, challenges, and problems that are facing Christians today?

What about the nature of man at the end-time (2 Tim 3 and 4)? What about finding a way to properly answer Muslims in the face of all that Islam tells them? What about the prevalence of that apostasy called the "Word of Faith" or "Prosperity" gospel? What about the western part of the church having a Laodecian nature? What about the total lack of recognition of healing by some high-profile teachers (MacArthur)?

Does any of this bother anybody?

Why plague the church with this type of discussion that is bound to bring in dissension among believers? Is it not obvious that just as some believers insist on abstinence from alcohol, which we must respect by abstaining when in their company, there are those who have trouble accepting any creation interpretation except "Young Earth"?

I for one cannot accept "Young Earth" in the face of all that science has discovered. In my view science doesn't have a problem with religion until religion begins to question its methods of observation, theory, and proof. Science was never meant to prove God's existence and it makes no assumption on that either way. The real problems are rooted in attitudes planted when science is used to try to exclude God, a practice that I consider entirely despicable and cowardly.

But as I said. I apologize if this offends anyone.

Dr Schroeder 6 days of Creation

Dr Schroeder is a Phd in nuclear physics and earth and planetary sciences from MIT

He presents a well reasoned scientific account of how the 6 day creation account in Genesis does not in any way conflict with what science currently observes.

When science and scripture seem to provide clear cut conflict one or both are the cause. 1) science is wrong. E.G. prior to the advent of the Big Bang theory it was universally believed that the universe was eternal. Science evolves and thus far has without question proven the first three words of the bible to be fact... IN THE BEGINNING.

2) Our interpretation of scripture is flawed.

I am by nature very analytical and my job requires this skill set. The longer I study scripture the more accurately it is in regards to how things happened.

take the creation account how did ancient man know the proper order of creation if indeed it is merely a story? Since ancient man did not have science to lean on how did they know (if indeed its just a story) that things go from simple to complex? Light was the first then starts then planets?

Regarding religions... its is G-d work to convert. It is our responsibility to be light. Our witness is the testimony of our life.

The apostasy you speak of goes far deeper than the things you present. Its why we find Adonai proclaiming in Revelations "Come out of her MY PEOPLE...."

 

[BukiRob]

Dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible as the first remains were found in the 1800s.

Not necessarily true.... tell me what Leviathan is as spoken of in Job?

 

[BukiRob]

That was a mean spirited reply. It's not all or nothing for me, besides, even if Moses wrote Genesis there was no scripture before exodus that survived. Moses was a reformer of previous beliefs.

I stake my faith on God alone and accept that man is imperfect.

Im sorry that you see truth as being mean spirited.

If G-d is incapable of keeping his word pure then he is not G-d. You are saying YOU are going to chose what is truth and what is not truth...

There is a way that seems right to man but its path leads to death Pv 14:12