Did God Create Fossils?

[Aman777]

You mean you don't know? But don't forget, you are conversing with someone who believes the doctrine of Sola Scriptura to be a grievous error.

That still does not add up to Plenary Verbal Inspiration. There are too many holes in your argument. For example, Peter is referring to prophecy, and the Bible is not entirely prophecy. In any case, he speaks of the inspiration of the Prophets themselves, not the text.

How does one believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ except according to the Scriptures?

 

[Speedwell]

How does one believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ except according to the Scriptures?

One believes the Gospel with the corroboration of Scriptures.

 

[Aman777]

One believes the Gospel with the corroboration of Scriptures.

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1Co 15:4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What corroboration or addition to the above is necessary to be saved?

 

[Colter]

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1Co 15:4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What corroboration or addition to the above is necessary to be saved?

The death of Jesus came about as a consequence of the rejection of his original good news gospel, salvation by the faith trust in the Father. Rejected on Jewish soil, an interpretation of the Jesus story found reception on Pagan soil and among a people who already had a belief in the sacrifice of a divine being for the sins of the world. Christianity was born, a religion about Jesus in place of the original religion of Jesus.

 

[Aman777]

The death of Jesus came about as a consequence of the rejection of his original good news gospel, salvation by the faith trust in the Father. Rejected on Jewish soil, an interpretation of the Jesus story found reception on Pagan soil and among a people who already had a belief in the sacrifice of a divine being for the sins of the world. Christianity was born, a religion about Jesus in place of the original religion of Jesus.

Which has nothing to do with the power of God unto Salvation, TODAY. The Gospel message given to Paul in the 3rd Heaven, by Jesus Himself, is the New testament as the following verse shows:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Faith in God's Holy Word, namely Jesus, has ALWAYS been the way to Salvation, even as far back as Abel. Heb 11:4 God KNEW that the Jewish people would reject Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8

 

[Colter]

Which has nothing to do with the power of God unto Salvation, TODAY. The Gospel message given to Paul in the 3rd Heaven, by Jesus Himself, is the New testament as the following verse shows:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Faith in God's Holy Word, namely Jesus, has ALWAYS been the way to Salvation, even as far back as Abel. Heb 11:4 God KNEW that the Jewish people would reject Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8

The original gospel had salvation.

Your theory has Jesus wasting his time and pretending to want to bring the Jews with a fake gospel, just waiting for Paul to teach his new gospel later.

God delegates powers and authority in his Sons, weather he chooses to know of the failures of his grandchildren is theoretical.

 

[Speedwell]

1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1Co 15:4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What corroboration or addition to the above is necessary to be saved?

Apostolic witness. "According to the scriptures" refers to OT prophecy, not the fact of His death and resurrection, which fact is confirmed by Apostolic witness and merely corroborated by the Biblical accounts.

 

[Aman777]

The original gospel had salvation.

Which was rejected by the Jewish leaders of Jesus' time on Earth.

*** Your theory has Jesus wasting his time and pretending to want to bring the Jews with a fake gospel, just waiting for Paul to teach his new gospel later.

Not so, since Jesus gave the Jews a Free Choice, just as He gives all people a free choice. IF what you say were true, God would NOT give any of us a choice. Thus a just, God would be unjust and could NEVER have a perfect Heaven.

*** God delegates powers and authority in his Sons, weather he chooses to know of the failures of his grandchildren is theoretical.

God has but ONE Son and He is Jesus. I know of NO grandchildren. Do you?

 

[Aman777]

Apostolic witness. "According to the scriptures" refers to OT prophecy, not the fact of His death and resurrection, which fact is confirmed by Apostolic witness and merely corroborated by the Biblical accounts.

Unscriptural as the following verse shows:

2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Can you show us a single verse from the Old Testament which tells us that Jesus rose from the dead? I can't.

1Co 15:4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[Speedwell]

Unscriptural as the following verse shows:

2Ti 3:16 ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Can you show us a single verse from the Old Testament which tells us that Jesus rose from the dead? I can't.

1Co 15:4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

LOL! The OT is full of passages which Christians have traditionally regarded as prophecies of the death and resurrection of Jesus, Isaiah 53, notably, and many others. In any case, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians there were no written Gospels, no scriptures beyond the OT, so your argument doesn't hold water.

And you still haven't explained how theopnuestos adds up to Plenary Verbal Inspiration.

I don't think you can. I think you Creationist people are promoting literal inerrancy in aid of some unsavory and unchristian agenda which you are afraid to reveal and which is why you seem to have nothing but lame and inadequate arguments in favor of it.

Tell the truth: why do you really need the Bible to be literal and inerrant.

 

[Aman777]

LOL! The OT is full of passages which Christians have traditionally regarded as prophecies of the death and resurrection of Jesus, Isaiah 53, notably, and many others. In any case, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians there were no written Gospels, no scriptures beyond the OT, so your argument doesn't hold water.

And you still haven't explained how theopnuestos adds up to Plenary Verbal Inspiration.

I don't think you can. I think you Creationist people are promoting literal inerrancy in aid of some unsavory and unchristian agenda which you are afraid to reveal and which is why you seem to have nothing but lame and inadequate arguments in favor of it.

Tell the truth: why do you really need the Bible to be literal and inerrant.

I notice that you could NOT post any Scriptures which tell of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ from the Old Testament, which you CLAIM is Scripture, while the New Testament is not. Isaiah 53 does NOT show the resurrection of Jesus. I don't think you can show the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the Old Testament as you posted. IF you can, Chapter and verse please.

I show that Genesis One is an outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible and it AGREES in every way with EVERY discovery of mankind IF you have the proper interpretation. Only the people of the last days can understand this because of the increased knowledge available today. I find Genesis to be literal and inerrant since it also agrees with every other discovered Truth of man. Amen?

 

[Speedwell]

I notice that you could NOT post any Scriptures which tell of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ from the Old Testament, which you CLAIM is Scripture, while the New Testament is not. Isaiah 53 does NOT show the resurrection of Jesus. I don't think you can show the Gospel of Jesus Christ from the Old Testament as you posted. IF you can, Chapter and verse please.

I show that Genesis One is an outline of ALL of the rest of the Bible and it AGREES in every way with EVERY discovery of mankind IF you have the proper interpretation. Only the people of the last days can understand this because of the increased knowledge available today. I find Genesis to be literal and inerrant since it also agrees with every other discovered Truth of man. Amen?

Okay, so that's what you believe. Do you know anything at all about the history of that doctrine? I see you are down as a Baptist. Is that what the Baptists teach now or is it something you picked up somewhere else?

 

[Aman777]

Okay, so that's what you believe. Do you know anything at all about the history of that doctrine? I see you are down as a Baptist. Is that what the Baptists teach now or is it something you picked up somewhere else?

It comes from more than 30 years of study with the help of the Holy Spirit, the Author of Scripture. I know of no Baptist nor any other group which currently teaches my view. My support comes from the agreement of Scripture, science and history, which is outlined in the first 34 verses of Genesis and which agrees with ALL of the rest of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Below are two witnesses from the Old and New Testaments.

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

I believe that God is currently pouring out His Spirit of Truth through the increased knowledge of science and history and that this will become apparent to ALL flesh as the end draws closer. God Bless you

 

[Kenneth Redden]

If the flood did not produce the fossil record, then what did in context of a young earth view? I have heard it said that God could have created coal when He formed the world. But coal comes from organic remains, pressurized over long periods of time. Also, coal seams contain fossils, such as the imprints of leaves and other organic structures. If God created this, he is essentially making detailed evidence of something alive that never lived. Would God do this?

Of coarse not. God's Word in the KJV Bible is all about truth, not deception!

 

[Thee Librarian]

That's Paul's gospel but he can't be blamed, he never knew Jesus.

The lake of fire was made up by people who have no better ideas than threats of fear and torture. Hell is a fabrication.

The lake of fire is final annihilation. Even Hades gets destroyed in the lake of fire.

 

[steve78]

I would not define that as "evidence." It is a scripture regarding the Antichrist, and there is no mention here about him creating fossils deep beneath the earth. Believing in fossils doesn't make you an atheist: There are many Christians who see the fossil record as being put in place by the flood, as do I.

I don't cause if the flood was responsible you would get a mixture of life at the different sedimentary layers. No humans remains for example have been found with Dinosaurs.

Fossils caused by flood just more young earth nonsense and easily disproved.

 

[steve78]

As for the flood, there wasn't one on the scale depicted in the Noah story. When the Hebrew authors were attempting to trace their bloodlines (authority) back to a much older Adam and Eve, they couldn't. So they exploited a local flood legend as a genealogical device. It was acceptable to the minds of the age but not to contemporary man. That's why we don't find human skeletons or their settlements along side dinosaurs, because the dinosaurs lived tens of millions of years before man evolved to will consciousness roughly 1 million years ago.

I agree with all of this.

 

[BukiRob]

The problem is that Genesis is wrong, the Hebrew authors didn't know about evolution. With the ancient oral traditions available to the Hebrew writers in Babylon, they pieced together a story for the consumption of the scattered, demoralized, once again captive, Bronze Age Israelite. They made NO claim to be writing by divine inspiration, later generations of preachers made that claim as the basis for their authority after the return. The Gods created the primitive life that evolved into life as we know it.

Really? First off you make the DEEPLY flawed assumption that the Hebrew text did not exist prior to the Babylonian captivity an assertion I utterly reject.

You do know that the universe appears to be different ages based upon where it is observed. I really, really tire of people who consistently misquote the age of the universe. The actual statement is as follows: The Universe is approximately 16 billion years old FROM OUR POINT OF OBSERVATION IN SPACE.

Most people have a deeply flawed understanding of time (hence age) because they falsely believe that time is a sperate thing it is not. IT IS TIME/SPACE.

Surely you have heard of the experiment that if you take an astronaut and he flies towards the nearest star at 50% of the speed of light and it takes him/her ~17 years to make that trip there and back only ~17 years have passed for him but. But on earth Well over 100 years have passed.

This clearly shows that where you OBSERVE something radically effects how old or young the universe appears to be.

We know that the gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that even light itself cannot escape it. This then PROVES that light can and IS affected by gravity and since this is so, then there are places in the universe that the observed age of the universe would appear to be exceptionally young.

The prophet Isaiah speaking of G-d says the following: It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. (Is 40:22)

In fact, that is exactly what occurred (and is still occurring) the universe started as a single point where it exploded in a rapidly expanding order So since time/space is expanding that stretching of space/time is going to radically warp our view on just how old the universe actually is.

 

[BobRyan]

The death of Jesus came about as a consequence of the rejection of his original good news gospel, salvation by the faith trust in the Father. Rejected on Jewish soil, an interpretation of the Jesus story found reception on Pagan soil and among a people who already had a belief in the sacrifice of a divine being for the sins of the world. Christianity was born, a religion about Jesus in place of the original religion of Jesus.

Until you read the actual Bible where it is Jesus Himself declaring that He was giving His life as a sacrifice for the world.

And even before that "on Jewish soil" we have Isaiah 53 also proclaiming that same message of sacrifice for sins of the world.

Bible details matter.

 

[BobRyan]

Really? First off you make the DEEPLY flawed assumption that the Hebrew text did not exist prior to the Babylonian captivity an assertion I utterly reject.
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As I understand it - Colter is promoting "Urantia" as the "Better Bible" and the one that Christians read as the flawed one.