Did God Create Evil?

[dx70]

This is simple. Stop reading the OT and red the new. As a matter of fact, only buy bibles that have the ot excluded.

After GOD gives you wisdom and understanding, then start reading the ot again.

I appreciate the answers. I cannot ignore what I have already learned of the OT though, and the remedy offered is kind yet too simple. I cannot accept killing or the rape of anyone when it is not in self defense, yet God ordered the Israelites to kill everything in canaan and they did not, and he permitted them the rape of young girls. Very unjust. I do believe that even though this is my second post it is time to walk far away from Christianity. My thanks to you for making me confront this problem head on. Goodbye.

 

[RaymondG]

I appreciate the answers. I cannot ignore what I have already learned of the OT though, and the remedy offered is kind yet too simple. I cannot accept killing or the rape of anyone when it is not in self defense, yet God ordered the Israelites to kill everything in canaan and they did not, and he permitted them the rape of young girls. Very unjust. I do believe that even though this is my second post it is time to walk far away from Christianity. My thanks to you for making me confront this problem head on. Goodbye.

Your carnal mind told you these things happened. And the carnal mind can't understand the things of God....it is emnity against Him. You can't serve two masters. When you are ready to serve the Lord and not your own mind...he'll be waiting for you...until then, let your mind lead you as long and as far as you feel it can...

 

[Neogaia777]

I have always been told know but the Bible is clear on more than one verse that he did.

Proverbs 16:4

Isaiah 45:7

It seems that this is the case.

Please chime in and let me know how this is not the case.

He created everything, including the possibility of evil, it is the "systemic anomaly" (Matrix terms) connected with, at the very least, the "illusion" of choice, if it is an illusion...

I think the only way he could make beings in his image and likeness was for at least the possibility of evil existing connected with perhaps the illusion of choice, in the beginning it was maybe, at least... (because God already knew we would eventually choose the evil, and have to exist in a world of both good and evil for a time), but I think He (God) I very much think has a plan or remedy for this/that, it all being connected with creating beings in his image and likeness, or like him, in the end...

God Bless!

 

[Anguspure]

I have always been told know but the Bible is clear on more than one verse that he did.

Proverbs 16:4

Isaiah 45:7

It seems that this is the case.

Please chime in and let me know how this is not the case.

God is good, God is love, God is life and God is light.

Furthermore evil does not exist, nor does cold, death or darkness. All of these labels simply express the absence of heat, life or light.

God creates evil in a similar way that the light creates darkness.

If all there is, is God then there is no evil. However where there is a distinction between that which is God and that which is not God (coincidental with the act of creation) then a distinction between good and evil, life and death, Love and sin etc.

So in the sense that God creates and allows all that exists distinctly from Him then He creates evil, but to suggest that evil comes from Him is absurd.

 

[Aseyesee]

I have always been told know but the Bible is clear on more than one verse that he did.

Proverbs 16:4

Isaiah 45:7

It seems that this is the case.

Please chime in and let me know how this is not the case.

I find the more important question is why ...

 

[Neogaia777]

I find the more important question is why ...

I assume for his good pleasure, or his own good pleasure in the end, but, what is that...?

 

[Neogaia777]

I find the more important question is why ...

That is the right question (I Robot)...

God Bless!

 

[Aseyesee]

I assume for his good pleasure, or his own good pleasure in the end, but, what is that...?

There are alot of why questions, and when reasoning runs its course, he becomes the consensus of them.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Is evil a created thing or simply an action of something that was created? I would suggest that there is nothing that exists that was not created by God or made by a thing that was created by God. If God creates a thing that then shapes something else was God not the ultimate Creator of that something else just as much as He was the Creator of the thing that shaped it?

 

[Neogaia777]

Is evil a created thing or simply an action of something that was created? I would suggest that there is nothing that exists that was not created by God or made by a thing that was created by God. If God creates a thing that then shapes something else was God not the ultimate Creator of that something else just as much as He was the Creator of the thing that shaped it?

And did not "the thing that shaped it" have a part in making or creating it...?

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

Is evil a created thing or simply an action of something that was created? I would suggest that there is nothing that exists that was not created by God or made by a thing that was created by God. If God creates a thing that then shapes something else was God not the ultimate Creator of that something else just as much as He was the Creator of the thing that shaped it?

The Most Holy, the GOD of creation influences everything with HIS Presence. In the same way, when GOD removes HIS Presence, that place becomes a space of darkness which is unholy. So, if the matrixes which were set by GOD produce things in the space where the GOD had removed HIS presence from, then it is that Nature, that Matrix, be it the air, water or earth that is responsible.

For instance: If you plant some seeds to become a lovely plant, and water it, fertilize it give it sunlight so that the seeds will grow. Yet, weeds grow along with it, are you responsible for the growth of the weeds?
You didn't plant the weeds, nor did you fertilize them, nor water them, yet there they are.

It is because of the Alter set which was pre set for the growth, for the nourishment, for the watering of the legitimate seeds, which also produced the weeds. But you had no hand in the weeds growing with the seeds you planted.

In the same way, all the things which GOD did not make, and yet they exist, are a product of the Alter set GOD pre set for Man in the earth. To feed Man, to Nourish Man, to procreate Man. Thus the very matrixes responsible for producing unclean, unholy things will also be judged, and all that did not pass, will not be transfigured.

 

[grasping the after wind]

In this case I think it is good to understand what evil really means. Evil is like darkness or emptiness. It is really nothing. Evil exists, when good is not present. That is why, when God allows people to reject Him and goodness, they get "darkness", which is lack of "light". Only thing needed for evilness is that there is not goodness.

I disagree with one thing here. All this is IMO but the existence of evil is more than the absence of good . It is the negation of good. For instance if wishing the best for others is good, wishing to harm others is evil and not wishing either is neither. Being indifferent is not the same as being evil despite the fact that it is not good to be indifferent and, from what I can tell for a Christian, it is actually sinful to be so. However, being sinful is not the same as being evil. The term evil involves a conscious decision to rebel not simply giving in to an unconscious desire to be selfish. Evil requires intent and as well as action. Sin does not require either intent or action.

 

[grasping the after wind]

And did not "the thing that shaped it" have a part in making or creating it...?

That depends on one's perspective I think. From my perspective, I would say yes but I am not a strict Calvinist and a strict Calvinist might say no as the thing was merely doing what God ordained and had no choice in the matter.

 

[grasping the after wind]

The Most Holy GOD's Presence influences everything. In the same way, when GOD removes HIS Presence, that place becomes a space of darkness which is unholy. So, if the matrixes which were set by GOD produce things in the space where the GOD had removed HIS presence from, then it is that Nature, that Matrix, be it the air, water or earth that is responsible.

For instance: If you plant some seeds to become a lovely plant, and water it, fertilize it give it sunlight so that the seeds will grow. Yet, weeds grow along with it, are you responsible for the growth of the weeds?
You didn't plant the weeds, nor did you fertilize them, nor water them, yet there they are.

It is because of the Alter set which was pre set for the growth, for the nourishment, for the watering of the legitimate seeds, which also produced the weeds. But you had no hand in the weeds growing with the seeds you planted.

In the same way, all the things which GOD did not make, and yet they exist, are a product of the Alter set GOD pre set for Man in the earth. To feed Man, to Nourish Man, to procreate Man. Thus the very matrixes responsible for producing unclean, unholy things will also be judged, and all that did not pass, will not be transfigured.

Where did these Matrices of yours get the power to create themselves from? If they sprang form nothing how does that differ from the atheistic view that God is not necessary at all as nothingness can create somethingness?

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

Where did these Matrices of yours get the power to create themselves from? If they sprang form nothing how does that differ from the atheistic view that God is not necessary at all as nothingness can create somethingness?

Where do maggots and cockroaches and flies come from? the Air, the Water, the Earth are the Alter set for this planet. How am i saying something was created out of nothing when im saying that the GOD preset the Alter for Mankind? Can you explain what produces weeds? Can you explain what produces Cockroaches and maggots, flies etc...

Even if you cling wrap a bowl of food and leave it out only to open it up a few days later, you will find that maggots are found in the bowl. It is because of the air which was enclosed in the bowl coupled with the materials of the food.

In the same way, it is a result of already existing materials as well as a Matrix which produces these things which are unholy because GOD's presence was not there.

 

[Anguspure]

You have to keep in the equasion the fact that the 'evil one' was once a 'holy one' who fell.

The irony for the fallen one is that even he is not yet totally evil, evidenced by the fact that he is not yet totally dead.
He will be totally evil one day but then he will no longer be a problem.
Rather his problem is in that he still wishes to live without aknowledging the very source of his light and life, even if much of what he has is perhaps taken second hand from innocent created beings it all comes from tje Father of Lights that is Our Lord and our God.

 

[Aseyesee]

Is evil a created thing or simply an action of something that was created? I would suggest that there is nothing that exists that was not created by God or made by a thing that was created by God. If God creates a thing that then shapes something else was God not the ultimate Creator of that something else just as much as He was the Creator of the thing that shaped it?

When reasoning, this should bring us to the consensus that God is love.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Where do maggots and cockroaches and flies come from? the Air, the Water, the Earth are the Alter set for this planet. How am i saying something was created out of nothing when im saying that the GOD preset the Alter for Mankind? Can you explain what produces weeds? Can you explain what produces Cockroaches and maggots, flies etc...

Even if you cling wrap a bowl of food and leave it out only to open it up a few days later, you will find that maggots are found in the bowl. It is because of the air which was enclosed in the bowl coupled with the materials of the food.

In the same way, it is a result of already existing materials as well as a Matrix which produces these things which are unholy because GOD's presence was not there.

The Story of Spontaneous Generation.

Flies lay eggs.
Fly eggs hatch into maggots
Therefore where no flies lay eggs no maggots can be found.

The Tale of Maggot Origin.

Maggots are the offsping of flies.
God created flies.
Therefore God ultimately created maggots.

 

[grasping the after wind]

When reasoning, this should bring us to the consensus that God is love.

Though it is true. It was not reason that told me that. God is beyond my ability to reason.

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

The Story of Spontaneous Generation.

Flies lay eggs.
Fly eggs hatch into maggots
Therefore where no flies lay eggs no maggots can be found.

The Tale of Maggot Origin.

Maggots are the offsping of flies.
God created flies.
Therefore God ultimately created maggots.

GOD did not create flies.