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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Nathan98, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. SBC

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    Close - I agree.

    Personally - I do not favor using flowery terms, such as a "metaphor".
    Reason being; for example ~

    metaphor meaning:
    a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

    It is the POWER that IS what IS the ISSUE.
    Literally it applies to real POWER over mankind,
    In one case it is huge physical animal beasts.
    In one case it is satan.

    It also applies to Governments, rulers, kings, religious leaders, etc.

    And the POWER - Literally IS real POWER - and again all those things WITH literal POWER, whether they believe it, know it, understand it - they all are still "UNDER" God, who IS Supreme Power.

    I think it is Specific.

    You are somewhat making my point - IT is literal - not metaphoric.

    But we differ some - Christ's 2nd coming - is I believe - for redeeming ie claiming His people in standing with Him - AND a 1,000 years of Christ, His Kingdom, His redeemed, AND some Natural people, who believe, but were not committed to either Christ or satan, and they shall multiply as natural people do.

    The earth shall be void of "souls" that stood against God - their bodies dead and fallen angels who stood against God - Punished? Not yet- till the 1,000 yrs are complete.

    Eh - NLT - I give a thumbs down.

    Agree. Love is one thing - Like is quite another thing. We do not have to be stupid and careless. IMO the US govt ( AND many treading on the gov'ts coat tails) are stupid and careless in dealing with what opposes the established standing foundation of our nations standards and principles.

    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  2. Bible Highlighter

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    Metaphor
    (noun):
    1. a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which itis not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mightyfortress is our God.”

    Source:
    the definition of metaphor

    As for the NLT, I like using the NLT and comparing it with my final word of authority which is the KJV. While the NLT and KJV do not always agree, the chapters I quoted to you agree for the most part in what they are saying. The KJV has been the Bible to exist for hundreds of years long before the Modern Versions came on to the scene. I like the NLT because it helps to simplify what the KJV is saying in many places. Again, I do realize Modern Translations can be faulty in many places. But if one compares it with the KJV and the original languages, then they should have an understanding of what God's Word is saying. Especially if one looks at the context.

    As for your Eschatology: Not going to go there. First, what you are saying makes no sense to me. Second, I have written a rather large chronology on the End Times. I spent months re-arranging the chronology based on what Scripture was saying. Is it perfect? Only God knows. I believe Eschatology has a general road map with certain details being a possibility . For we look through a glass darkly. We cannot know with 100% certainty on the details until it happens. Only the general road of the important events can we know will happen. So yes, there are general things we know will happen, but that takes careful study of God's Word. Some today try to get people to hate others in their prophecy. This is not what Jesus wants. He wants us to love and pray and do good towards our enemies.
     
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  3. SBC

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    I do not like the use of flowery words. My preference. I have seen too many times, such words used as an EXCUSE to buttress a false teaching.

    Scripture is simply KNOWLEDGE given us. And believer or not - people want an instant "UNDERSTANDING" of the Knowledge. Unbelievers will nudge, ask, even demand proof; which is merely their effort to "UNDERSTAND" "BEFORE" they decide to invest time and effort in belief. Believers are just as anxious for the understanding, and gravitate toward philosophers, feelings, guessing, mindful logical conclusions, then argue those things all day long.

    Inanutshell -
    I see it as; the knowledge is given of what IS - and men focus on how to make it what ISN'T - because it does not make sense TO THEIR CARNAL MIND.

    And Scripture teaches to TRUST what IS - and be patient for God to give the man the understanding TO HIS HEART.

    The TRUTH IS - Scripture is True -
    and the Understanding of Scriptures (according to God)
    IS ONLY GIVEN to an individual BY GOD HIMSELF.

    I have wasted time with "Versions" of the Bible - that completely change the meaning of the intent of Scripture. My choice is to put away that which is a diversion.

    It was a snippet, not a in depth revealing on a forum.

    As have I.

    The Lord's 2nd coming is a reference to His descent FROM Heaven (in which He can be SEEN, by certain people).

    He descends - ie Leaves Heaven -
    He pauses IN THE AIR, ie the Clouds, ie Between Heaven and Earth.
    He calls UP to the Air, ie the Clouds, those bodies, He is redeeming.
    This occurs BEFORE His descent continues to Earth.

    1 Thes 4
    [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  4. Quad

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    Well, scienctifically speaking. It is very possible for dragons to exist because their biological construct is very basic. All dragons are are dinosaurs with wings, that's it. And even though we have no records of dragons on this planet, there is a high chance they exist on other planets in our universe. It's not mathematically probable that this is the only planet in existence that has life.
     
  5. Bible Highlighter

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    Wel, I am not sure you understand what a metaphor is. Metaphors are used all over the Bible. E. W. Bullinger has catalogued 217 different figures of speech or metaphors in the Bible. So you cannot escape metaphors if you read the Bible. Even translations that have seeked to eliminate metaphors still has metaphors or figures of speech within them. So if you don't like metaphors, then that means you are not liking certain aspects of the Bible (because it is a fact that the Bible uses them). This is pretty common knowledge.

    The Bible needs to be read with the help of God and in being spiritually born again.
    Yes, people are impatient in gaining knowledge.
    The main problem I see is that people cannot understand the Bible because of some kind of sin within their own life. Sin is what blocks a person to see clearly.
    But God's Word is harmonious with logic (or logical thinking), morality, emotions, and things in the real world. For God invented logic, order, morality, emotions and truths in this world as things that are good. Of course there are bad emotions, but we as believers are to have the fruits of the Spirit (Which are good emotions that then reflect upon our right actions).

    There is a problem with trying to put away versions of the Bible. Every Bible you read is a version. Even the Hebrew and Greek are not all from the same Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. There is the Textus Receptus and there are the Vaticanus and Sinaticus texts. All English BIbles you quote and read are from one of these versions. The KJV favors the Textus Receptus and the Modern Translations favor the Vaticanus and Sinaticus texts. So what English version of the Bible do you read?

    I do not like to debate Eschatology; Especially if a person's prophecies are waaaay out there.
    While I have debated Eschatology in the past briefly, I prefer not to engage in doing so anymore.

    I do not think we are even remotely close to believing the same way on this and I am not interested in debating it. But I have created an extensive chronology using the Olivet Discourse, much of Revelation, and various OT End Times references. Here is:

    My End Times Chronology Summary:

    1. Pre-Trib Rapture.
    2. 1st Half of 7 Year Tribulation.
    3. 2nd Half of 7 Year Tribulation: Armageddon, and Christ's 2nd Coming.
    4. Earth is Purified by Fire & Satan is Bound.
    5. The Millennium: the 1st of the Resurrections, 1,000 Year Reign of Christ, & the Final Last Battle.
    6. The Final Resurrections, the Earth Passes Away, and the Judgment.
    7. The Final New Heavens and New Earth.


    Anyways, may the Lord's love shine upon you;
    And may you please be well.
     
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  6. SBC

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    a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.

    I am not convinced you understand my point.
    All of Scripture is true. Period.
    Flowery words simply provide mankind an out to believe some things and not believe what they do not understand.

    No it doesn't. It simply means you are willing to accept some things are literally true in the Bible and some things are not literally true in the Bible. You embrace that. You deal with it. Don't presume you are with authority to tell me, I have to accept your understanding, or otherwise be rejecting of Scripture. Open your own eyes, I am not the one promoting rejection, you are.

    It's also pretty common for men to reject Scripture that they do not understand. So?
    Does that mean every man should follow what the majority of the world does?

    Perhaps that is why only FEW are chosen.

    I am well aware of what is necessary to understand Gods own word.

    No. Which IS MY POINT. LOGIC is a mans MIND, figuring, weighing between options, and figuring what MAKES sense to his MIND, and conclude that is the WISE thing to believe and trust.

    You PRESUME Scripture is understood LOGICALLY? That it should MAKE SENSE to YOUR MIND? And IF something doesn't make Sense to your MIND, then choose you some flowery word to explain it? In other words, don't believe what scripture says, but have a handy worldly acceptable excuse?

    No.

    1 Cor 3 [19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.


    For the purpose of a NATURAL CARNAL MAN to function NATURALLY "in this world".

    Point BEING
    you are supposed to be learning is HOW TO be SPIRITUAL and function "in this world" - until it is your time "in this world" ends.

    No.

    Investigating a version is one thing. Putting that version away is another.

    Do you still read a Toddler Version of the Bible? Or have you put that version away?

    Eh - So I think the Bible is literal and seems you don't. No, issue for me.
    Eh - So I think man's mindful logical approach to understanding Scripture is foolish and seems you don't. No. issue for me.

    No issue for me. I speak what I believe, and do not defend my beliefs.

    Ditto.

    God Bless,
    SBC
     
  7. Hal A Peno

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  8. SBC

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    I do not ask others to agree with ME. But I do notice when they proclaim they DO NOT Agree with Scripture.

    Jason was using his own understanding "This is pretty common knowledge" to promote understanding of "common knowledge", is acceptable to use for "understanding scripture". I disagree, so what?

    So what are you saying? People ARE CHOSEN, because they CAN REJECT SCRIPTURE, IF it isn't LOGICAL to their mind?

    Nope, Christ does that. I accept it. You have a problem with what Christ does for me?

    To you? How so? Since I was not asking you a question, why are you attempting to tell me Jason's feeling of being belittled by a question?

    I said; I think man's mindful logical approach to understanding Scripture is foolish.

    Thanks for sharing you think that is a WRONG for me to BELIEVE.
    Is that "YOUR ATTEMPT" to belittle me, my belief? It failed.

    1 Cor 3 [19] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

    Uh huh. I sure did quote that.
    Uh huh. I am sure that IS TRUE.

    Why are you trying to PUT YOUR WORDS IN MY MOUTH?
    I said nothing that even remotely suggests disagreement between Jason and me affects who is CHOSEN.

    Of course I am, as are the FEW WHO submit unto God, more special, than those who do not.
    God calls the Few; forgiven, quickened, saved, chosen, beloved, favored, peculiar, kept, sanctified, perfect, holy, saints, etc.

    God Bless,
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  9. Hal A Peno

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    Well, actually, the Greek word δράκων used in Revelation 12:3 can also mean "giant snake."
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

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    I am saying that certain believers can reject certain portions of Scripture by what they believe and by what they do. I am not saying they reject the Scriptures as a whole. Sometimes some may reject a good portion of the Scriptures and do not realize that they are rejecting them. For example: Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39).
     
  12. Bible Highlighter

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    I do not wish to debate the same things, my friend.
    Let's agree to disagree and hug it out as Christians in love.

    May the Lord's love shine upon you today.
     
  13. SBC

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    Not sure what "IT" is, that you think is easy to fix.

    However - for myself, I am content with the path I am on and the distance I am gaining.

    God Bless,
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  14. SBC

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    Already have. :)

    Ditto.

    God Bless,
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