Did fallen angels break our code?

[Contenders Edge]

That's not what I see in your posts ...

Probably because you impose a symoblic or metaphorical interpretation on them like you do the Bible.

 

[Contenders Edge]

It wouldn't matter

Perhaps there is nothing in Luke that supports your position on this matter after all.

 

[DebbieJ]

You bring up a lot of points that need to be considered and it is not that the Nephilim survived the flood, but at some point after the flood, the wicked angels proceeded to do the same things as they had done before which resulted in the Nephilim in the first place. Remember the part of the passage where it was written that there were giants in those days (before the flood) and afterward (after the flood)

But those fallen angels were already sent to Tartarus (2 Peter 2:4). With regards to what happened after the flood, the Nephilim were only mentioned and not the fallen angels (Gen 6:4). This tells us that some of them survived the flood due to their angelic like powers. If angels were still doing that after the flood, the world will be back to its former state in no time. What's the point of flooding the whole earth when the Lord knows that the angels are going to do it all over again?

 

[Scott Husted]

this rabbit hole will only lead you to watching YouTube videos of people uncovering obviously photoshopped skeletons of giants.

If the Nephilim word is related to clouds then it is only when Christ comes from heaven that those clouds are transformed by the Light of the sun into something that is useful. Being as the angels are who do not marry is the same symbol as those that are virgins. The Fallen Angels mating with women and making Giants is the same symbol as the drunk Harlot that sits on the Beast that has many heads. They are pictures of sin and it's spiritual effect versus Christ in us the hope of glory.

... that which ascends out of a bottomless pit.

 

[Scott Husted]

Probably because you impose a symoblic or metaphorical interpretation on them like you do the Bible.

When your eye is single the texts flow as a single narrative becoming summed up in one, and in their totality relative to the process of this truth found in the purpose that God purposed in himself before the world was; a truth opening in us as us.

 

[Contenders Edge]

But those fallen angels were already sent to Tartarus (2 Peter 2:4). With regards to what happened after the flood, the Nephilim were only mentioned and not the fallen angels (Gen 6:4). This tells us that some of them survived the flood due to their angelic like powers. If angels were still doing that after the flood, the world will be back to its former state in no time. What's the point of flooding the whole earth when the Lord knows that the angels are going to do it all over again?

The scriptures also says that every air-breathing creature died in the flood. That would also include these Nephilim. Therefore, the only explanation consistent with scripture as to how there were Nephilim after the flood was that the wicked angels that had not been imprisoned in Tartarus proceeded once again to produce them as they once did before the flood. Some of the fallen angels may be bound but not all of them. But to understand what led the wicked angels to produce the Nephilim, we have to be clear on what the spiritual and moral condition of the world was before the flood and what it might have been like after the flood, though obviously on a smaller scale.

The purpose of the flood was not only to destroy the evil Nephilim, but the wickedness of man altogether as it reached to such a height that there was no other remedy. We think things are bad now, but we cannot even imagine what things must have been like in the days of Noah beyond what the scriptures tell us.

 

[Contenders Edge]

When your eye is single the texts flow as a single narrative becoming summed up in one, and in their totality relative to the process of this truth found in the purpose that God purposed in himself before the world was; a truth opening in us as us.

I admit that I don't understand what you mean by this but it sounds like something one would expect a gnostic to say and all I know is what the text says and nothing beyond that.

 

[Paul4JC]

The scriptures also says that every air-breathing creature died in the flood. That would also include these Nephilim. Therefore, the only explanation consistent with scripture as to how there were Nephilim after the flood was that the wicked angels that had not been imprisoned in Tartarus proceeded once again to produce them as they once did before the flood. Some of the fallen angels may be bound but not all of them. But to understand what led the wicked angels to produce the Nephilim, we have to be clear on what the spiritual and moral condition of the world was before the flood and what it might have been like after the flood, though obviously on a smaller scale.

The purpose of the flood was not only to destroy the evil Nephilim, but the wickedness of man altogether as it reached to such a height that there was no other remedy. We think things are bad now, but we cannot even imagine what things must have been like in the days of Noah beyond what the scriptures tell us.

I lean toward Rob Skiba's view that there was no second occurrence, but still have questions.

THE RETURN OF THE NEPHILIM: AFTER THE FLOOD


I think it's more complex to understand the generations of Nephilim.

1 Enoch 7:2 And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were born †Elioud†. And they were growing in accordance with their greatness.

According to Enoch the grandchildren where the Nephilim. If the first occurrence was "in the days of Jared", then there is over a 1000 years for the Nephilim to reign till the flood when they were destroyed (though the 1st generation abominations were killed off before reaching age of 500) and we all know how long antediluvian man lived, many almost a 1000 years.

Another theory is through Canaan. Did one of the wives on the Ark carry Nephilim genes? Was Ham's sin related? Who was Canaan and who was Kanaan? Why is Arphaxhad's genealogy mixed up? Og king of Bashan Duet 3:11. Each generation of giants was diluted by humans, but still at the time of Goliath they were still massive.

 

[Contenders Edge]

I lean toward Rob Skiba's view that there was no second occurrence, but still have questions.

THE RETURN OF THE NEPHILIM: AFTER THE FLOOD


I think it's more complex to understand the generations of Nephilim.

1 Enoch 7:2 And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. And the giants begot Nephilim, and to the Nephilim were born †Elioud†. And they were growing in accordance with their greatness.

According to Enoch the grandchildren where the Nephilim. If the first occurrence was "in the days of Jared", then there is over a 1000 years for the Nephilim to reign till the flood when they were destroyed (though the 1st generation abominations were killed off before reaching age of 500) and we all know how long antediluvian man lived, many almost a 1000 years.

Another theory is through Canaan. Did one of the wives on the Ark carry Nephilim genes? Was Ham's sin related? Who was Canaan and who was Kanaan? Why is Arphaxhad's genealogy mixed up? Og king of Bashan Duet 3:11. Each generation of giants was diluted by humans, but still at the time of Goliath they were still massive.

I lean towards the view of scripture which states that there was a second occurrence: "There were giants in those days" [before the flood] "and afterward" [after the flood] It says what it says and I leave at that. No reason to read more into it than what it already says because it does not allow for any other understanding than what it presents.

 

[DebbieJ]

The scriptures also says that every air-breathing creature died in the flood. That would also include these Nephilim.

The Lord only said, "I will destroy man whom he has created". (Gen 6:7)

The Nephilim were never his creation. They cannot be considered "human", thus they have a separate name -- Nephilim, because they are of the fallen angels.

As an example, would you consider "Superman" as a human being? He looks human, but we know he is different. Can he be killed in a mere flood?

Therefore, the only explanation consistent with scripture as to how there were Nephilim after the flood was that the wicked angels that had not been imprisoned in Tartarus proceeded once again to produce them as they once did before the flood.

But, I can't find this story in the Bible where the fallen angels once again procreated with women after the flood. What was only stated was that the fallen angels who did this deed were imprisoned in Tartarus.

That's the only information we have.

However, Revelation reveals that a third of the angels were thrown to the earth after fighting with the archangel Michael and his angels during Christ's birth and ascension. But the Devil was not successful in killing the child. The fallen angels were once again on earth roaming about just like Noah's time. (Luke 17:26)

This is where it gets interesting. Did the fallen angels do this deed again? Are they with us now? Can you even tell between an angel and a human being once they transformed into us? Do we even know that they are here in this forum? Lol

This reminded me so much of this song.

 

[Contenders Edge]

The Lord only said, "I will destroy man whom he has created". (Gen 6:7)

The Nephilim were never his creation. They cannot be considered "human", thus they have a separate name -- Nephilim, because they are of the fallen angels.

As an example, would you consider "Superman" as a human being? He looks human, but we know he is different. Can he be killed in a mere flood?

The Bible says that all air-breathing creatures, and this would include Nephilim, died in the flood. Only Noah, his family, and all the animals on the Ark with him were saved. (Gen. 7:21-23) But the scripture clearly states that the appearance of the Nephilim both before and after the flood were in connection with the Sons of God inter-marrying with the daughters of men in both cases:


"There were giants in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." (Gen. 6:4)

However, Revelation reveals that a third of the angels were thrown to the earth after fighting with the archangel Michael and his angels during Christ's birth and ascension. But the Devil was not successful in killing the child. The fallen angels were once again on earth roaming about just like Noah's time.

That battle in Heaven has not yet happened since that same cited chapter goes into events that happen afterwards that have not yet taken place.