Did Christ every command or request worship for himself?

[Clare73]

Amen. The answer about who Yeshua is, revealed by the God the Father in heaven, is that he is the Son of God. That's the only answer we should give if he were standing here now asking us who he is.

Jesus revealed he was in glory with the Father before he came to earth (Jn 17:5).

John reveals he is God (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

You are not a Christian, but an unbeliever (post #15) and denier of the word of God which is, therefore, closed to you.

 

[lanceleo]

Honor doesn't mean the same thing as worship. I can honor you without worshipping you. The context is regarding the authority to judge that Yeshua only received after it was given to him by God. It means that the authority to judge should be honored with the same amount of respect as if it had came from the Father.

John 5:22-23
22For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

MAGI worship Him

Matthew 2:11
King James Version
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.



DISCIPLES worship Him

Matthew 14:33
King James Version
33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.


DISCIPLES worship Him after the ascension

Luke 24:52
King James Version
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:


Thomas worshipped him

John 20:28-29
King James Version
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.



Canaanite woman worships Him
Matthew 15:25
King James Version
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.


The healed man worships Him

John 9:38
King James Version
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.



Two MARY'S worship Him

Matthew 28:9
King James Version
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.



The ANGELS of God worship Him

Hebrews 1:6
King James Version
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


The FOUR LIVING CREATURES and the 24 ELDERS worship Him

Revelation 5:8
King James Version
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Luke 24:50-53
King James Version
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen

Do you still need proof?

 

[Mark Quayle]

In exploring Christianity, Christ never commanded or requested worship for himself. While there are examples of people bowing down before Christ, these are descriptive rather than prescriptive examples.

One example is Matthew 2:2 when three foreigners from the east came and worshipped Christ when he was born and brought gifts.

Another example is Matthew 14:33 where Christ was given unsolicited worship in regards to being God's Son.

One more example is Hebrews 1:6 when God specifically directed angels to worship His Son, but He didn't extend this command to people.

When Christ spoke on the matter of worship, he prescribed worship to his God and Father, making worship of God the Father the prescribed Biblical example for people to follow:

John 4:23-24
23But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

What does, "Did Christ every command", mean?

 

[Runningman]

What does, "Did Christ every command", mean?

Every was supposed to be ever. It's just a typo.

 

[Lukaris]

God is long suffering etc. for us ( Psalms 86:15 ) and revealed Himself according to what we could understand. There are still most who do not properly understand God but it seems He will forgive many in ways beyond our understanding ( Matthew 12:31-32 etc.)which is why we must not judge ( Matthew 7:1-12 etc.).

 

[Runningman]

You claim to know scripture and need elaboration on this? Ok, then read John 1:1-18

It says the word is God and that by John 1:14 it says Yeshua was begotten of the Father. Begotten means offspring so Yeshua was produced when God's words manifested into flesh.

Colossians 1:1-29 for comparison & verification that Jesus Christ is God

Neither of those passages say Yeshua is God.

Did you read Colossians 1:3 ? It says Yeshua has a God.
3We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you

having many titles (according to His purpose) the Son of God, God the Word, etc. He is the Creator with God His Father ( John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Colossians 1:15-18). This same Son of God who is also God was prophesied to become flesh also bears the name: Immanuel ( God with us) as per Isaiah 7:14.

Colossians 1:15 says he's a firstborn.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

The creation refers to instrumentality in regards to the creation of the church.

God said, “I am that I am” to Moses and told him to tell the people that He is “I am”. ( Exodus 3:14-15). Jesus Christ testifies of His divinity in John 8:56-59 in verse 58 by stating that He is “I am” . He says He and His Father ate one in John 14:11 and this is the same God as Moses says He is One God in Deuteronomy 6:4.

That's called your interpretation and it isn't explicit nor accurate. Yeshua never, no not one time, stated he is God.

 

[Runningman]

See Jn 1:14.

Are you that uninformed?. . .see Jn 1:1.

John 1:14 says Yeshua was begotten by God.

God is to be worshiped.

Yes, Christ said God the Father is to be worshipped.

ViaCrucis has it right (post #33). . .you just play games.
Therefore, the word of God will be a closed book to you.

I study the Bible every day and know it well. You're free to believe what you want about me.

 

[Runningman]

There is also no "Thou shalt believe in God."

More games. . .demonstrating you are not a Christian believer (post #15) and the word of God is a closed book to you.

God commands worship of himself.. Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

You do the math.

The gospel doesn't say to believe Yeshua is God. I believe it exactly as it says, but maybe you don't. I would worry about your own spiritual status.

 

[Runningman]

The answer who is Jesus is revealed by God the Father in heaven to John the apostle in the NT word of God; i.e. Jesus is God (Jn 1:1, Jn 1:14).

As a denier of the word of God, the Bible is a closed book to you.

John 1:1 says the word is God. Yeshua isn't even mentioned as existing until he was begotten by God when God's words manifested as Yeshua.

 

[Runningman]

God is long suffering etc. for us ( Psalms 86:15 ) and revealed Himself according to what we could understand. There are still most who do not properly understand God but it seems He will forgive many in ways beyond our understanding ( Matthew 12:31-32 etc.)which is why we must not judge ( Matthew 7:1-12 etc.).

I wish you would tell them that directly so they know who you're talking to.

 

[Runningman]

MAGI worship Him

Matthew 2:11
King James Version
11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

They were foreigners from the east, presumably not even Jewish.

DISCIPLES worship Him

Matthew 14:33
King James Version
33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.


DISCIPLES worship Him after the ascension

Luke 24:52
King James Version
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

Descriptive not prescriptive.

Thomas worshipped him

John 20:28-29
King James Version
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.



Canaanite woman worships Him
Matthew 15:25
King James Version
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.


The healed man worships Him

John 9:38
King James Version
38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

Descriptive not prescriptive.

Two MARY'S worship Him

Matthew 28:9
King James Version
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

Descriptive not prescriptive.

The ANGELS of God worship Him

Hebrews 1:6
King James Version
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

God only commanded angels to do it, not people.

The FOUR LIVING CREATURES and the 24 ELDERS worship Him

Revelation 5:8
King James Version
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

I wouldn't say falling down before is necessarily worship.

Luke 24:50-53
King James Version
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen

Do you still need proof?

It doesn't say they worshipped Christ. Christ was taken to heaven by God. This passage says he was taken up. I would assume they were worshipping God, not Yeshua.

 

[Lukaris]

I wish you would tell them that directly so they know who you're talking to.

You have been told by people here so you need to draw your conclusions.

 

[Lukaris]

It says the word is God and that by John 1:14 it says Yeshua was begotten of the Father. Begotten means offspring so Yeshua was produced when God's words manifested into flesh.


Neither of those passages say Yeshua is God.

Did you read Colossians 1:3 ? It says Yeshua has a God.
3We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you




Colossians 1:15 says he's a firstborn.

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

The creation refers to instrumentality in regards to the creation of the church.

That's called your interpretation and it isn't explicit nor accurate. Yeshua never, no not one time, stated he is God.

So when the Lord says He is “I am” as God defined Himself to Moses, He is declaring that He is God. You are a denier, not an inquirer & preach a false doctrine.

 

[lanceleo]

They were foreigners from the east, presumably not even Jewish.


Descriptive not prescriptive.

Descriptive not prescriptive.

Descriptive not prescriptive.

God only commanded angels to do it, not people.

I wouldn't say falling down before is necessarily worship.

It doesn't say they worshipped Christ. Christ was taken to heaven by God. This passage says he was taken up. I would assume they were worshipping God, not Yeshua.

Ok let's see what God the Father addresses Jesus shall we?


Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Who is God calling God here?

 

[Runningman]

Ok let's see what God the Father addresses Jesus shall we?


Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Who is God calling God here?

It's a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 where in the context it is talking about a human king with a wife. Since that's the case, can you explain how the human king with a wife is God?

 

[lanceleo]

It's a quote from Psalm 45:6-7 where in the context it is talking about a human king with a wife. Since that's the case, can you explain how the human king with a wife is God?

While the verses seem identical the context in Hebrew was refernced to Jesus.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

 

[Runningman]

So when the Lord says He is “I am” as God defined Himself to Moses, He is declaring that He is God. You are a denier, not an inquirer & preach a false doctrine.

It's not translated correct. "I am" is egō eimi and it is typically translated as "I am he." Here are a few examples:

Mark 13:6
John 13:9
John 18:5-8
Matthew 14:27
Mark 6:50
John 6:20
and more... but you get the point.

So I think you're just reading that particular verse with a Trinitarian bias and to be fair most Bible translators are Trinitarian. They literally write their ideas into the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

While the verses seem identical the context in Hebrew was refernced to Jesus.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The word worlds in Hebrews 1:2 isn't correct. That word in Greek actually refers to ages as in a space of time in a temporal sense.

Without this key piece of information, the verse doesn't make sense because it says God spoke in different ways in the past, but in the last days God spoke through His Son. Since that's true and the world was created in the past, it would mean God didn't speak through Christ in the past or create the world through him. This verse is actually referring to God creating the church through Christ.

G165. aión
Strong's Concordance
aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Definition: a space of time, an age
Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

 

[lanceleo]

The word worlds in Hebrews 1:2 isn't correct. That word in Greek actually refers to ages as in a space of time in a temporal sense.

Without this key piece of information, the verse doesn't make sense because it says God spoke in different ways in the past, but in the last days God spoke through His Son. Since that's true and the world was created in the past, it would mean God didn't speak through Christ in the past or create the world through him. This verse is actually referring to God creating the church through Christ.

G165. aión
Strong's Concordance
aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Definition: a space of time, an age
Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

Are you correcting the faithful translation of the KJV now? You wouldn't think God made the worlds without the dimension of time right?

We know the world was created at some point in the past. He sent various prophets at different times but in the last days he sent his Son. Yes God sent Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah, Elisha etc to his people and spoke through them.

Christ was coeternal with the Father. Of course the Father made the worlds through his Son.

How did you read it to mean He made the church through Christ?

 

[Runningman]

Are you correcting the faithful translation of the KJV now? You wouldn't think God made the worlds without the dimension of time right?

We know the world was created at some point in the past. He sent various prophets at different times but in the last days he sent his Son. Yes God sent Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah, Elisha etc to his people and spoke through them.

Christ was coeternal with the Father. Of course the Father made the worlds through his Son.

How did you read it to mean He made the church through Christ?

I am just pointing out that the word for worlds in Hebrews 1:2 just objectively doesn't mean what they say it does, not even close.

Since the one and only God didn't speak through His Son until the last days, then it wouldn't make sense to say God spoke through His Son to make the worlds in these last days because they used the wrong word. It's actually supposed to be be ages. When that is understood, it's clear what Christ was a participant in God's creation. In the last days God created the church through His Son. The rest of the New Testament confirms this, but we can look at those later if you prefer.

For example, here's the Young's Literal Translation the verse:

Hebrews 1:2
in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;