Did Cain Know??

[Lockheed]

Well.. it does have something to do with Cain and Abel. The Seed of the woman is Christ, whereas the seed of the serpent is all those who follow after him.



How!? You ask? (No, I ain't talkin 'serpent seed' either... )

1 John 3:10

By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

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By this measurement, Cain was a 'child' of the devil. Sure he was still a bearer of the image of God but he did not have faith. As Christ says in John 8...

John 8:44

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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The Pharisees were likewise the children of satan, wanting to do what he wanted. But so are we all, prior to God making us alive in Christ:

Eph 2:1-3

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

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From the very beginning (Gen 3) this distinction between the "sons of light" and the "sons of darkness" (John 12:36, 1 Thes 5:5) is made evident. Cain walked in the likeness of his father, Adam who obeyed the serpent, doing the deeds of Adam and sinning against God whose Law was revealed in the very nature of the universe and even written on Cain's heart.


Abel, on the otherhand, believed in God and offered God from his faith, proving he was a "child of light", a son of God through the true Seed of Eve and the Seed of Abraham: Christ. In a sense then, Abel was a son of Abraham who had yet to be born! (Gal 3:7) Abel's faithfulness was evidence of God's graciousness to him by which he believed. Thus from the beginning of the Bible the Gospel is evident.

 

[2Timothy2]

2 Tim - We're trackin' just fine now. BTW "Woof" means I'm being DOGmatic. (Dumb dog-owner joke.)

Oh, that was really bad.

 

[Lockheed]

Oh, that was really bad.

Just wait till the cow jokes start.

 

[2Timothy2]

 

[MbiaJc]

2 Tim - We're trackin' just fine now. BTW "Woof" means I'm being DOGmatic. (Dumb dog-owner joke.)

MbiaJc - I think we agree fully in our first paragraphs, not sure why you start with "no". One can only please God by grace through faith in His Son.

Otherwise... RIGHT ON!

Hi Lockheed thanks again for the blessings.

The No was because you said Cain's offering was rejected because it was not given in faith.

It was rejected because because Cain is like so many today. Knowing what God says they think they can please God on their own terms.

We please God by the Grace of God through the "faith of His Son". Not in His son but of His Son.

 

[GreenEyedLady]

Hi Lockheed thanks again for the blessings.

The No was because you said Cain's offering was rejected because it was not given in faith.

It was rejected because because Cain is like so many today. Knowing what God says they think they can please God on their own terms.

We please God by the Grace of God through the "faith of His Son". Not in His son but of His Son.

Lockheed is right on. I can tell he has studied this out.
Cain had faith in his offering, his work, not in Gods grace. Cain gave his offering out of respect of God, but it was not an offering with the same faith Able gave his. This is confirmed in Hebrews 11.
GEL

 

[Lockheed]

The No was because you said Cain's offering was rejected because it was not given in faith.

It was rejected because because Cain is like so many today.

I don't usually say this, but I think we're agreeing in a round about way.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.

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Abel's offering was accepted because it was given by faith. This is an ongoing theme in Scripture: faith vs flesh. As you said: "Knowing what God says they think they can please God on their own terms"<-- that is not faith, and whatever is not of faith is sin.

 

[MbiaJc]

I don't usually say this, but I think we're agreeing in a round about way.

Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.



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Abel's offering was accepted because it was given by faith. This is an ongoing theme in Scripture: faith vs flesh. As you said: "Knowing what God says they think they can please God on their own terms"<-- that is not faith, and whatever is not of faith is sin.

Amen

 

[MbiaJc]

Lockheed is right on. I can tell he has studied this out.
Cain had faith in his offering, his work, not in Gods grace. Cain gave his offering out of respect of God, but it was not an offering with the same faith Able gave his. This is confirmed in Hebrews 11.
GEL

Exactly the only thing Cain believed in was his own works. That is not believing in the "Faith of His Son". Cain knew exactly what God required but he thought his rightousness was as good as God's rightousness. And that is exactly what is happening in so many Churches today. I have had them tell me, we don't care what the Bible says that not the way we do things.?????????????????