Did Adam and Eve have blood before they sinned?

[iksnabul]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

 

[Naomi4Christ]

Is there any reason to suggest that oxygen did not transfer from the lungs to the body cells via blood, or indeed carbon dioxide and waste products did not need blood?

It's important to recognise that the bible tells us what we need to know and not necessarily what we want to know.

 

[BigNorsk]

No blood would be inconsistent with the biblical teaching that the life is in the blood. If Adam and Eve were alive, and I believe they were, then they would have had blood.

Marv

 

[IamAdopted]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

So blood did not come into our bodies until after sin? Where is that written.. God re created us after the fall?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned?

Interesting thread. The first time "blood" is used is when Abel slew Cain. Curious that in the Hebrew, it show blood as plural.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

dam (Strong's 01818) occurs 361 times in 295 verses:

Genesis 4: 8 And Cain/Qayin is saying to Abel, brother of him, and he is becoming in to be them in field and Cain is rising to Abel, brother of him, and he is killing him.
9 And Y@hovah is saying to Cain: "where is Abel your brother"? And he is saying: Not I know, guarding of brother of me I?
10 And He is saying: "what you did? Voice of bloods of brother of you, one crying to Me from the ground.
11 And now being cursed you from the ground, which she opens wide <ath> mouth of her to take <ath> bloods of brother of you, from hand of you.

 

[Rut]

Wasn`t Adem not alive when he got Eve? Yes he was and because of that I think they have already blood when the was perfect Lev 17:11,14

 

[jsimms615]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

I think your reading too much into the text. I think we can assume that his body was much like ours and had blood.

 

[SeraphimSarov]

I tend to agree with BigNorsk here, but
It's important to recognise that the bible tells us what we need to know and not necessarily what we want to know.
is right on.

 

[JohnBrown]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

You know, I've wondered this myself...but I hadn't noticed that about Adam's statement. Great insight.

We can also see something simular here; where the risen Christ appears before the disciples:


Luke 24
6 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you." 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 " See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."


Notice that Jesus doesn't mention blood, which strikes me as strange since the blood is what redeemed us of sin.

 

[JohnBrown]

No blood would be inconsistent with the biblical teaching that the life is in the blood. If Adam and Eve were alive, and I believe they were, then they would have had blood.

Marv

Maybe Adam's life was sustained through the Spirit of God. That God Himself was their life's "blood" so to speak. Maybe when Adam fell, the Spirit of God left Him and He died spiritually and physical blood was put in its place. Eternal life was replaced by mortal life....AKA "blood"..which is only capable of sustaining mortal life.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily what happened...who knows...but it is certainly worth discussion.

 

[Melethiel]

I think that it's reading too much into "flesh and bones." It's just a figure of speech.

 

[artjack]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

yes, you can be suse they had blood because jesus said from from the heart come all evil intentions,the heart needs blood to work therefore they had blood because it is a fact they sinned.

 

[IamAdopted]

God created Man.. Flesh and bones. He designed our bodies.. He didn't man as an angel He created them man.. We have to have the blood for our oxygen and life.. If somone cuts and artry they will bleed to death.. For the life is in the blood.. Even when someone is declared brain dead they still can be kept alive with machines that will still give them the heart beat and oxygen.. If the heart does not get the oxygen it needs it will stop..

 

[JohnBrown]

Through my interactions with fellow Christians I’ve noticed what I believe is a common misunderstanding. While the belief that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in a physical body is commonly accepted; many people fail to make the connection with what they believe in regards to the afterlife. They have developed a belief that their existence in the afterlife will consist solely of a spiritual one; like that of a ghost or phantom. There seems to be a disconnect from the teachings of the bodily resurrection as described in the Scriptures. Death is confused with non-existence; instead of what it really means, which is a separation of existence from the body.


Although the Resurrection is a fundamental concept of Christianity; I believe that the misunderstanding regarding a physical Resurrection can be traced back to well know verse found in the book of 1st Corinthians. This verse is stated as such:

1 Corinthians 15
50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.



Now given a reading of that verse by itself, it is easy to see how it could be interpreted to mean that there will be no physical existence in the kingdom of God; that when we die and go to Heaven, we’ll be spirits. The problem we have with this interpretation is that it contradicts with what we are clearly shown in other parts of the Scripture. Let’s take for example the account that is recorded in the Gospel of Luke where the resurrected Christ appears to the disciples.


Luke 24
6 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be to you." 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit.
38 And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39 " See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."



Here we see Jesus making it perfectly clear that He is raised not as a spirit but that He has risen in a body made up of flesh and bone; in other words that He has a physical body. We also know from the Gospel accounts that the tomb was found empty with nothing left of Jesus but the burial wrappings which would mean that the very physical body that died was raised and changed into the imperishable physical body that Jesus now inhabits. We can also see the physical resurrection described in the words of Job.

Job 19
25"As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives,
And at the last He will take His stand on the earth.
26 "Even after my skin is destroyed,
Yet from my flesh I shall see God;
27 Whom I myself shall behold,
And whom my eyes will see and not another.

Here again we see the Biblical concept of the Resurrection being one that involves a physical resurrection of the body; Job even goes as far as to say that even after his skin is destroyed, that he would see God from his flesh. If Job is raised from the dead and actually seeing God, it is only logical that this is happening in the afterlife, so what are we to make of 1st Corinthians 15:50 then? As with any difficult verse in the Bible I personally believe that the best course of action is to examine the other verses in the Bible that use this same wording to see if it brings a clearer understanding of the text.


By examining the use of the phrase flesh and blood in other sections of Scripture, it is apparent that it can also be synonymous with the fallen sinful nature of man. For example, when Jesus is speaking to Peter as recorded in the Gospel of Matthew as follows;

Matthew 16
15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.


In context with what Jesus is saying here; we can see that He is not talking about Peter’s physical body being the flesh and blood, but of his sinful fallen nature. Jesus is pointing out that because of Peter’s fallen nature that he would have never come to this conclusion on his own. Again we see the phrase flesh and blood used the book of Galatians chapter 1 verse 16 where Paul says that he didn’t “immediately consult with flesh and blood” It seems obvious to me here that Paul isn’t talking about the physical flesh but of fallen and sinful man. One of the more recognizable passages that contain this phrase also brings clarification to this subject. Ephesians chapter 6 verse 12 reads as follows;

Ephesians 6
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
This verse is best understood to have more than one layer of understanding; obviously the Christian doesn’t physically oppose other people but on a deeper understanding, it is not referring to the physical body but of the sinful nature that resides in men. Our struggle is not against the sinful nature that resides in men, but the spiritual forces of evil influencing him.



Now with that being said, it brings us back to 1 Corinthians 15:50 “ Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.” Is this passage telling us that a physical body can not inherit the kingdom of God? Other than the better understanding of the phrase flesh and blood, solid proof that it isn’t talking about a physical body can be found in the very same chapter. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 states;

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.


Now some people will try and say that the term “spiritual body” is merely a body consisting of spirit; a sort of ghostly intangible body. The problem with that interpretation is that they haven’t actually looked into the actual Greek term being used here. The Greek term used here is pnumaticas soma; the Greek word “soma” translated as “body” in the Scripture can only be used to describe something physical. Hence a person reading this in the original language could have only understood it to mean a physical body that is spiritual in nature and is not subject to decay.

Now at this point I would like to bring your attention back to the account that is recorded in the Gospel of Luke where the resurrected Christ appears to the disciples. Christ clearly makes a point to show the disciples that He was resurrected and had a physical body. What I would like to point out is the phrase that He used to describe it. He didn’t use the term flesh and blood, but instead said, “flesh and bones”. This phrase reminds me of someone else that commented on his flesh and bones, the first man Adam. When God presented him with his bride Eve, Adam is recorded in Genesis as stating, “bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh”.


Is it possible that before the fall of man, Adam and Eve had spiritual bodies of flesh and bone that didn’t require the life sustaining properties of blood? Could it be that Adam's life was sustained through the Spirit of God? That God Himself was their life's "blood" so to speak. It could be that when Adam fell, the Spirit of God left him, he died spiritually removing the life sustaining force and physical blood was put in its place. Eternal life was replaced by mortal life powered by the life in the blood, which is perishable and only capable of sustaining mortal life. As it is, in our mortal bodies, blood nourishes the cells that are in need of constant repair. It supplies the necessary elements to keep our bodies alive. In our frail and presently untransformed state, the life of the flesh is in the blood just as it’s stated in Leviticus chapter 17. But just as the Last Adam (Christ Jesus) was resurrected from the dead and transformed with a glorified body that maintains it’s eternal life force from God Himself, we too who believe in Him will be transformed as He is.

 

[sawdust]

Here's a mind blowing question for a Saturday morning. Since Adam said to God when God brought Eve to him, " this bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, " and made no mention of blood in the garden, can one assume that there was no blood in the garden until Adam sinned? There would be no need because the shedding of blood is what cleanses us from sin. So when Adam sinned he not only died spiritually, but took on a corporal body, therefore had to be thrown out of the garden. When Jesus emptied Himself of blood on the cross, He got a bloodless uncorruptable body like Adam had in the garden. That's why Jesus is the second Adam, who gives us access to God.

I don't think it necessary to make that assumption.

Christ's body was exactly like Adam's pre-fall body, without sin. Christ started bleeding (through the whipping/beating etc) prior to being placed upon the Cross which is where our sins are nailed.

I do think it significant in regards to what you mention regarding flesh and bones, however I don't think it is significant in the sense of "no blood".

peace

 

[Tyndale]

Interesting topic this.

Ever heard of the healing power of light, using Ultraviolet light? The Germans invented a technique at the start of the century, the technique is merely using UV light to stimulate the immune system, blood and various enzyme systems. It is a tested and proven therapy that has accomplished incredibly miraculous cures with absolutely no side effects, and yet until recently it has been suppressed and ignored by American medicine.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

quote John Brown....................Is it possible that before the fall of man, Adam and Eve had spiritual bodies of flesh and bone that didn&#8217;t require the life sustaining properties of blood? Could it be that Adam's life was sustained through the Spirit of God? That God Himself was their life's "blood" so to speak. It could be that when Adam fell, the Spirit of God left him, he died spiritually removing the life sustaining force and physical blood was put in its place. Eternal life was replaced by mortal life powered by the life in the blood, which is perishable and only capable of sustaining mortal life. As it is, in our mortal bodies, blood nourishes the cells that are in need of constant repair. It supplies the necessary elements to keep our bodies alive. In our frail and presently untransformed state, the life of the flesh is in the blood just as it&#8217;s stated in Leviticus chapter 17. But just as the Last Adam (Christ Jesus) was resurrected from the dead and transformed with a glorified body that maintains it&#8217;s eternal life force from God Himself, we too who believe in Him will be transformed as He is.

I wonder if they were eating from the Tree of Life which sustained them.
I was translating Genesis from the Hebrew and noticed something rather odd.

This interlinear shows it as the "tree of the Living Ones", plural. And it doesn't appear to show adam as being physcially "dead" but still dying. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Gene 2:8 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is planting him [a] garden in Eden from east, and He is putting/setting there the 'adam, whom He forms/yatsar.
9 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is springing forth out of the ground every tree coveted to sight, and good for food, and [a] tree of the living ones in midst of the garden, and tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Gene 5:5 And they are becoming all of days of Adam which he lives nine hundreds year and thirty year and he is dying [1 corin 15:22].

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in the Adam all are dying, even so in the Christ all shall be being made alive.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

bump......interesting thread.

 

[Rut]

I wonder if they were eating from the Tree of Life which sustained them.
I was translating Genesis from the Hebrew and noticed something rather odd.

This interlinear shows it as the "tree of the Living Ones", plural. And it doesn't appear to show adam as being physcially "dead" but still dying. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Gene 2:8 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is planting him [a] garden in Eden from east, and He is putting/setting there the 'adam, whom He forms/yatsar.
9 And Yahweh 'Elohiym is springing forth out of the ground every tree coveted to sight, and good for food, and [a] tree of the living ones in midst of the garden, and tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Gene 5:5 And they are becoming all of days of Adam which he lives nine hundreds year and thirty year and he is dying [1 corin 15:22].

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in the Adam all are dying, even so in the Christ all shall be being made alive.

Intresting.

My idea about dying are that we are dying even if we don`t have any sickness yet.We are unperfect and every day we come near the death until the Paradise come.After 25 years old we get older in the body we reproduce us self slower etc
I hope you understand what I mean

 

[Ave Maria]

Of course they had blood before they sinned. Blood is an essential part of the human body system. Without it we would die.