Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

Jazer · Sep 18, 2011

Nostromo said:
Would you be willing to bet everything you own on it?

No, why should I? Not that everything I own matters that much. I have lived out of a back pack or a duffle bag for long enough periods of time that I know it is no big deal. As long as you can come up with the money to buy a pizza on friday everything is just fine. Although in Hong Kong I had to pay $26 for a Pizza Hut Pizza once for them to deliver it. But now I am on a salt restricted diet I am only allowed one piece of thin crust anyways.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2011

Jazer said:
Yes, a nuclear cleansing.

Are you basing this on Ezekiel 39?

Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

I think it was Hal Lindsey who pointed out that, according to verse 15, people will go out and put markers next to bones, and then a burial crew will come along along and bury them -- since they are radioactive.

It will take 7 months for the battlefield to be completely mapped, and the bodies buried (i.e., disposed of properly).

Jazer · Sep 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
It will take 7 months for the battlefield to be completely mapped, and the bodies buried (i.e., disposed of properly).

It is not a job I would want. Some people seem to be able to deal with it though. In fact I just read on Forbes that Firefighters tend to be happy people because they are doing so much to help others.

Astridhere · Sep 18, 2011

RomanSoldier said:
Forget about creation, evolution, and the flood, lets talk about important stuff! Did Adam and Eve have a belly button (umbilicus for you scientific types)? Musta looked weird without one ehh? Of course neither had a need for one because they were both just whipped up by God in the Garden. No actual birth took place so no belly button. I will go to sleep tonight pondering this great mystery. Seacrest out.

Please do not loose any sleep. You have worked it out for yourself. Of course Adam and Eve were not created with belly buttons as they were not born. That would only look weird to you because you are used to seeing them there.

In the coalecsence and animation of the first creations there would be no resulting navel required. The same goes for all the initial creation of placental mammals. God as a deity knows much more about physics and chemistry than mankind does, so the use of a science we have yet to comprehend is to be expected. Given science has shown life is nothing more than atoms rearranged just so the notion of a super powerful and all knowing God using this knowledge in his creation is not so grandious. This is the creationists abiogenesis and is as theoretical at the present as is the evolutionary abiogenesis.

The better question is when, where, how and why do evolutionists think the first navel came about in placental mammals when a supposed mammal like reptile decided egg laying was no longer the way to go. Do you suppose an umbilical cord evolved first and attached to an egg?

Many suggest God cannot create 'it' but evolution can. I do not believe evolution is smarter than God.

Nostromo · Sep 18, 2011

Jazer said:
No, why should I?

Why not, it's not like it's going to be worth anything when it's a nuclear wasteland.

SkyWriting · Sep 18, 2011

Exiledoomsayer said:
I bet next you'll be telling us about how eyewithnessess are the most reliable form of evidence.

Juries decide what has value and no one else.

Nostromo · Sep 18, 2011

Except the legislature.

Oh, and judges.

And social scientists.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2011

RomanSoldier said:
Forget about creation, evolution, and the flood, lets talk about important stuff! Did Adam and Eve have a belly button (umbilicus for you scientific types)? Musta looked weird without one ehh? Of course neither had a need for one because they were both just whipped up by God in the Garden. No actual birth took place so no belly button. I will go to sleep tonight pondering this great mystery. Seacrest out.

By the way, Seacrest; just perusing this OP again, and I noticed a little something.

Adam wasn't 'whipped up by God in the Garden' -- he was 'whipped up' elsewhere, then placed in the Garden.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

You need to get your facts from the Bible, not a cookbook.

Tinker Grey · Sep 18, 2011

Oops, dude, you're out of Genesis 1. You lose.

Jazer · Sep 18, 2011

Nostromo said:
Why not, it's not like it's going to be worth anything when it's a nuclear wasteland.

You just have to get off the power grid and out of the city. They do not want to kill everyone, they just want to reduce the population down to about 2 billion people. China already brags about having reduced the population by 600 million through "family planning". So with a population of maybe 7 billion all in all they have been able to reduce that by 1 billion. Mostly though abortions and other forms of "planned parenthood". Although genocide in the form of ethnic cleansing does play a part also. Actually Russia is the one with the power to destroy us right now. I do not think they are interested anymore. But that does not mean they will not sell the weapons to the Muslims who would be delighted and dancing in the streets if they could buy those weapons to use against us.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2011

Jazer said:
They do not want to kill everyone, they just want to reduce the population down to about 2 billion people.

When scientists started preaching overpopulation, countries responded with birth control programs and infanticide options on their unborn.

The result of this void in demographics allowed Muslims, who have seven and eight children per family, to move into countries like Spain, where having two children is considered having a lot; and tipping the scales in their favor.

Today, Internet scientists scratch themselves to death wondering why Muslims are growing so fast, while Christianity seems to be waning.

Jazer · Sep 18, 2011

AV1611VET said:
When scientists started preaching overpopulation, countries responded with birth control programs and infanticide options on their unborn.

The only place I see a problem with over population is a few of the big cities. They do not seem to be complaining.

AV1611VET · Sep 18, 2011

Jazer said:
The only place I see a problem with over population is a few of the big cities. They do not seem to be complaining.

It's interesting that in Dicken's, A Christmas Carol, Scrooge, in a discussion about people dying of hunger, says: "... then let them do it, and decrease the surplus population."

This shows me that scientists were harping about overpopulation back in the 19th century.

God: "Replenish the earth."
Science: "Beware of overpopulation."

dad · Sep 18, 2011

Jazer said:
18 years marks the 2000 year anniversary of the Christian Church. Although I have heard that some people believe the church began when Jesus was born in 4 bc. That would have been the year 1996. I go by the first pentecost in the year 20ad. I go by the Friday April 13, 2029 date that we get from NASA. Also the Sunday April 13 2036 with the 1 in 45000 using standard dynamical models. So with odds of 1 in 45000 perhaps your justified in being a polyanna. One way or the other you will hear a lot more about this as the day comes near so you can say you heard it first here.

So where did you hear it? I have no idea why 2000 years from the start of the church would matter. Does that make me Polyannaish?

As far as the tribulation is concerned. It may or may not begin in or around the year 2030.

Well, I suppose we could apply that to almost any year! It may or may not be the time!

But one thing is for sure, someone somewhere is going to have a disaster between now and then and it would be a very good idea for them to "get a grip" and prepare themselves. New Orleans needed to be prepared. On 911 NY needed to be prepared for their disaster. In Haiti they needed to be prepared for 1000 fires and the looting after the earthquake. Japan and Thailand needed to be prepared.

Having a little water available for a disaster is not to be compared with how we are to be ready for the day when we will be raised in a twinkling of an eye.

Perhaps you will sail on by and never have a problem. But even as a boy scout we were told to be prepared. Because in the next 18 years someone somewhere is going to deal with disaster and they need to be ready. But if you want to live in a Polyanna world, go right ahead and do just that.

Not sure what being prepared is supposed to mean or what some disaster has to do with how long a day is, or when Jesus receives us unto Himself?

Nostromo · Sep 19, 2011

Jazer said:
You just have to get off the power grid and out of the city. They do not want to kill everyone, they just want to reduce the population down to about 2 billion people. China already brags about having reduced the population by 600 million through "family planning". So with a population of maybe 7 billion all in all they have been able to reduce that by 1 billion. Mostly though abortions and other forms of "planned parenthood". Although genocide in the form of ethnic cleansing does play a part also.

You go hide in your tent then.

Actually Russia is the one with the power to destroy us right now. I do not think they are interested anymore. But that does not mean they will not sell the weapons to the Muslims who would be delighted and dancing in the streets if they could buy those weapons to use against us.

Yeah, after the whole Afghanistan/Chechnya thing, the Russians probably can't wait to sell nukes to Muslims.

Nostromo · Sep 19, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Today, Internet scientists scratch themselves to death wondering why Muslims are growing so fast, while Christianity seems to be waning.

Why would you think there was any confusion as to how and why it's happening?

Nostromo · Sep 19, 2011

AV1611VET said:
It's interesting that in Darwin's, A Christmas Carol, Scrooge, in a discussion about people dying of hunger, says: "... then let them do it, and decrease the surplus population."

This shows me that scientists were harping about overpopulation back in the 19th century.

God: "Replenish the earth."
Science: "Beware of overpopulation."

One track mind AV. Dickens, not Darwin.

sandwiches · Sep 19, 2011

Nostromo said:
One track mind AV. Dickens, not Darwin.

LOL
Nice catch!

Skaloop · Sep 19, 2011

AV1611VET said:
The result of this void in demographics allowed Muslims, who have seven and eight children per family, to move into countries like Spain, where having two children is considered having a lot; and tipping the scales in their favor.

Spain is 73% Catholic, 22% non-religious, and Muslims make up a portion of the remaining 5%. How are they tipping the scales in their favour?

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 18, 2011

Skaloop said:
Spain is 73% Catholic, 22% non-religious, and Muslims make up a portion of the remaining 5%. How are they tipping the scales in their favour?

And one thing they all have in common is.....they all have belly buttons

Did Adam and Eve have a belly button?

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