Times of Ignorance. Current Church age deception with verses

[Eliyah Moshiach]

Show me one study you've put down on paper. You seem to be good at attacking someone else's study that's all scripture rightly divided. You have zero evidence that supports your claim that my study is wrong. Show me where I'm wrong. I honestly want to know. Give me scriptures to correct me and we can go from there.

I think it's important to approach these things with humility and a willingness to learn from each other. As for my study, I’m still working on it and don't have it fully laid out yet, but I’d be happy to share what I’ve found so far. Let’s look at the scriptures together and see where they take us. We might not always agree, but I believe honest, respectful conversations can help us all grow.

 

[Dale]

Synagogue is a place where Jews gathered for worship, instruction, and assembly.

Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.

Legion: “Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.”

A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building.

 

[Dale]

Acts 17:30 KJV — And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Now you point to Acts 17, specifically Acts 17:30. When we look at the whole passage it does not point to a “church age” as a time of ignorance. It says that the time when people were worshiping multiple gods, and idols, were a time of ignorance.

{17:22} Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. {17:23} For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. {17:24} God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; {17:25} Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; {17:26} And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; {17:27} That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: {17:28} For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. {17:29} Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. {17:30} And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: {17:31} Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men,] in that he hath raised him from the dead.​

--Acts 17:22-30 KJV

The ignorance that Paul is talking about is idolatry, as we wee in Acts 17:29, the verse before the one you quote, which continues the same thought.

The age of paganism and idolatry were the times of ignorance, and by contrast the church age is a time of enlightenment.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Acts 17:30 KJV — And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

This simply speaks about the times pre incarnation and post incarnation with the fulfilment of the Gospel. That is all.

 

[Legion7777777]

Legion: “Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.”

A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building.

Legion: “Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.”

A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building.

Legion: “Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.”

A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building.

Thats exactly right

 

[Legion7777777]

This simply speaks about the times pre incarnation and post incarnation with the fulfilment of the Gospel. That is all.

This is after Christ has risen and they are still putting themselves under the law, worshipping in temples made with hands. Baptism is done by the Holy Ghost at this point

 

[Legion7777777]

Now you point to Acts 17, specifically Acts 17:30. When we look at the whole passage it does not point to a “church age” as a time of ignorance. It says that the time when people were worshiping multiple gods, and idols, were a time of ignorance.

{17:22} Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. {17:23} For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. {17:24} God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; {17:25} Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; {17:26} And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; {17:27} That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: {17:28} For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. {17:29} Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. {17:30} And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: {17:31} Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men,] in that he hath raised him from the dead.​

--Acts 17:22-30 KJV

The ignorance that Paul is talking about is idolatry, as we wee in Acts 17:29, the verse before the one you quote, which continues the same thought.

The age of paganism and idolatry were the times of ignorance, and by contrast the church age is a time of enlightenment.

They are worshiping in temples made with hands. Thats the warning. Christ did away with the temple because it became corrupt. Satan runs the earth church. Can we agree on that? Anything God puts together, Satan counterfeits it. Why did Christ pull Paul out of the Temple system to become his apostle? Also who Killed Christ?

Thank you for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree

 

[Legion7777777]

Legion: “Church- a building designed for public forms of worship, assembly, instruction.”

A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building.

This is exactly what Paul is stating in acts 17. Exactly what you said. "A church is a body of people. A Christian Church is a body of committed Christians. The church is the Bride of Christ, and the Bride of Christ is certainly not a building."

We don't get to have it both ways. You have to choose one

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

This is after Christ has risen and they are still putting themselves under the law, worshipping in temples made with hands. Baptism is done by the Holy Ghost at this point

Not so with baptism, not according to Christ's command, nor by the example set by His Apostles and the ECF. Baptism is by water and the Word, and imparts forgiveness of sins. It is a means of grace, a sacrament.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

They are worshiping in temples made with hands. Thats the warning. Christ did away with the temple because it became corrupt. Satan runs the earth church. Can we agree on that? Anything God puts together, Satan counterfeits it. Why did Christ pull Paul out of the Temple system to become his apostle? Also who Killed Christ?

Thank you for the reply. I understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree

No, after the crucifixion God ceased to dwell in the Temple; there was no need since the incarnate deity of Jesus Christ now dwells among us and we need no earthly intercessors or High Priests to make sacrifices to God. Christ's sacrifice is once and for all.

 

[Legion7777777]

No, after the crucifixion God ceased to dwell in the Temple; there was no need since the incarnate deity of Jesus Christ now dwells among us and we need no earthly intercessors or High Priests to make sacrifices to God. Christ's sacrifice is once and for all.

No what? I agree with you

 

[Legion7777777]

Not so with baptism, not according to Christ's command, nor by the example set by His Apostles and the ECF. Baptism is by water and the Word, and imparts forgiveness of sins. It is a means of grace, a sacrament.

In this current age water baptism is no longer used and is not necessary for salvation.
Ephesians 5:26 KJV — That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

From Water Baptism to Baptism of the Holy Spirit

• Act 18:24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. Act 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spoke and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. Act 18:27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: Act 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

1. Act 19:3-5 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.
2. Which he has shed upon us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior; Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
3. 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
4. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
5. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Mark 2:27,28
Matthew 3:11 KJV — I(John the Baptist) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he(Jesus) that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he(Jesus) shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

No what? I agree with you

Sorry for misunderstanding.

 

[Legion7777777]

You have used a large number of words that God has not said, concerning God. I am therefore not concerned with your study. You might consider searching in the Gospels, in the words Christ the Lord Personally said, for the word "reasoning".

People have issues seeing this because denominational teachings blinds them from the Gospel of Christ. The Gospel of Christ fights the teachings of men to free individuals from bondage. If an individual doesnt come out from them(man made religion), they can never understand what the Gospel of Christ is. People get easily offended when they find out what they have taken as their truth turned out to be a complete lie. Christ offended many, they killed him for telling the Truth. The Truth of Christ shuts the doors of every single denomination on Earth.

 

[ARBITER01]

People have issues seeing this because denominational teachings blinds them from the Gospel of Christ. The Gospel of Christ fights the teachings of men to free individuals from bondage. If an individual doesnt come out from them(man made religion), they can never understand what the Gospel of Christ is. People get easily offended when they find out what they have taken as their truth turned out to be a complete lie. Christ offended many, they killed him for telling the Truth. The Truth of Christ shuts the doors of every single denomination on Earth.

Oh my,.......

I guess I should just up and leave my AOG church and become a monk.

 

[Legion7777777]

Oh my,.......

I guess I should just up and leave my AOG church and become a monk.

Oh my,.......

I guess I should just up and leave my AOG church and become a monk.

So move from one denomination to another? Monks have their own denominations. AOG and Monks are the same thing, different doctrines.

 

[ARBITER01]

So move from one denomination to another? Monks have their own denominations. AOG and Monks are the same thing, different doctrines.

I guess you have a lack of understanding of sarcasm?

For me,..... I have a relationship with Jesus, so if He wants me to move somewhere or not attend any assembly that is denominational, He would tell me already, but you see, He hasn't made mention of having me do any such thing yet.

He, as well as The Father and The Holy Spirit, are very much involved in my life, so I'll pay attention to them instead of some yahoo that copy pastes a bunch of text on a message board.