Did Abraham observe the Sabbath day?

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Before I answer any more of your questions,

I have no more questions of you at this time.
Much of what I sought to understand about how you are thinking, I found out, and how you stand up
under similar examination as you hold others to.

Many things you wrote seemed not to pinpoint what I asked about.
Some did.
The verses were all good in themselves of course.

Concerning your question to me here about a scripture about Joshua leading the Israelites into a Sabbath
rest? I'll return and address that. You can prepare for what I would say some by reading carefully Hebrews 3:7 - 4:11.

Even if you disagree take it in in the presence of the Lord if you can.

See if you can re-write this so I understand the words I underline and bolded.

For you to claim the Sabbath rest means something different than what God so clearly stated and somehow the Sabbath was changed during to the time of Joshua is not compatible with the rest of God’s Word. For example, when we get to the apostles in the NT who kept every Sabbath day in a holy way Acts 18:4, Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44 just as the commandment states Exo 20:8 is not saying the apostles Canaan rested so I believe it is important to not make the scripture say something its not, because the goal here it follow the will of God and not replace it with our own.

 

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I have no more questions of you at this time.
Much of what I sought to understand about how you are thinking, I found out, and how you stand up
under similar examination as you hold others to.

Many things you wrote seemed not to pinpoint what I asked about.
Some did.
The verses were all good in themselves of course.

Concerning your question to me here about a scripture about Joshua leading the Israelites into a Sabbath
rest? I'll return and address that. You can prepare for what I would say some by reading carefully Hebrews 3:7 - 4:11.

Even if you disagree take it in in the presence of the Lord if you can.

See if you can re-write this so I understand the words I underline and bolded.

I have prayerfully studied Hebrews 3:7 to 4:11 many times and I would suggest you also add Psalms 95 in your studies as it is a direct reference.

In the verses you referenced not once does it say Joshua led the Isralites into Sabbath rest. The only way this works is if one adds the word “Sabbath” to the rest in Christ, but then it would not be God’s Word, it would be mans. There are two different rests, not one. I provided the Greek words for both rests referenced in these passages, but for some reason that seems to be ignored.

Consider this….. God just gave the Israelites the Ten Commandments- spoken by God, written by God (can you imagine) and told not to add to or subtract from the commandments Deut 4:2. The Israelites would have entered into the land of Canaan much sooner had it not been for their disobedience, which is why another day was spoken of, it does not say another Sabbath day. There is no reference that the Israelites entered Canaan on the seventh day Sabbath- which is the day of God’s Sabbath according to God who gave it both spoken and written in very clear words. Exo 20:10

40 years later Moses reviewed these same commandments to the Israelites before entering into Canaan Deut 5:12-15- the Sabbath is still on the seventh day

During the trial of the Israelites many of them profaned the Sabbath and God consumed them in the wilderness

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Eze 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

So if your claim is the seventh day Sabbath commandment some how became rest in Canaan than why were the Israelites consumed and not able to enter Canaan due to their rebellion and disobedience because they greatly profaned God’s Sabbath that is a commandment of God Exo 20:8-11 that Moses just reviewed and told them to diligently keep Deut 6:17 forever Deut 7:9. Sorry I hope you see this is illogical that the Sabbath was changed to mean something different than what God wrote and God spoke and Moses just reviewed and it now means entering into Canaan makes no sense and it goes against God’s spoken and written Word as we are told not to add to or subtract from His commandments Deut 4:2. for good reason, not does it reconcile with the rest of God’s Word.

Hebrews 3-4 is warning for us - to not follow the same path of rebellion and disobedience as the Israelites Hebrews 4:6 Hebrews 4:11 and doing so one will not enter into Christ’s rest, which is not the definition or the greek word for Sabbath rest. Because the Israelites profaned the Sabbath in the wilderness and we are not to follow their same path of rebellion and disobedience which is why the Sabbath-rest Heb 4:9 NIV remains (means not changed) for God‘s people, the Greek word in verse 9 literally translates into Sabbath-keeping, because God’s people keep God’s commandments Rev 14:12 through love and faith 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 the way God wrote and God spoke and not what was changed by man we were warned about Dan 7:25. To enter into Christ rest one must ALSO cease from their works as God did from His. Heb 4:10 NIV When did God cease from His works? This very passage tells us on the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 which is a direct reference to the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:11 and creation Gen 2:1-3

Context dictates when it is the Sabbath rest and when it is the rest Christ gives and they are not the same. I personally think we should head the warning in this passage because I do not think its wise to follow the same path of disobedience and expect a different result, but God gives us free will to test any theory we want, but He pleas with us not to harden our hearts in rebellion like the test in the wilderness Heb 3:7-8 because we are in our test today and our canaan is God’s heavenly kingdom. In God’s rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, just peace. Isa 48:18


Isaiah 56 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

 

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I have prayerfully studied Hebrews 3:7 to 4:11 many times and I would suggest you also add Psalms 95 in your studies as it is a direct reference.

I realy enjoyed reading also Psalm 95. What a Psalm!

In the verses you referenced not once does it say Joshua led the Isralites into Sabbath rest.

Don't you see it? So much of the section is about the poor disobdient Hebrews wandering for 40 years in the wilderness.
For if Joshua had brought them into rest, . . . (Heb. 4:a)

Their restless wandering was to come to an end when General Joshua led them to thier destination in the good land.
Then God would rest having achieved His will. And the Hebews would enter into His rest.

The only way this works is if one adds the word “Sabbath” to the rest in Christ, but then it would not be God’s Word, it would be mans.

You should see clearly that the entering and conquest of Canaan for God's purpose was a SABBATH.
The writer is making a strong parallel to the seventh day of creation with Joshua leading Israel OUT of wandering and INTO
the promised land.

You should be careful that your great love for worshipping on Saturday (the 7th day) does not cloud you view of its expanding and deepening significance. You should not fear that it is being taken away from you. Nor should you feel a deepening revelation of the Sabbath is AGAINST your love and practice of Saturday being your main beloved day for worship.

For we who have believed enter into the rest, (4:3a)
We who have believed in Christ enter into Sabbath.
Do not read this as "we who have believed keep the 4th commandment."
Entering into Christ is an entering into rest.

It is an analogy. The hesitating and staggering audience of this letter needed to be encouraged
to enter into the Christ fully. The writer thoughout this section is paralleling the wandering Israelites for 40 years with
the audience wandering in their souls too long in hesitation and not entering into Christ in their spirit.

They shall not enter into My rest!” although the works of creation were completed from the foundation of the world. (v. 3)

"ALTHOUGH . . . " God completed His work of creation and rested on the seventh day, there is still a Sabbath
for the hesitating Jewish believers to enter into.

The consequences of not doing so is serious. Thus the warning.
Don't read this as "Stop celebrating the 7th day Sabbath." That is not what it is saying.
It is saying, "Look, even though there was a divinely sanctioned Sabbath on the seventh day, there still is a need
to enter into God's rest. It is leaving the wandering in the wilderness of the religious soul and entering into Christ in
your regenerated spirit. And that together like an army, like the army of Jehovah being led into Canaan by Joshua."

For He has spoken somewhere concerning the seventh day thus, “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.”
This too shows the writer is making an unmistakable parallel between what God did in Genesis and entering into the Christian "Promises Land". That is the unsearchably rich Christ.

He is trying to get them and us to have a deeper view of this matter of God's rest.
I hope you do not think I am using the book of Hebrews to teach "Stop worshipping on Saturday! The NT is against it!"

No, no, no. That is not the point here. It is Hebrews draws our attention to a deepening revelation of God's rest.

There are two different rests, not one. I provided the Greek words for both rests referenced in these passages, but for some reason that seems to be ignored.

There is in Hebrews the Holy Spirit bringing the new covenant church into a deeper revelation of God's rest - man's rest.
You know all things written in the Old Testament were written for our admonition. Included in that is the example of the 7th day rest.

Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our admonition,
unto whom the ends of the ages have come. (1 Cor. 10:11)

Let us therefore be diligent to enter into that rest lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. (Heb, 4:11)

It would be sad if for the sake of your love for worshipping on Saturday that you have a negative reaction to
this effort of the Holy Spirit. He uses the Sabbath in Genesis as analogy, as type, of the church not hesitating and wandering
in the soul or the old religion of Judaism. Christ is our Joshua. Jesus is Greek for Joshua. He is leading many sons into
the glory of oneness with God through Christ. Here God rests from His work of wroughting Christ into people and His people
rest knowing God has brought them into His eternal purpose in Jesus [Joshua].

Consider this….. God just gave the Israelites the Ten Commandments- spoken by God, written by God (can you imagine) and told not to add to or subtract from the commandments Deut 4:2. The Israelites would have entered into the land of Canaan much sooner had it not been for their disobedience, which is why another day was spoken of, it does not say another Sabbath day.

You are missing the strong parallel.

There is no reference that the Israelites entered Canaan on the seventh day Sabbath- which is the day of God’s Sabbath according to God who gave it both spoken and written in very clear words. Exo 20:10

It is not about Israel entering into Canaan on Saturday. The whole matter of entering victoriously into Canaan under Joshua's leadership is paralleled with resting on the 7th day. And the writer shows even with that historical fact of the Canaanite conquest, there REMAINS STILL a deeper significance. This is for the new covenant believers to enter into the church life saturated with Christ.

They were hesitating. They were tempted to go back to all of the Old Testament things. They are shadows and types of Christ the new covenant One. He is in their our spirit not in our religious soul in which we tend to wander.

This is why verse 12 following verse 11 speaks of the division of the human soul with the human spirit regenerated by Christ the Spirit.
The word of God is a sharp two edged sword causing us to discern - "Ah, this is just ME. And this is Christ in me!"

Without the discernment of our spirit from our soul we would wander aimlessly. We need to recognize
by the living and operative word of God to discern between soul and spirit.

For the word of God is living and operative and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow, and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Heb 4:12)

Now look at the two verses together and try to grasp the connection.

Let us therefore be diligent to enter into that rest lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. (v.11)

For the word of God is living and operative and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow, and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (v.12)

40 years later Moses reviewed these same commandments to the Israelites before entering into Canaan Deut 5:12-15- the Sabbath is still on the seventh day

There is no argument about that. The problem is us seeing the deeper significance of this Sabbath.
You should not resist seeing something more because of fear it may be against your practice of 7th day sanctity.

More than once I encouaged you that Romans 14 concerning regarding a day more important
must be met with tolerance, accomodation, brotherly love, and receiving one another.

If you have been hurt by some "Do not practice the Sabbath on Saturday Christian" I am sorry for you feeling negative about that.
I am not presenting Hebrews to be "anti-Sabbath on Saturday".

During the trial of the Israelites many of them profaned the Sabbath and God consumed them in the wilderness

That is right. This should cause you to see that some were superfiscial. They neither rested from thier sins and God was
not happy that He had achieved in them what He desired. There was still "work" to be done in and on them.

Also ancient Israel's unbelief was punished. A whole generation had their wandering bones bleach in the desert.
God was angry and said such a stubborn unbelieving generation would not enter into His rest - the conquest of Canaan.

“As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter into My rest!” although the works of creation were completed from the foundation of the world.

Here "They" is the whole generation of disbelieving Israel. Whether they kept the 7th day or not.
Together they all did not enter into the rich Good Land where everything was provided for them like milk and honey.
Except for Caleb and Joshua and all the children of that disobedient generation, they did not enter the Sabbath (in the deeper sense) of the good land of Canaan.

And Hebrews is comparing the believers in the new covenant (probably in the city of Jerusalem) who were tempted to RETURN to the Old Covenant, that they must not be like those staggering, hesitating Hebrews after the Exodus.

For He has spoken somewhere concerning the seventh day thus, “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.”
And in this place again, “They shall not enter into My rest!” (vs. 4,5)

This is about God's anger about their failure to enter into Canaan. It is not about His anger that some of them were
defiling the 7th day. Though He was elsewhere rebuking them for THAT, here it is a rebuke for not establishing His kingdom, subduing His enemies, expressing His kingdom of priests in the Good Land of Canaan.

And the church is in the same danger if she does not believe and obey to enter into the rich Christ in our spirit.

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

The writer of Hebrews under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, is talking about entering into the Christ filled church life
in the regenerated spirit rather than wandering in the religious soul.

You have to decide before God whether you are going to hold Hebrews as the oracles of God to the same degree
you hold Exodus.

The Apostle Paul said some who lingered in immaturity and were skeptical of the new covenant apostles
were not being restricted by the apostles. They were being restricted in their own narrowness and immaturity.

Our mouth is opened to you, Corinthians; our heart is enlarged.
You are not constricted in us, but you are constricted in your inward parts.
But for a recompense in kind, I speak as to children, you also be enlarged. (2 Cor. 6:11-13)

We all have that problem from time to time.
It is a fight to go on. It is a fight to let the word of God bring us on.

We often must have the light of the Holy Spirit in His word reveal to us our real motivations for hesitation.

For the word of God is living and operative and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow, and able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

And there is no creature that is not manifest before Him, but all things are naked and laid bare to the eyes of Him to whom we are to give our account. (Heb 4:12,13)

So if your claim is the seventh day Sabbath commandment some how became rest in Canaan

Look, there is a difference between these two statements:

1.) The rest of entering into Canaan replaces the 7th day sanctified for rest.
2.) The enteringt into Canaan is deeper significance of the 7th day sanctified rest.

There a difference in saying:

1.) The entering into the new covenant Christ in our spirit as an assembly to rest replaces the 7th day Sabbath.
and saying:
2.) The entering into the new covenant Christ in our spirit together is a deeper significance of the 7th day Sabbath.

Sorry I hope you see this is illogical that the Sabbath was changed to mean something different than what God wrote and God spoke and Moses just reviewed and it now means entering into Canaan makes no sense and it goes against God’s spoken and written Word as we are told not to add to or subtract from His commandments Deut 4:2. for good reason, not does it reconcile with the rest of God’s Word.

You are defensively reactionary to protect your Saturday Sabbath keeping.
You don't want to see how analogy, type, shadow of the Old Testament
is taught to point to a deeper significance about God coming into man.

The Lord said "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."
The opposers of the Lord were furious. They were so sure Jesus was taking away thier much loved artifacts.

And saying, You who destroy the temple and build it up in three days, save Yourself!
If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross! (Matt. 27:40)

He was point to the deeper signficance of the house of God.
They were blinded by their religious tradition.
By His mercy some were unveiled and saw God's Christ.

Now on the earth God lived in the body of a man - Jesus of Nasareth.
If they killed Him (the living dwelling place of God) He would resurrect in three days.

There was the law of keeping the 7th day rest from Mt. Sinai.
There was also the history of God sanctifying it for His rest in Genesis.

The New Testament which is also the speaking of the Spirit of God,
allegorizes these things (not oppose your practice) to deepen or revelation of God's new testament economy.

Your response is like saying because JESUS is Greek Joshua, therefore the NT must be saying don't believe anything
about Joshua anymore.

I have to suspend writing now.

 

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Because the Israelites profaned the Sabbath in the wilderness and we are not to follow their same path of rebellion and disobedience which is why the Sabbath-rest Heb 4:9 NIV remains (means not changed) for God‘s people, the Greek word in verse 9 literally translates into Sabbath-keeping, because God’s people keep God’s commandments

When the twelve spies came back from spying out the good land, only Joshua and Caleb told the people not to fear.
They said that they were well able to take the land. If God is with them those scary giant people would be bread for them
to eat.

But ten of the twelve brought back a discouraging report that they were unable. They caused the people to forget
how powerful and faithful God had been to deliver them from terrible ods in the Exodus. The bad report of the ten
caused unbelief and rebellion to spread. They were about to stone Moses and Aaron and GO BACK to Egypt!

Not a word in that affair says God was punishing them for breaking the Sabbath 7th day.
He was punishing them for the unbelief to boldly go up and take the land for His kingdom.

Context dictates when it is the Sabbath rest and when it is the rest Christ gives and they are not the same.

You can talk about context, context as much as you like. You need LIGHT.
We need the eyes of our heart enlightened.

There is a denomination called Church of Christ - Disciples.
They have something they are so dedicated to - baptismal regeneration.
Baptismal regeneration in THEIR water is so strongly their argument that it seems there is
nothing else they see in the Bible.

No matter what passage you talk about they are trained to related it to baptismal regeneration.
You HAVE to be immersed with an UNDERSTANDING . . . that this baptism in thier water is for the remission of sins.
"And it must be in OUR water".

I think you are gripped with a similar obession. EVERYTHING bends back to "keep the 7th day Sabbath."
You cannot read the book of Hebrews without seeing nothing but proof texts shouting
"You must keep the 7th day Sabbath."

That is all you can see. That is all that fills your heart.
You must by all means defend the keeping of the 4th commandment.

"Context, context, context" is only good if it proves your cherished tradition - Saturday's Sabbath.
This can be obsession psychologically rather than spiritual revelation.

I personally think we should head the warning in this passage because I do not think its wise to follow the same path of disobedience and expect a different result, but God gives us free will to test any theory we want, but He pleas with us not to harden our hearts in rebellion like the test in the wilderness Heb 3:7-8 because we are in our test today and our canaan is God’s heavenly kingdom. In God’s rest there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, just peace. Isa 48:18

I think I have no more to share on this right now.
The last word in this exchange can be yours.

Praise the resurrected and living victorious Lord Jesus - the life giving Spirit with my spirit.

 

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For we who have believed enter into the rest, (4:3a)
We who have believed in Christ enter into Sabbath.

I’m not going to address all of your post because its based on a faulty premise and I am hoping you will look at the evidence and come to realize when we add to God’s Word- it changes the meaning and scripture tells us not to do that because our words are not God’s Word. Pro 30:5-6. We do not enter into Sabbath when we believe in Christ, there is not one scripture passage that says this and the verse you quoted does not say it either. God said we are to keep the Sabbath day holy Exo 20:8 , which is on the seventh day Exo 20:10 In Christ rest we are not in rebellion to Him or His commandments Rom 8:7, which includes the Sabbath commandment. In Christ’s rest there is no rebellion to Him, just peace because one is obeying God Isa 48:18

Here is every translation of Hebrews 4:3 and not one translation uses “Sabbath” for the rest in this verse. At the bottom is the Greek Word and definition of “rest” in this passage that has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment other than we can’t be in rebellion to it to have the rest in Christ as shown by the Israelites Eze 20:13, Eze 20:21 . You seem to be adding Sabbath to this verse, when scripture does’t which changes context and instead of being God’s pure Word its now just man’s word.


New International Version
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

New Living Translation
For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.

English Standard Version
For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Berean Standard Bible
Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said: “So I swore on oath in My anger, ‘They shall never enter My rest.’ ” And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world.

Berean Literal Bible
For those having believed enter into the rest, as He has said: "So I swore in my wrath, 'they shall not enter into My rest.'" And yet the works have been finished from the foundation of the world.

King James Bible
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

New King James Version
For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

New American Standard Bible
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY ANGER, THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

NASB 1995
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

NASB 1977
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Legacy Standard Bible
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” although His works were
finished from the foundation of the world.

Amplified Bible
For we who believe [that is, we who personally trust and confidently rely on God] enter that rest [so we have His inner peace now because we are confident in our salvation, and assured of His power], just as He has said, “AS I SWORE [an oath] IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,” [this He said] although His works were completed from the foundation of the world [waiting for all who would believe].

Christian Standard Bible
For we who have believed enter the rest, in keeping with what he has said, So I swore in my anger, “They will not enter my rest,” even though his works have been finished since the foundation of the world.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
(for we who have believed enter the rest), in keeping with what He has said: So I swore in My anger, they will not enter My rest. And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world,

American Standard Version
For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But we who believe enter into rest, but just as he said, “As I swore in my anger, they shall not enter my rest.” For behold, the works of God have existed from the foundation of the world,

Contemporary English Version
Only people who have faith will enter the place of rest. It is just as the Scriptures say, "God became angry and told the people, 'You will never enter my place of rest!'" God said this, even though everything has been ready from the time of creation.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For we, who have believed, shall enter into rest; as he said: As I have sworn in my wrath; If they shall enter into my rest; and this indeed when the works from the foundation of the world were finished.

English Revised Version
For we which have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We who believe are entering that place of rest. As God said, "So I angrily took a solemn oath that they would never enter my place of rest." God said this even though he had finished his work when he created the world.

Good News Translation
We who believe, then, do receive that rest which God promised. It is just as he said, "I was angry and made a solemn promise: 'They will never enter the land where I would have given them rest!'" He said this even though his work had been finished from the time he created the world.

International Standard Version
We who have believed are entering that rest, just as he has said, "So in my anger I swore a solemn oath that they would never enter my rest," even though his actions had been finished since the creation of the world.

Literal Standard Version
for we enter into the rest—we who believed, as He said, “So I swore in My anger, They will [not] enter into My rest”; and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,

Majority Standard Bible
Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said: “So I swore on oath in My anger, ‘They shall never enter My rest.’” And yet His works have been finished since the foundation of the world.

New American Bible
For we who believed enter into [that] rest, just as he has said: “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter into my rest,’ ” and yet his works were accomplished at the foundation of the world.

NET Bible
For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my anger, 'They will never enter my rest!'" And yet God's works were accomplished from the foundation of the world.

New Revised Standard Version
For we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “As in my anger I swore, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” though his works were finished at the foundation of the world.

New Heart English Bible
For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Webster's Bible Translation
For we who have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Weymouth New Testament
We who have believed are soon to be admitted to the true rest; as He has said, "As I swore in My anger, they shall not be admitted to My rest," although God's works had been going on ever since the creation of the world.

World English Bible
For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Young's Literal Translation
for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, 'So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;' and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,

The definition of rest in this passage which is clearly not the Sabbath rest. We really should not add to what’s not there.

katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Definition: rest
Usage: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think you are gripped with a similar obession. EVERYTHING bends back to "keep the 7th day Sabbath."
You cannot read the book of Hebrews without seeing nothing but proof texts shouting
"You must keep the 7th day Sabbath."

I read what’s there, by not adding anything to it, we can see what God is trying to communicate with us.

That is all you can see. That is all that fills your heart.

Obeying God the way He asks is very important to me and it should be to all. Love to God is a call to action 1 John 5:3 One of the wisest people in scripture said this:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all

Paul in the NT said something similar

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

You must by all means defend the keeping of the 4th commandment.

I do not see the 4th commandment plucked out of the unit of Ten that God wrote and God spoke, just like He did with the other 9 commandments. They are all equally as important as this is God’s divine will for us.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

 

[oikonomia]

I’m not going to address all of your post, but I am hoping you will look at the evidence and come to realize when we add to God’s Word- it changes the meaning and scripture tells us not to do that because our words are not God’s Word.

I also am not going to speak to every English translation. I am not adding to the word of God.

Pro 30:5-6. We do not enter into Sabbath when we believe in Christ,

The Sabbath truth is an ever unfolding truth. Certainly, Christ is our rest AS HE taught.

Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)

There was another instituted celebration called the Jubilee.
Christ also said He was the fulfillment of that acceptable year of the Lord, to release captives, heal the sick, and proclaim liberty.

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to announce the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away in release those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, the year of jubilee.”

And when He rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant, He sat down.
And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
And He began to say to them, Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing. (Luke 4:18-21 comp. Isaiah 61:1-3)

Italicized words above indicate that they are supplied to clarify the meaning.
Every translation is also an interpretation. What we hope for is good interpretations when editors and translators
provide these kinds of helps.

To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, the year of jubilee.”

Someone/s haven't been taking care of you that well if they haven't helped you to see
the reality of the Sabbath is in Christ and the reality of the year of Jubilee is also in Christ.

Do they go through the book of Colossians with you believers?
Maybe they themselves are short of experience.
You have an under appreciation of all the celebrations, feasts, and offerings are pointers to Christ.

Here is every translation of Hebrews 4:3 and not one translation uses “Sabbath” for the rest in this verse. At the bottom is the Greek Word and definition of “rest” in this passage that has nothing to do with the Sabbath commandment other than we can’t be in rebellion to it to have the rest in Christ as shown by the Israelites Eze 20:13, Eze 20:21 . You seem to be adding Sabbath to this verse, when scripture does’t which changes context and instead of being God’s pure Word its now just man’s word.

Show me the word "Sabbath" in these English translations of Genesis 2:3.

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New International Version Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. New Living Translation And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation. English Standard Version So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Also from Biblehub. Three down about twenty nine to go. Not one reads "Sabbath."

katapausis: rest
Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katapausis
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis)
Definition: rest
Usage: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation.

Notice at the bottom it says Usage: (in the Old Testament . . . )
There is the New Testament usage in Hebrews in this sentence.

For we who have believed enter into the rest, . . .

The "we" there is the writer, a new testament minister, and his believing audience of Jewish men and women who
are new covenant believers. The "we" there also means fellow Christian readers of this New Testament book.
That would be the Christian church universal.

You have to be enlarged to see something further about God's rest.

For He has spoken somewhere concerning the seventh day thus, “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.”
And in this place again, “They shall not enter into My rest!” (Heb. 4:4,5)

If you argue that there is only the seventh day Sabbath and no other significance then this verse
If saying God was so angry that He would not allow them practice the seventh days Sabbath.

But that would be against everything you are trying to teach - no matter WHAT the Sabbath has to be practiced.

So the rest in this book is allegorically used to symbolize the enjoyment of Christ and the church.

You have in the Bible:
1.) the Sabbath means the 7th day of creation week.
2.) the Sabbath means the rest of entering and conquering Canaan following Joshua.
3.) Jesus Christ Himself as the rest He calls His believers to come to in Him.
4.) the healthy Christ filled new testament church life.
5.) the one thousand year millennial kingdom for the overcomers of both testaments.
6.) the final eternal Sabbath of the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and new earth.

What each of these steps have in common is an expansion of God expressed in man and reigning through man.
Genesis 1:26,27 is the seed. Man created to express the image of God and tohave dominion on behalf of God through Him.

Just as God did not make everything for the world of man in one day.
God progressively did many things gradually for six days.
So the truth of the rest of God and man is progressively unfolded, growing, deepening, pointing to deeper fulfillement
of the divine plan of God for man.

Colossians told us the same about so many matters in the Old Testament.

Let no one therefore judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect of a feast or of a new moon or of the Sabbath,
Which are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ. (Col. 2:16,17)

 

[oikonomia]

I would submit a singing version of Matthew 11:28-30.
This is about coming to Christ for rest.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Sabbath truth is an ever unfolding truth. Certainly, Christ is our rest AS HE taught.

Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light. (Matthew 11:28-30)

There was another instituted celebration called the Jubilee.
Christ also said He was the fulfillment of that acceptable year of the Lord, to release captives, heal the sick, and proclaim liberty.

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to announce the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away in release those who are oppressed,
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, the year of jubilee.”

Italicized words above indicate that they are supplied to clarify the meaning.
Every translation is also an interpretation. What we hope for is good interpretations when editors and translators
provide these kinds of helps.

To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, the year of jubilee.”

Show me the word "Sabbath" in these English translations of Genesis 2:3.

The Greek word in that passage (Matthew 11:28) is "anapouso"...this is NOT Sabbath. "the year of jubilee” is NOT in the original Greek. it is "year of The Lord's favor". It is implied because of the quote from Isaiah. As for the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:3, the word used is Shabbat שָׁבַת֙

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I realy enjoyed reading also Psalm 95. What a Psalm!

Don't you see it? So much of the section is about the poor disobdient Hebrews wandering for 40 years in the wilderness.
For if Joshua had brought them into rest, . . . (Heb. 4:a)

Here "They" is the whole generation of disbelieving Israel. Whether they kept the 7th day or not.
Together they all did not enter into the rich Good Land where everything was provided for them like milk and honey.
Except for Caleb and Joshua and all the children of that disobedient generation, they did not enter the Sabbath (in the deeper sense) of the good land of Canaan.

And Hebrews is comparing the believers in the new covenant (probably in the city of Jerusalem) who were tempted to RETURN to the Old Covenant, that they must not be like those staggering, hesitating Hebrews after the Exodus.

For He has spoken somewhere concerning the seventh day thus, “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.”
And in this place again, “They shall not enter into My rest!” (vs. 4,5)

this rest for believers is the eternal Sabbath...eternity.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If you argue that there is only the seventh day Sabbath and no other significance then this verse
If saying God was so angry that He would not allow them practice the seventh days Sabbath.

I don’t think you’re being honest with the scriptures and inserting Sabbath when it’s not there and removing the Sabbath or changing God’s meaning when it is there. It no longer becomes the clear word of God

The weekly Sabbath according to God is on the seventh day Exo 20:8-11 and it is a commandment, not a suggestion - He wrote it He spoke it and there is NO other definition in scripture because we cannot add to or subtract from the commandments Deut 4:2

Christ rest is not the same as the seventh day Sabbath rest and when we add “Sabbath” to Christ rest its like adding a little leaven and spoils everything Galatians 5:9 because God’s Word is mixed with our words- which is not Truth.

God is not angry that the Israelites “who tried to practice Sabbath-keeping” . God was angry they broke the Sabbath- which is what profaned and defiled means -that God consumed the Israelites in the wilderness, this is why they did not enter into Canaan (rest) because God consumed them for Sabbath- breaking, not the opposite. Moses just went over the Ten Commandments before entering into Canaan- to claim God got mad for them keeping the Sabbath is really creative and sadly not what God is trying to communicate through this passage.

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Eze 20:21 “Notwithstanding, the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and were not careful to observe My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; but they profaned My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them and fulfill My anger against them in the wilderness.

In Hebrews we are clearly told not to follow their example of disobedience and rebellion so we can enter into our promised rest

Heb 4:6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Hebrews 4:11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.


Which is why the Sabbath-rest (not God’s rest in this verse) REMAINS for God’s people. And the greek word here means Sabbath keeping.

Heb 4:9NIV is referring to the Sabbath-rest which remains for God's people and the rest in this verse literally translates into Sabbath-keeping

sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

Verse 10 clearly shows these are different rests. Also means in addition to.

Hebrews 4:10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.

So to enter into Christ rests one must ALSO rest from their works just as God did on the seventh day Heb 4:4, Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 which means we are to keep the Sabbath commandment Just like God wrote and God spoke and God’s people keep His commandments, not profane them. Rev 14:12

To even insinuate God would get mad for obeying Him the way He commanded us to is not a doctrine from our Holy Creator, but the other spirit who tries to deceive the whole world. Isa 8:20 who sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8 and wants us to as well. When we keep the Sabbath, it shows our allegiance is to God of Creation Exo 20:11 Which is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7. I hope you will consider prayerfully reading the true message is this passage, its a powerful one but can be difficult to understand. Thankfully God‘s commandments are not hard to understand He made it easy to understand by design both clearly written and spoken but out divine Savior and Creator and blesses us when we DO them Rev 22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Greek word in that passage (Matthew 11:28) is "anapouso"...this is NOT Sabbath. "the year of jubilee” is NOT in the original Greek. it is "year of The Lord's favor". It is implied because of the quote from Isaiah. As for the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:3, the word used is Shabbat שָׁבַת֙

Plus God Himself called it the Sabbath right in the Sabbath commandment, but sad people do not believe the very Words spoken and written by God.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

God also blessed the Sabbath day from Creation and only God can reverse something He blessed Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord that we do not need to keep the Sabbath. Almost all the scripture around the Sabbath to keep and not profane and will be kept in heaven or until He comes has a thus saith the Lord on it. This argument about God’s holy Sabbath day is not with man.

 

[oikonomia]

The Greek word in that passage (Matthew 11:28) is "anapouso"...this is NOT Sabbath. "the year of jubilee” is NOT in the original Greek. it is "year of The Lord's favor". It is implied because of the quote from Isaiah. As for the original Hebrew of Genesis 2:3, the word used is Shabbat שָׁבַת֙

We come to Him for Sabbath rest. We do not hesitate to come because the Greek word in Matt. 11:28 is "anapouso."

Sometimes the NT says Christ died on a cross. At other [edited] places it says He died on a tree.
Lovers of Christ enjoy the full benefit of His redemption whether the Greek NT said He died on a cross or a tree.

If you want to teach Christ is not your Sabbath rest because the Greek NT there says "anapouso" you go ahead.

But we have the assurance that your 7th day Sabbath was a shadow indicating a more solid reality of Christ as our rest.

Let no one therefore judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect of a feast or of a new moon or of the Sabbath,
Which are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ. (Col.2:16,1)

 

[oikonomia]

this rest for believers is the eternal Sabbath...eternity.

Yes, this is the ultimate experience of God's Sabbath.

 

[oikonomia]

Let no one therefore judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect of a feast or of a new moon or of the Sabbath,

Which are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Let no one defraud you by judging you unworthy of your prize, (Col. 2:16-17)

Think of how silly it would be if when a man comes home from work
his wife runs to the door tries to embrace his shadow.

How silly it would be for her children and her husband to bybass her
and instead embrace her shadow on the wall.

These wonderful types and figures which actually were artifacts in history
God tells us were " a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ."

Christ is our prize Christians. Let not one defraud you of your prize.
Let no one defraud you because you do not adore the shadows of the Torah above the reality of Jesus Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Let no one therefore judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect of a feast or of a new moon or of the Sabbath,

Which are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Let no one defraud you by judging you unworthy of your prize, (Col. 2:16-17)

Think of how silly it would be if when a man comes home from work
his wife runs to the door tries to embrace his shadow.

How silly it would be for her children and her husband to bybass her
and instead embrace her shadow on the wall.

You need to bring in the context of v14. Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

There is more than one Sabbath in the scripture- there is only one weekly Sabbath, that is a commandment of God which started at Creation. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 that God blessed and made holy. This came before sin. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances came after sin that have to do with eating and drinking and offerings and all pointed to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb Passover ordnance. Exo 12:43, 1 Cor 5:7

The context to the weekly Sabbath does not fit. The weekly Sabbath is a commandment, not an ordinance, it is holy and blessed, which can’t be reversed by man and against and contrary is not the definition for holy and blessed and handwritten is not Finger written by God. It’s clearly not referring to the Sabbath commandment that did not end at the cross, kept by the followers of Jesus- every Sabbath Acts 18:4 Luke 23:56 just as Jesus commissioned and the Sabbath will be kept for eternity for God’s saints Isa 66:23. We have free will to believe what we want, but when it goes against the very teachings of Jesus - do not break the least of the commandments Mat 5:19 we can’t say God does not warn us through His Word to obey Him through our love and faith to Him. John 14:15, Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

John Wesley said it best:

This 'handwriting of ordinances' our Lord did blot out, take away, and nail to His cross. (Colossians 2: 14.) But the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments, and enforced by the prophets, He did not take away.... The moral law stands on an entirely different foundation from the ceremonial or ritual law. ...Every part of this law must remain in force upon all mankind and in all ages.
—JOHN WESLEY, Sermons on Several Occasions, 2-Vol. Edition, Vol. I, pages 221, 222.

These wonderful types and figures which actually were artifacts in history
God tells us were " a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ."

Col 2:17 is a direct quote to Hebrews 10:1 and this passage Hebrews 10:1-10 shows which law ended, which is the sacrificial system, animal sacrifices for the forgivness of sins which all pointed to Jesus, not one of God’s Ten Commandments. Sin is still the same definition- the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7. Jesus did not die so we can sin freely, otherwise He died in vain. The weekly Sabbath is meant to bless us and to spend time with God on the day He sanctified and made holy to do so, because man cannot sanctify themselves, only God can. Eze 20:12

 

[SabbathBlessings]

this rest for believers is the eternal Sabbath...eternity.

Believers are not those who are in rebellion to God and His commandments, Rom 8:7 those who follow the same path of disobedience do not enter His rest Heb 4:6 Hebrews 4:11 . Rebellion to God is unrest- God gives us peace when we obey Isa 48:18 not through disobedience, there isn no rebellion in God’s rest. As you know, believing is a call to action, not just believing and not doing. James 1:22

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We come to Him for Sabbath rest. We do not hesitate to come because the Greek word in Matt. 11:28 is "anapouso."

Sometimes the NT says Christ died on a cross. At the places it says He died on a tree.
Lovers of Christ enjoy the full benefit of His redemption whether the Greek NT said He died on a cross or a tree.

If you want to teach Christ is not your Sabbath rest because the Greek NT there says "anapouso" you go ahead.

But we have the assurance that your 7th day Sabbath was a shadow indicating a more solid reality of Christ as our rest.

Let no one therefore judge you in eating and in drinking or in respect of a feast or of a new moon or of the Sabbath,
Which are a shadow of the things to come, but the body is of Christ. (Col.2:16,1)

The cross was made from wood so your point of comparison is moot. Crosses were sometimes actual trees. There were sometimes called "stele", stakes. His rest is for all eternity. Anapouso is NOT the same as Shabbat, no matter how bad you want it to or try and explain it....

 

[oikonomia]

. . . Christ, In whom all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden.
This I say that no one may delude you with persuasive speech. (Colossians 2:2c - 4)

 

[oikonomia]

The cross was made from wood so your point of comparison is moot. Crosses were sometimes actual trees. There were sometimes called "stele", stakes. His rest is for all eternity. Anapouso is NOT the same as Shabbat, no matter how bad you want it to or try and explain it....

What point did I make which is a "moot point"?

There was a typo in my sentence. I meant to write - "other" where I wrote "the".

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Sometimes the NT says Christ died on a cross. At [OTHER] places it says He died on a tree.
Lovers of Christ enjoy the full benefit of His redemption whether the Greek NT said He died on a cross or a tree.
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Which point is a "moot point?"