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What is your point? Maybe it was a shmitah?On the second sabbath after the first. Where in scripture is the regular Sabbath spoken of like this. Obviously it was harvest season.
Paul doesn’t point to the 10 commandments. Nowhere in the New Testament is anything mentioned about keeping the sabbath only the opposite is mentioned as I pointed out yesterday.I am sure we have talked about this numerous times. There are changes in the New Covenant, but sin is still defined as breaking the law of God and Paul points to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7 Jesus came to save us from sin, not in them Matthew 1:21. Jesus took the penalty of sin so we no longer need to sacrifice animals Hebrews 10:1-10 because Jesus is now our High Priest in the New Covenant and we can go directly to Him when He sin because He became our Passover Lamb. Paul makes it clear physical circumcision doesn’t matter, but what matters is keeping the commandments of God. 1 Cor 7:19
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I had to google what that meant!Pe'ah
There was no opposition on if the Sabbath should be kept in scripture, only how it was to be kept.Paul doesn’t point to the 10 commandments. Nowhere in the New Testament is anything mentioned about keeping the sabbath only the opposite is mentioned as I pointed out yesterday.
The rest referred to in Hebrews 4 is rest from our toils here on earth that we will receive once we’re in Heaven. That’s why God determines who will or will not enter into that rest. The commandments we’re supposed to keep are love God with all your heart soul and mind and love others. All of the commandments are based on these two commandments. I’ve already given examples of the law that have been done away with yesterday and you didn’t comment on them.There was no opposition on if the Sabbath should be kept in scripture, only how it was to be kept.
The Sabbath is a commandment of God and you would need to prove that it’s not because throughout the OT and NT God’s people keep God’s commandments. You would need a thus saith the Lord to show we no longer need to keep this commandment because man is not above God and the Sabbath is blessed by God. Num 23:20 and mans ways are not above God’s ways. The Sabbath is God’s holy day. Exodus 20:10 Isa 58:13 We are not to profane His holy things which is why we are commanded to keep His Sabbath day holy. Exo 20:8-11 we are made in His image to follow Him.
God’s people keep God’s commandments. Rev 14:12 which Jesus kept and all of His Fathers commandments and Jesus is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6
And we do have this..
Hebrews 4:9 NIV There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.- On the seventh day Hebrews 4:4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”
sabbatismos: a sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: a sabbath rest
Usage: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
Paul absolutely points to the Ten Commandments- He said it is what defines sin Romans 7:7 which is what Jesus came to save us from and not in. Matthew 1:21. The Ten Commandments God placed together in a unit of Ten and we cannot add or subtract from this unit Deut 4:2 anytime you see one of the Ten Commandments mentioned in scripture, it includes this unit of Ten (break one you break them all James 2:10-12) as this was Divinely made by our Creator Exodus 32:16, written by His own finger, spoken personally by Him, kept in the Most Holy of His Temple that is in heaven Rev 11:19 and is sad so many people would rather toss out the other nine commandments than spending time with God on the day He set aside, blessed, sanctified created for man to spend time with us and to sanctify and bless us. What could possibly be more important than this.
Shabbat Shalom!I had to google what that meant!
Here you are overgeneralizing. According to this logic one could just as easily say that Paul was referring to the Law so we must keep the entire law. It’s the same line of reasoning but we know that the scriptures specifically state that some of the laws have changed and some have been abolished completely. And it is because of this that we agree that we’re no longer under the Mosaic Law but the difference between us is you choose to ignore Colossians 2:16 and I don’t.There are changes in the New Covenant, but sin is still defined as breaking the law of God and Paul points to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7
There are two rests referred to in Hebrews. Christ rest and the Sabbath rest. In Christ rest, there is no rebellion to Him meaning we would be keeping His commandments, not breaking them which is what Hebrews 4 is warning us about. We should not follow the example of the Israelites who profaned God's Sabbath in the wilderness Eze 20:13, Eze 20:21The rest referred to in Hebrews 4 is rest from our toils here on earth that we will receive once we’re in Heaven.
Yes, but He warns us a head of time because He loves all of us and tells us how to enter into His restThat’s why God determines who will or will not enter into that rest.
Yes, we keep the commandments of God because of love, but God does not undefine what love is according to scripture.The commandments we’re supposed to keep are love God with all your heart soul and mind and love others. All of the commandments are based on these two commandments. I’ve already given examples of the law that have been done away with yesterday and you didn’t comment on them.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Which law is Paul referring to? The Ten Commandments Exodus 20:17Here you are overgeneralizing. According to this logic one could just as easily say that Paul was referring to the Law so we must keep the entire law. It’s the same line of reasoning but we know that the scriptures specifically state that some of the laws have changed and some have been abolished completely.
I have never ignored Col 2:16 KJV, I choose to pull in all the context and not fixate on the one verse out of context to the rest of God's Word because one chooses to apply it to something not meant to be. There is more than one sabbath in scripture and Col 2:14 KJV defines the sabbath(s) it is referring to- ordinances, not one of God's eternal commandments, handwritten, not finger written by God and the Sabbath is holy and blessed not the definition for contrary and against, so obviously one look at the context one would know its not referring to one of God's commandments. Jesus Himself refutes this teaching to His followers prophesying the Sabbath would be kept decades after the cross Matthew 24:20 and His followers keeping every Sabbath as commanded by Jesus. We have free will to believe what we want, but we are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151 and cannot be edited. Deut 4:2 It's never wise to make a whole doctrine out of one out of context scripture especially when it does not reconcile with the rest of God's Word. The Sabbath will never end and those who oppose the Sabbath so much now- will they be happy in God's heavenly kingdom where Sabbath worship continues. Isaiah 66:22-23 God loves us so much, He would never want us unhappy, but in God's heaven there will be rest for eternity- no more rebellion to Him.And it is because of this that we agree that we’re no longer under the Mosaic Law but the difference between us is you choose to ignore Colossians 2:16 and I don’t.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” Found in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20:17
I have never ignored Col 2:16 KJV, I choose to pull in all the context and not fixate on the one verse out of context to the rest of God's Word because one chooses to apply it to something not meant to be. There is more than one sabbath in scripture and Col 2:14 KJV defines the sabbath(s) it is referring to- ordinances, not one of God's eternal commandments, handwritten, not finger written by God and the Sabbath is holy and blessed not the definition for contrary and against, so obviously one look at the context one would know its not referring to one of God's commandments.
You shall not covet was also found in the Mosaic Law. So by that same rationality that your using one could just as easily use this verse to imply that the Mosaic Law is still in effect. The only reason we know that the Mosaic Law is no longer in effect is because of verses that specifically state that certain laws have changed or been removed Like for example Acts 15. And Colossians 2:16 is one of those verses. Paul made no exclusions in that statement.
I'm not backpedaling and ordinances are not commandments.Yesterday you quoted Jesus saying that not one tittle not one jot would be removed from the law, now you’re backpedaling on that statement because those ordinances were part of the Law.
I already gave my point.What is your point?
I'm not backpedaling and ordinances are not commandments.
Nehemiah 9:13
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.
Scripture will actually define the law it is referring to if we allow it to.
Jesus was quoting from the Ten Commandments when He said He did not come to destroy the law.
The Ten Commandments is separated from all other laws- God only wrote the Ten Commandments, only the Ten Commandments are inside the ark of the covenant in the most Holy of God's Temple and the earthy temple was a replica of God's heavenly Temple Hebrews 8:5 where the Ten Commandments are unedited. Rev 11:19 Deut 4:2
Mark 7:7-13 is where we see Jesus slam-hammering Jewish tradition that claimed they had the infallible right to adjust , tweak, one of God's commandments. Notice the sola-scriptura method He uses there to slam-hammer that attempt by the Jews.I’m sorry where do these verses say that the God cannot nor will not change the 10 commandments?
So? Was it wheat or barley? Was it a Shmitah? Was it an edge of a field? You don't know, do you...I already gave my point.
It was the second Sabbath after the first, of the harvest sabbaths of which were seven. They were eating grain that was yet in the field. Enough said.
amenThey were not harvesting grains nor were they making any grain offerings, they were hungry and eating the heads of the grain on the Sabbath, while walking with Jesus, which is not a sin.
amen.Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat
Mark 2:23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain
There is no sin to eat on the Sabbath day
amenthe Pharisees were adding to the commandments of God and we are told not to add to the commandments or take away from them. Deut 4:2
Ok I’m not talking about me changing anything so please don’t falsely accuse me of doing so. The laws concerning circumcision changed and we know this because of Acts 15. The laws concerning sin offerings changed and we know this because of Hebrews 10. So why is it that you don’t accept it when Paul says we are not to be judged for not keeping the Sabbath days?Mark 7:7-13 is where we see Jesus slam-hammering Jewish tradition that claimed they had the infallible right to adjust , tweak, one of God's commandments. Notice the sola-scriptura method He uses there to slam-hammer that attempt by the Jews.
Notice what Christ said about those attempts in Matt 5?
How very odd it is that when God says "He spoke these TEN commandments from the pillar of cloud... and ADDED no more" Deut 5:22 - it is right THERE that some folks propose "tweaking" the Commandments of God.
1. Acts 15 only speaks to gentiles being circumcised so they can be saved - and as it turns out, that was never commanded in either OT or NT. The Christian Jews of the NT simply "made that idea up". Acts 15 is not squashing scripture - it is squashing something made up entirely by NT Christian Jews.Ok I’m not talking about me changing anything so please don’t falsely accuse me of doing so. The laws concerning circumcision changed and we know this because of Acts 15.
-- that is also NOT being changed, but rather its shadow ceremonial purpose is fulfilled by the sacrifice it explicitly points to . To fulfill a shadow type given in animal sacrifice is to fulfill a ceremonial predictive law that predicts Christ's sacrifice.The laws concerning sin offerings changed and we know this because of Hebrews 10.
" a Sabbath day" that is a "Shaddow" -- as is the case in all of the Lev 23 annual Sabbath festivals. They were inaugurated from the start "in animal sacrifice". By contrast in Ex 20:11, in Gen 2:1-3, in Ex 16 -- there was no animal sacrifice at the giving of the weekly Sabbath. It was not a ceremony pointing as a shadow to the death of Christ.So why is it that you don’t accept it when Paul says we are not to be judged for not keeping the Sabbath days?
Jesus said in Matt 5 not to make those sorts of claimsI specifically asked where do the scriptures say that God can’t change the commandments
Deut 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.I’m sorry where do these verses say that the God cannot nor will not change the 10 commandments? I don’t even see them being mentioned in Hebrews 5 or Rev 11 and Deuteronomy 4:2 is Moses telling the Israelites not to change them. I don’t see any mention of them being unedited.
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