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Thank you I get it now. You mean Gnostic by your understanding not by what others may or may not call Gnostic.
Gnostic to me means firstly, an understanding that the flesh/material world is evil or, as shown by a previous poster, that an evil god made the material world. OR that only spirit is good. Those are classic gnostic beliefs.
Notwithstanding the poor biblical scholarship demonstrated in Bel and the Dragon.
Well Bel and the Dragon is gnostic, and have you ever read it? If so what poor biblical scholarship do you find in this section in the Book of Daniel?
Well Bel and the Dragon is gnostic, and have you ever read it? If so what poor biblical scholarship do you find in this section in the Book of Daniel?
Bel and the Dragon, is not included in the text of the Book of Daniel in the traditional protestant bible but it appears as a deutrocanonical book in the Apocrypha....I'm not sure of the jump of logic between the Apocrypha and gnosticism.
Have to admit, I'm confused here, too. Not to mention I'm uncertain that Bel and the Dragon can be described as "scholarship" whether poor or good. It's a legendary story attached to a legendary story attached to an apocalypse.
single eye said:squint, you are quite right that the disciples were radically unorthodox and classically gnostic. Guess who they learned it from? The people who told you that bible-orthodoxy, whatever the hell that means, would protect you from hearesy were clueless. All you have managed to shield yourself from is "the truth that sets us free".
No, the revisionists were the people who selected the books of the bible without the authority to do so.
Then elaborate I will. I am suggesting that we reevaluate who had authority to write scripture. You call the bible uniform? Then how do you explain how hopelessly divided the christian community is? Did Jesus not say that "a house divided against itself cannot stand"? If ever there was an example of a divided house it is bible-base christianity. Jesus received authority to deliver the faith to the saints publicly at His baptism. He proceeded to select 12 disciples and train them day and night for over 3 years. Prior to leaving Jesus informed the 12 that they would be sent "another comforter", a.k.a. The Spirit of Truth, to complete their training. This example gave us the model for what it took to become qualified to write scripture. I have never seen evidence that anyone else but the saints were so qualified. Have you? The names of the people who selected the books of the bible are suspiciously missing. This means that we lack any credible evidence that they were qualified to construct a bible. Do you need more elaboration?
Bel and the Dragon, is not included in the text of the Book of Daniel in the traditional protestant bible but it appears as a deutrocanonical book in the Apocrypha....I'm not sure of the jump of logic between the Apocrypha and gnosticism.
Have to admit, I'm confused here, too. Not to mention I'm uncertain that Bel and the Dragon can be described as "scholarship" whether poor or good. It's a legendary story attached to a legendary story attached to an apocalypse.
I wouldn't consider all of Daniel as apocalyptic literature. There is some sections in Daniel that is apocalyptic but the majority would be considered historical or historical fiction (depending on how much one buys into the modern historical criticism methods).
Then elaborate I will. I am suggesting that we reevaluate who had authority to write scripture. You call the bible uniform? Then how do you explain how hopelessly divided the christian community is?
Did Jesus not say that "a house divided against itself cannot stand"? If ever there was an example of a divided house it is bible-base christianity. Jesus received authority to deliver the faith to the saints publicly at His baptism. He proceeded to select 12 disciples and train them day and night for over 3 years. Prior to leaving Jesus informed the 12 that they would be sent "another comforter", a.k.a. The Spirit of Truth, to complete their training. This example gave us the model for what it took to become qualified to write scripture. I have never seen evidence that anyone else but the saints were so qualified. Have you? The names of the people who selected the books of the bible are suspiciously missing. This means that we lack any credible evidence that they were qualified to construct a bible. Do you need more elaboration?
squint, you are quite right that the disciples were radically unorthodox and classically gnostic. Guess who they learned it from? The people who told you that bible-orthodoxy, whatever the hell that means, would protect you from hearesy were clueless. All you have managed to shield yourself from is "the truth that sets us free".
Well Bel and the Dragon is gnostic, and have you ever read it? If so what poor biblical scholarship do you find in this section in the Book of Daniel?
To much complication for me. Me I like it simple.That's what I meant. A legend (Bel and the Dragon) attached to a legend (the narrative portions of Daniel) attached to an apocalypse (the apocalyptic portions of Daniel). Or a legend attacked to an apocalypse attached to a legend, depending on whether you think the narrative or apocalyptic portions are older (I really have no opinion).
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