And yet there is so much response in this thread from people trying to deride people for choosing to not buy USA made.
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And yet there is so much response in this thread from people trying to deride people for choosing to not buy USA made.
You are severely overestimating how much people in the US care whether or not you buy Wrigley's gum.
Including boycotting Tesla due to what Elon is doing to government.Sure. And for a myriad of reasons.
The reason Russia isn't on the tariff list is becauseWell I see it as responding to the tariffs USA is imposing on countries, not to Trump's existence or to Trump being the president of USA. But specifically in response to these ridiculous tariffs that everyone except Russia is getting slopped onto them.
And yet there is so much response in this thread from people trying to deride people for choosing to not buy USA made.
The USA has so far refused to provide schematics and other proof that a "visiting" ship is not nuclear. So effectively the US navy cannot come here. Except for that one time.That's not true. From ChatGPT:
Yes, U.S. Navy ships can visit New Zealand's waters, but such visits are contingent upon compliance with New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation.
Nuclear-Free Policy and U.S. Navy AccessNew Zealand enacted a nuclear-free policy in 1984, prohibiting the entry of ships that are either nuclear-armed or nuclear-powered into its ports. This policy led to a suspension of the ANZUS defense treaty between the United States and New Zealand, as the U.S. Navy does not officially confirm or deny whether its ships carry nuclear weapons or are nuclear-powered. Consequently, U.S. Navy vessels were effectively barred from New Zealand ports for several decades .The Beehive+1The Australian+1The Washington Times+3Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3
Recent DevelopmentsIn 2016, the relationship between the two nations began to thaw. New Zealand invited the USS Sampson, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, to participate in the Royal New Zealand Navy’s 75th anniversary International Naval Review.Prime Minister John Key granted approval for the visit after confirming that the USS Sampson was neither nuclear-armed nor nuclear-powered, aligning with New Zealand's legal requirements .TimeAP News+2The Beehive+2Time+2Further diplomatic engagement occurred in 2021 when U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited New Zealand, marking the first visit by a Pentagon chief in nearly three decades. During this visit, the U.S. lifted its ban on New Zealand naval ship visits, signaling a renewed commitment to stronger defense ties, while New Zealand reaffirmed its anti-nuclear stance .BBC News
Current StatusAs of now, the policy remains that U.S. Navy ships may visit New Zealand ports, provided they do not carry nuclear weapons or are nuclear-powered. Any prospective visit would require prior approval from the New Zealand government, ensuring compliance with the nation's nuclear-free laws.TimeIn summary, while U.S. Navy ships are permitted in New Zealand's waters, adherence to New Zealand's nuclear-free legislation is a prerequisite for such visits.
The first day in office, Trump's admin removed sanctions from Russia.The reason Russia isn't on the tariff list is because
A) the sanctions that already exist mean we don't do any measurable amount of trade with them anyway (same reason Cuba isn't on the tariff list, does the US show any special favoritism to Cuba?? Last I heard, we're barbarians for refusing to engage in commerce with them)
It must really annoy some USA folk how easy it is for people to buy alternatives to USA made products.
It's easy people, there really is no excuse not to do it. Plus it will make you Fonzy level cool. Oh hang on Fonzy is a USA dude, um many, well, maybe just generically cool.. How cool is that?
Source please?The first day in office, Trump's admin removed sanctions from Russia.
And yet USA slapped tariffs on an Island with no people, just penguins, but not Russia.
OK, sorry, I mis-remembered.Source please?
I'm curious as to the "Trump removed sanctions on day 1" claim
That's why no one in immigrating here anymore.The safety of America, that's a good one. High gun deaths, unaffordable health care, racism, bigotry, low life expectancy...
I'm not trying to trigger anyone.I mean, you started the thread, you can't accept critiques about the concept has "haha, look how triggered the Americans are".
Discussion, not necessarily debated.By introducing the topic in the discussion and debate forum, you asked for it to be debated.
GreatUltimately, I don't care what you buy.
Not for me to say. People can buy whatever they want.People shouldn't be consuming orange soda or lay's potato chips in the first place.
I never portrayed anything as an act of righteous defiance/heroism, that is just your inhibitions injected into it.But if you're going to depict "I'll buy this other nearly identical product as the one I actually wanted to buy, and then portray it as an act of righteous defiance/heroism", then expect criticism.
Has anyone claimed that using the app will make you edgy or cool? This is really weird.People using this app are about as "edgy and cool" as
Personally I want to avoid my own money going to USA.They still get to stuff their face with a cheeseburger and fries (no actual sacrifice on their part), while pretending they're "doing something".
It's certainly a misnomer, a belief spread from guitarist to guitarist without any substance.
Lol, he chopped an acoustic in half and stuck the halves onto the sides of his plank of wood because otherwise the audience couldn't tell he was playing a guitar, they got all confused and so it was there purely for aesthetics not for tone.The original solid body electric had a body literally made from a 4x4. Here's a visit to the museum:
How do you join a boycott? How do you even know that there is a boycott? As I keep saying, you are missing the point completely.Oh no! However will I know if it's OK to buy products unless someone tells me!
The difference between wearing a slogan on your t shirt and joining a boycott? Well, one is identifying with a position and making it publically known. And the other is...umm...identifying with a position and making it publically known.I am at a loss as to how you think there is any comparison between slogans on T-shirts and an organized boycott.
Trump continually makes stupid comments and does remarkably dumb things. And I know it's hard to separate the man himself from what he says or does. But you should try harder. The fact that he is intensely dislikeable as a person for so many reasons was a good reason not to have him on the ballot last year. His policies shouldn't even have been a talking point. His character should have disqualified him from standing. It certainly would have down here. We demand better from our politicians. But now that he's been elected, his character is of secondary importance. Now it's his policies that are front and centre.Ah yes...it's called "DeTrumpify" and shows an unflattering image of him when scanning a bar code, but it has nothing to do with people having a personal grudge against Trump.
C'mon, you know this is ridiculous right? lol.
And in the same way, people might have thought that Obama was a solid type of guy, someone you'd like to hang out with and have a beer, but if he was the one to hit Canada with ridiculous tariffs, then it would have been a caricture of Obama on that app. The reaction would have been 'Hey, he seems like a great guy. But we ain't putting up with that'.If someone created an app called "NObama", and every time they scanned a product, it showed an unflattering pic of him with information about which companies donated to the Obama campaign with the intent of getting people to avoid purchasing them, everyone would rightfully identify it as a personal grudge.
The board's comment reminds me of the type of kiss-of-death language often used by the owners of a football club.There you go then Elon's other job is safe even though the Tesla company are having some significant financial difficulties due to the boycott.
Please don't twist what I am saying. I don't appreciate it. Doing something alone can be meaningless. As a much larger group, your contribution helps it become that 'much larger group'. And you know that's what I meant.Indeed. You are participating in something meaningless. "Doing something".
It certainly is.Yes, feeling a part of something is a powerful force for many people.
By definition. Including both of us.The vast majority of people are followers.
You keep trying to picture this as either meaningless, people trying to 'be cool' or now as unthinking sheep. I think you've reached the point where further discussion will probably be a waste of both our time.Those people need someone else to tell them what to do, how to think, what to buy, etc. Whether or not that's "meaningful" is up for debate.
One example will suffice. The trip to the US we'd planned for sometime later this year or next has now been cancelled. We love the country, so not going is quite a sacrifice.Yes, by making zero sacrifices and not personally inconveniencing yourself by any measurable degree.
Countries aren't ruminating on whether to decrease imports of chewing gum. Governments are realising that for the foreseeable future, the global market is going to have to readjust to exclude the US. This is one of countless articles telling you the same thing: Global Realignment Could Boost Aussie MarketsYou are severely overestimating how much people in the US care whether or not you buy Wrigley's gum.
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