Destroying Evolution in less than 5 minutes

[AV1611VET]

He obviously found you annoying enough to put on Ignore.

You have a higher tolerance level then? is that what you're saying?

 

[River Jordan]

Would you like to see a list of what creationists have given us in the past?

What more do you want?

That's not what I asked. Remember, you said the the creationists at AiG, ICR, and the DI are intellectual giants who would put scientists like me in our place.

Why aren't these creationists giving presentations at conferences, participating in poster sessions, or even showing up and just asking questions?

Their complete absence over decades speaks volumes, does it not?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would you like to see a list of what creationists have given us in the past?

What more do you want?

Would you be able do that list AND directly show that it was because of their creationist views that they invented what they invented? Five'll get you ten I doubt you would.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You have a higher tolerance level then? is that what you're saying?

Not in the slightest. That Hans has you on Ignore is his own issue and me not having you Ignore is my own issue. And as a point of fact, I have put you on Ignore in the past as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Their complete absence over decades speaks volumes, does it not?

No.

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[River Jordan]

No.

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Never mind.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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Anyone can get a book published. Note that River_Jordan specifically mentions "giving presentations at conferences, participating in poster sessions, or even showing up and just asking questions" as examples. The first two are definitely more how scientists put information out.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anyone can get a book published. Note that River_Jordan specifically mentions "giving presentations at conferences, participating in poster sessions, or even showing up and just asking questions" as examples. The first two are definitely more how scientists put information out.

 

[sfs]

Repeated assertions aren’t the same as resolving the math. Over 300 posts, no one clearly demonstrated how Haldane’s original dilemma, regarding the speed limits of beneficial mutation fixation, has been overcome without hand-waving or invoking assumptions that just move the problem.

Absolutely false. I gave you a link to a paper that clearly states why Haldane's original model was quite thoroughly wrong in a way that grossly overestimated the constraint imposed by the cost of selection. You didn't read it, did you? It then went on to discuss a different argument for a limit, one proposed by Felsenstein and by Nei and based in part on Haldane's reasoning, and then showed from empirical data that an assumption in that model was off by an order of magnitude, causing it again to overestimate the effect of the cost of selection.

In total, you have no idea what limit the cost of selection actually imposes on the fixation rate of beneficial mutations. You also have no idea of how many beneficial mutations have actually fixed in the human and chimpanzee lineages. Based on this complete ignorance of the relevant facts, all you do now is repeat the above empty claim. I don't know if your intention here was to demonstrate the intellectual bankruptcy of creationism, but if it was, your approach has been a smashing success.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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LOOK AT THAT! HE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE PROPER EVIDENCE.

Now, to continue on from that, have they posted any scientific journals, papers and the like to actual scientific organizations independent of their own groups for outside commentary, verification and/or analysis?

 

[River Jordan]

Anyone can get a book published. Note that River_Jordan specifically mentions "giving presentations at conferences, participating in poster sessions, or even showing up and just asking questions" as examples. The first two are definitely more how scientists put information out.

It's nothing more than childish trash talk like "My dad could beat up your dad", just with "If creationist scientists were here they'd kick your butts" instead. Obviously if that were so the creationists would regularly show up at science conferences and kick everyone's butts, but they never do.

 

[sfs]

Offside in association football is basically when a player from Team A is too close to Team B's goal than Team B's second-to-last defender. But it's only an offence in-game when the player from Team A is in active play. Penalty kicks and getting the ball back into play doesn't count as an offside offence.

More precisely, it's when player from A is closer to B's goal/end line, and with the caveat that the A player is only in an offside position if they're also ahead of the ball. (Which is why it's impossible for anyone to be offside in a penalty kick -- they're all behind the ball.)

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

More precisely, it's when player from A is closer to B's goal/end line, and with the caveat that the A player is only in an offside position if they're also ahead of the ball. (Which is why it's impossible for anyone to be offside in a penalty kick -- they're all behind the ball.)

That's why I prefer rugby.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It's nothing more than childish trash talk like "My dad could beat up your dad", just with "If creationist scientists were here they'd kick your butts" instead. Obviously if that were so the creationists would regularly show up at science conferences and kick everyone's butts, but they never do.

Hence why I asked the question of @1Tonne a while back that was basically: if Haldane's Dilemma was an actual dilemma for the theory of evolution in 1957, then why does the theory of evolution still stand as a scientific theory?

 

[AV1611VET]

LOOK AT THAT! HE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE PROPER EVIDENCE.

Sure can.

Now, to continue on from that, have they posted any scientific journals, papers and the like to actual scientific organizations independent of their own groups for outside commentary, verification and/or analysis?

That's like submitting a paper against prejudice to the Ku Klux Klan for their verification.

 

[AV1611VET]

... if Haldane's Dilemma was an actual dilemma for the theory of evolution in 1957, then why does the theory of evolution still stand as a scientific theory?

Maybe he was put on IGNORE?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sure can.

That's a picture of a model. A model that I'm sure even you think is inaccurate.

That's like submitting a paper against prejudice to the Ku Klux Klan for their verification.

... childish attempt at an insult aside, you do realize that if you want to overturn a scientific idea, you need to actually put the idea forward to the scientific community, right? You need to actually get them to see your idea is correct and that theirs is wrong and the only way to do that is put stuff forward for them to see. Posting papers in your own circle does nothing except become a bit of a I cannot use that analogy since it'd be censored!

(Also, NB, I'm using the general 'you' to refer to creationists in totality, not you particularly, AV)

 

[River Jordan]

Hence why I asked the question of @1Tonne a while back that was basically: if Haldane's Dilemma was an actual dilemma for the theory of evolution in 1957, then why does the theory of evolution still stand as a scientific theory?

Oh it's because all us scientists, even us Christian ones, just looooooove our sins and evil ways. Or something.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Maybe he was put on IGNORE?

He does live in an entirely different time zone, so there is that to consider as well.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh it's because all us scientists, even us Christian ones, just looooooove our sins and evil ways. Or something.

That was one thing he explicitly said.
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If they acknowledge a creator, then they would be accountable to him. But they love their sin, and so they do not want to acknowledge Him.