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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Hammster, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. fhansen

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    No, we don't "deserve" existence for that matter. Strictly speaking Adam didn't deserve God's love either.
     
  2. LaSorcia

    LaSorcia God loves feminists. Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    "God saw all that he had made, and it was good."
     
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  3. LaSorcia

    LaSorcia God loves feminists. Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I look at it this way: Babies can be pretty disgusting. They spend most of their time barfing, pooping and peeing, and sometimes they even do that on you! To top it all off, they wail at you as well, sometimes unceasingly. And just when you think you've had enough, they steal much of your sleep, adding insult to injury. But we love them and take care of them.

    They can never do anything to earn the right to be taken care of and loved, but they certainly deserve to be taken care of and loved just by virtue of being. We made them, and we are responsible for them.
     
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  4. fhansen

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    I wouldn't think so, for myself, but apparently God thinks otherwise, in spite of our sin. Still doesn't mean we deserve it tho.
     
  5. Hammster

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    So on his own, there’s nothing deserving of God’s love. It’s all Him.
     
  6. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I get what you are saying. But their worth still comes from God.
     
  7. Hammster

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    Good point. Your worth, though, comes because of God’s love.
     
  8. LaSorcia

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    Exactly. And that worth is in all of us due to being the works of His hand.
     
  9. fhansen

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    Yes, and/or it could be said that He gives us any worth we may have. And having created us good, and in His image, we can have a worth or value to Him that we don't necessarily see in ourselves or others.
     
  10. TheSeabass

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    God created man giving man an eternal soul (Zechariah 12:1) thereby giving man value and worth deserving of God's love.

    When it comes to salvation of man's soul, God saves but He saves those that conditionally obey him (Hebrews 5:9) keeping themselves in His love, (Jude 1:21).
     
  11. Hammster

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    It’s His love that makes us worthy. Not that we deserve His love.
     
  12. Hammster

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    But it’s still His love that gives us worth. It’s not from us.
     
  13. Hammster

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    So you think that you were worthy enough for Christ to die for, correct?
     
  14. fhansen

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    As St Teresa of Avila stated, "It's love alone that gives worth to all things." Either way we didn't create ourselves so anything innate in us, whether good, or bad, or indifferent, would be God's work, not ours.
     
  15. Bible Highlighter

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    We also have to realize that the devil is not deserving of God's love because of what he did. The devil is unredeemable because he did not have the vehicle of faith like we do. Man was also created in the image of God, and God is able to look into the future and see what value or worth we can become by our cooperating with the good work He desires to do through us (So we can be a vessel of honor). Jesus says we have more value than many sparrows. That suggests we have worth and we are deserving of His love. God surely does not love the enemy in the same way he loves man. The enemy (the devil) will be destroyed. The enemy never had any hope by what he had done. That is a lesson we should think about for ourselves. Our actions do play a part in our right standing with God. God cares and loves us because we can be of value to Him. But if we lived like the devil, then we will be a part of His kingdom and have no value to God anymore.
     
  16. LaSorcia

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    I disagree. Being made by God, there is something in us that is inherently good, and therefore, do deserve God's love. We are marred by sin and its effects, but that inherent image of God is not destroyed. It is still in us.
     
  17. TheSeabass

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    GOD thought that I was.

    Why would God think that? Maybe because of the worth He gave to me in creating me in His image giving me an eternal soul.
     
  18. ~Zao~

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    No I would venture to say that only Christ is undeserving of any curse, due to our caving in to satan. But Christ extends the association to whom He wills.

    Proverbs 26:1-3
    Like snow in summer or rain in harvest,
    so honour is not fitting for a fool.
    Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying,
    an undeserved curse goes nowhere.
    A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,
    and a rod for the back of fools.

    Luke 12:6-7
    Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?
    Yet not one of them is forgotten in God’s sight.
    But even the hairs of your head are all counted.
    Do not be afraid;
    you are of more value than many sparrows.
     
  19. ~Zao~

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    It’s Christ’s love only that can be depended on for rewards because rewards are for the valley between the times of the church and eternity.
     
  20. Hammster

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    Do you deserve to have Christ die for you?
     
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