Descending Upon the Mt. of Olives?

[Greg Merrill]

Jesus Will Descend Upon the Mt. of Olives.

The Bible doesn't actually say that. It says "...this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Ac 1:11 He will return in like manner, but not exactly identical in every detail. First of all, Jesus ascended alone, but will return with the heavenly host. Second, Ac 1:11 doesn't give the exact location of his descent, but from these words we can expect that Jesus will come back physically and visibly. It doesn't say where he will descend, but it seems he will not descend to the Mt. of Olives, but will march to the Mt. of Olives from Edom, according to Isa 63:1. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save." Though scripture is not always given in chronological order, if we take Zec 14:3,4 as being in chronological order (what happens in verse 3 chronologically proceeding what happens in verse 4) we see that the LORD (Jesus) shall go forth and fight against those nations, AND THEN his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives. This seems to say that Jesus will descend (somewhere) to earth, then either go to, or be at Edom to leave from there on a bloody march to the Mt. of Olives. So just because we often hear or read that Jesus Will Descend Upon the Mt. of Olives, doesn't mean that is true or what the Bible ever said.

 

[sdowney717]

Zechariah 14 verse 5 says
'Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.'

And from Jude it says
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”


So Christ goes forth coming from Heaven and descending to the earth, which would be that mount of Olives, same place from where Christ was taken up. Logically makes sense. They see Him coming on the clouds, every eye shall see Him.
Here Christ tells the same to the Sanhedrin. Now of course they are all dead and buried in the ground. But they will see His returning from their current abode of hell fire, if they are there versus heaven.
When Christ returns the dead are raised in a single moment.
All will witness His triumphant return, some with fear, some with rejoicing.

Matthew 26:64 [Full Chapter]
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

A cloud took Him up in Acts 1, and He returns on the clouds, which Christ and those angels in Acts 1 confirmed.

Zechariah 14, the Lord returns not from the earth but from heaven, the brightness of His coming described in 2 Thessalonians 2. Lots of things will take place very quickly.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

 

[parousia70]

Now of course they are all dead and buried in the ground. But they will see His returning from their current abode of hell fire, if they are there versus heaven.

How could they currently be in Hellfire (or Heaven) if the Judgement has yet to occur?

 

[Greg Merrill]

How could they currently be in Hellfire (or Heaven) if the Judgement has yet to occur?

Hell is like jail (temporary). The lake of fire is more like prison, that is where you put those sentence for like.

 

[sdowney717]

How could they currently be in Hellfire (or Heaven) if the Judgement has yet to occur?

Unbelievers are already condemned because they have not believed, so yes they are in hell, the place they go when they physically die, even though they are dead men walking now, as Christ said, let the dead bury the dead.

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Hell is like a hot temporary jail and is also not the lake of fire where after the final judgement all go whose names are not found written in the book of life of the Lamb.
And there are other books which are read from which recorded all that they did.

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

Revelation 20:15
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

 

[-57]

Jesus Will Descend Upon the Mt. of Olives.

The Bible doesn't actually say that. It says "...this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." Ac 1:11 He will return in like manner, but not exactly identical in every detail. First of all, Jesus ascended alone, but will return with the heavenly host. Second, Ac 1:11 doesn't give the exact location of his descent, but from these words we can expect that Jesus will come back physically and visibly. It doesn't say where he will descend, but it seems he will not descend to the Mt. of Olives, but will march to the Mt. of Olives from Edom, according to Isa 63:1. "Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save." Though scripture is not always given in chronological order, if we take Zec 14:3,4 as being in chronological order (what happens in verse 3 chronologically proceeding what happens in verse 4) we see that the LORD (Jesus) shall go forth and fight against those nations, AND THEN his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives. This seems to say that Jesus will descend (somewhere) to earth, then either go to, or be at Edom to leave from there on a bloody march to the Mt. of Olives. So just because we often hear or read that Jesus Will Descend Upon the Mt. of Olives, doesn't mean that is true or what the Bible ever said.

I see it this way...Jesus returns twice. The first time in the clouds when He raptures His believers then a second time when He comes to the Mt. of Olives.

 

[Greg Merrill]

I see it this way...Jesus returns twice. The first time in the clouds when He raptures His believers then a second time when He comes to the Mt. of Olives.

That is usually how the good teachers I like teach it. I just don't see it saying Jesus will descend to the Mt. of Olives, but do see in Isa 63:1 that he will be coming from Edom, and in Zec 14:4 that he will set his feet upon the Mt. of Olives. To dogmatically say that he will descend to the Mt. of Olives isn't supported by the exact wording of Scripture.

 

[ewq1938]

I see it this way...Jesus returns twice. The first time in the clouds when He raptures His believers then a second time when He comes to the Mt. of Olives.

There is only one second coming and he never leaves again so this returning twice concept isn't scriptural.


Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Greg Merrill]

There is only one second coming and he never leaves again so this returning twice concept isn't scriptural.


Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Semantics can lead one astray. Wishing you well, my brother. Prove all things, hold fast that which is good, 1Th 5:21.

 

[ewq1938]

Semantics can lead one astray.

Actually failure to accept what is plainly written will lead one astray. No third coming is written in the scriptures. If Jesus returns and leaves and returns again let's see the verses showing that.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Actually failure to accept what is plainly written will lead one astray. No third coming is written in the scriptures. If Jesus returns and leaves and returns again let's see the verses showing that.

1Th 4:13-18; 1Co 15:51-53; Rev 3:10; 1Th 5:9; Phil 3:20:21; Rev 4:1. Before His second coming there will be a 7 yr Tribulation on earth for Israel (Jacob's trouble.).
Christians will not go through that period, but Jesus will call them to meet Him in the air at the start of it/as it start.

 

[ewq1938]

None of those show a 2nd and 3rd coming. There remains only one return, and that's after the tribulation.

 

[-57]

There is only one second coming and he never leaves again so this returning twice concept isn't scriptural.


Heb_9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

When Christ ascended..there were clouds. When Christ returns again for the rapture there are once again clouds. We meet Christ in the air.

The second time Christ comes back riding a horse....which is not the way Christ ascended.

 

[Greg Merrill]

When Christ ascended..there were clouds. When Christ returns again for the rapture there are once again clouds. We meet Christ in the air.

The second time Christ comes back riding a horse....which is not the way Christ ascended.

Good point. Sounds like Christ is coming back twice, though the Bible doesn't use those words, it is still true. Some call it a two-part coming, part one is the rapture of and for the saints, then 7 yrs later is "the second coming" with the saints.

 

[ewq1938]

When Christ ascended..there were clouds. When Christ returns again for the rapture there are once again clouds. We meet Christ in the air.

The second time Christ comes back riding a horse....which is not the way Christ ascended.

Those are not showing two returns but the return meeting the raptured ones in the clouds and a battle that happens the same day. Christ never leaves once he returns. The horse is symbolism and the clouds can be literal and symbolism for a large group.

 

[ewq1938]

Good point. Sounds like Christ is coming back twice, though the Bible doesn't use those words, it is still true. Some call it a two-part coming, part one is the rapture of and for the saints, then 7 yrs later is "the second coming" with the saints.

You have the order wrong. Listen to Paul's chronology:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: (the second coming) and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

Since the resurrection only happens at the second coming and that we have the rapture happening AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these two verses decisively prove the pre-trib rapture to be false.

 

[-57]

Those are not showing two returns but the return meeting the raptured ones in the clouds and a battle that happens the same day. Christ never leaves once he returns. The horse is symbolism and the clouds can be literal and symbolism for a large group.

Jesus didn't leave on a horse...literal or symbolism. Acts say's Jesus will return the same way.

 

[-57]

You have the order wrong. Listen to Paul's chronology:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: (the second coming) and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

Since the resurrection only happens at the second coming and that we have the rapture happening AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these two verses decisively prove the pre-trib rapture to be false.

You said "Since the resurrection only happens at the second coming"

Do you have biblical support for that?

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus didn't leave on a horse...literal or symbolism. Acts say's Jesus will return the same way.

Rev 19 isn't the second coming but something that happens after Jesus has returned.

 

[ewq1938]

You said "Since the resurrection only happens at the second coming"

Do you have biblical support for that?

Its in those two verses.