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here are some verses I found for you, the real truth the only truth.

Matthew 24:40-41, it says, "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

Matthew 7:13-14 states, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."\\

The Final Judgment​

Matthew 25:31-46:
31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

Not everyone will make it Bob.
But he wasn't saying that everyone would "make it". He was referring to whether a person can know that they have been saved. The bible says they can:

“But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.” (1Jo 2:5 NKJV)
 
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old is a contrasting term that passages like Jer 31:31-34 pick up on as well as implicitly when the NT contrast law. The 10 also clearly establishes a covenant (Due 5:1) that predates all of these references thus implicitly an older covenant. What covenant exactly do you think "old covenant" means if not Due 5? You're the first I've heard to challenge this.
Deut 5 is a paraphrase from Moses repeating the Ten Commandments from Exo 20 40 years later telling the people of Israel (which represents God’s people) to diligently keep before entering the Promise Land, just as we are told to keep before entering our Promise Land Rev 22:14

The new covenant which means an agreement is established on better promises Heb 8:6 most people erroneously teach it is established on better and new laws, when God did not say this. His law is perfect Psa 19:7 can’t make something perfect more perfect Why its still a sin to break the least of these commandments even in the New Covenant. Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14, Rev 22:14-15
 
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But he wasn't saying that everyone would "make it". He was referring to whether a person can know that they have been saved. The bible says they can:

“But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.” (1Jo 2:5 NKJV)
The issue iis the interpretation of God’s Word- there is only one Truth, not many.. Only God knows the difference between the wheat and the tares, both grow together and look similar but God knows the heart and will sort out on Judgement Day 2 Cor 5:10 Mat 7:21-23. God tells us His TruthJohn 14:6 John 17:17 Psa 119:172 but not everyone wants to walk in the light. John 3:18-20
 
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Deut 5 is a paraphrase from Moses repeating the Ten Commandments from Exo 20 40 years later telling the people of Israel (which represents God’s people) to diligently keep before entering the Promise Land, just as we are told to keep before entering our Promise Land Rev 22:14

The new covenant which means an agreement is established on better promises Heb 8:6 most people erroneously teach it is established on better and new laws, when God did not say this. His law is perfect Psa 19:7 can’t make something perfect more perfect Why its still a sin to break the least of these commandments even in the New Covenant. Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14, Rev 22:14-15
You really know and understand scripture!
 
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You really know and understand scripture!
God is good, still so much to learn and understand. One huge principle in scripture is if we go away from God’s Word Isa 8:20 which includes His law Mark 7:7-13 there is no light, His Word is to be the light to our path Psa 119:105 and His Spirit is given to help us obey Him John 14:15-18 and to those who obey Acts 5:32. Sadly people only teach we are saved from the penalty of sin, but Christ taught we are saved from the power of sin Mat 1:21 Mat 14:15-18 John 8:31-32 God wants to free us from that bondage completely and depend on Him and His righteousness. Some of it is common sense, Lucifer sinned and broke God’s law in heaven 1 John 3:8 man was separated from God by sin Isa 59:2 doing the same things that made Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels be kicked out of heaven is not how we are reconciled. Why Jesus taught from the beginning of His preaching repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. Repentance is another big Word in scripture, it means a U turn- a change in direction and when Jesus healed- He said go and sin no more. Its impossible to do this on our own, but with God all things are possible including overcoming sin and keeping His commandments through faith and love 1 John 5:3 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12 because God knows what’s best for us, this faith reconciles us Rev 22:14
 
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Deut 5 is a paraphrase from Moses repeating the Ten Commandments from Exo 20 40 years later telling the people of Israel (which represents God’s people) to diligently keep before entering the Promise Land, just as we are told to keep before entering our Promise Land Rev 22:14

The new covenant which means an agreement is established on better promises Heb 8:6 most people erroneously teach it is established on better and new laws, when God did not say this. His law is perfect Psa 19:7 can’t make something perfect more perfect Why its still a sin to break the least of these commandments even in the New Covenant. Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14, Rev 22:14-15
There are more than 10 commandments in the old Covenant, aren't there?
 
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Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might [d]observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

There are other laws aside from the Ten Commandments written by Moses, placed BESIDE the ark of the covenant as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 for breaking what was inside the ark- the Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God that no more was added Deut 5:22
 
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Deut 5 is a paraphrase from Moses repeating the Ten Commandments from Exo 20 40 years later telling the people of Israel (which represents God’s people) to diligently keep before entering the Promise Land, just as we are told to keep before entering our Promise Land Rev 22:14
Doesn't Deut 5 establish a covenant relationship with a very strong focus on the 10 commandments? You said scripture doesn't call the 10 the old covenant, to which covenant do you call this then? Do you not keep quoting this passage in reference to "...and he added nothing more"? you seem to be back peddling. What about Exodus 31:13, is this not the forming of a covenant relationship with the 4th commandment as its sign?

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might [d]observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

so now you do see the 10 commandments as a covenant relationship? what exactly do you think the old covenant is if not the 10?
 
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here are some verses I found for you, the real truth the only truth.
Those verses are true, but the real fact is that you are on the wrong page. I wonder after reading my post how you came up with your statement?
Not everyone will make it Bob.
Oh, how I wish that were not true. We all have to face reality.

Do you believe we can know we are saved? What part does the Holy Spirit play in our being?

Like some that post on the forum do you believe you can tell if a person will not be saved if that person does not observe the old covenant, for Israel only, Sabbath?
 
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Doesn't Deut 5 establish a covenant relationship with a very strong focus on the 10 commandments? You said scripture doesn't call the 10 the old covenant, to which covenant do you call this then? Do you not keep quoting this passage in reference to "...and he added nothing more"? you seem to be back peddling. What about Exodus 31:13, is this not the forming of a covenant relationship with the 4th commandment as its sign?



so now you do see the 10 commandments as a covenant relationship? what exactly do you think the old covenant is if not the 10?
The new convent is established on better promises. That should be our focus to figure out old promises versus the better promises. Scripture tells us.
 
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Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. 14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that you might [d]observe them in the land which you cross over to possess.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
There are other laws aside from the Ten Commandments written by Moses, placed BESIDE the ark of the covenant as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 for breaking what was inside the ark- the Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God that no more was added Deut 5:22
Are those other laws commandments?
 
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The new convent is established on better promises. That should be our focus to figure out old promises versus the better promises. Scripture tells us.
But to be clear the 10 are of the old covenant?
 
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But to be clear the 10 are of the old covenant?
It will never be "old covenant" to sin. Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 Mat 15:3-14 James 2:10-12 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

You keep focusing on the law in the covenant when God focused on the better promises. Heb 8:6 There are better promises in the New Covenant- God's law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7, why would anyone want to mess with that is beyond me. God certainly didn't Heb 8:10 but instead gave us better promises on how we can keep them because our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 Pro 28:13 Heb 10:26-30 Mat 7:21-23, we are not saved in our sins.
 
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I can't speak for @DamianWarS , but myself, I'm talking about the law and commandments because this is the Sabbath and the Law discussion area :heart:

 
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It will never be "old covenant" to sin.
Are you refusing to answer what the old covenant is? I'm asking because you've rejected the 10 as a part of the old covenant so then if not the 10 what is the old covenant? It is important because it helps me understand your perspective.
 
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Are you refusing to answer what the old covenant is? I'm asking because you've rejected the 10 as a part of the old covenant so then if not the 10 what is the old covenant? It is important because it helps me understand your perspective.
You seem to keep focusing on the New Covenant as being established on better laws when the scriptures do not teach this. The New Covenant is established on better promises. Heb 8:6.

Before the Old Covenant was based on the people doing Exo 19:8, in their strength. One of the better promises of the New Covenant is it has God doing. He said I will write My laws in your heart and mind Heb 8:10, so as long as we are not an enmity against God’s law Rom 8:7-8 but embrace what God placed in our hearts and minds and through our love to Him, He promises to us another Helper so we can keep His commandments John 14:15-18 isn’t that a much better promise? The New Covenant now has Jesus as our High Priest so instead of sacrificing animals for our si to an earthy priest, which could not take aways sins Heb 10:4 and was always a placeholder pointing forward to Christ’s sacrifice 1 Cor 5:7 Heb 10:1-22 whose great sacrifice can cleanses us from all sin and unrighteousness., so we can go directly to Jesus to repent of our sins, which means not continuing in that same path but changing our direction. He promises to cleanse us from all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 we are not just to confess our sins, we are to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 , Jesus wants us completely free from the control of Satan and the bondage he places us in by teaching we can be saved in our sins when Jesus is trying to free us as we are saved from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin Heb 10:26-30. Instead of obeying Him in our own strength He enables us to keep them through our faith of and in Him and our love to Him. Much better promises. These are just a couple, but if you keep focusing on trying to change the law God said is perfect and converts our soul Psa 19:7, one might miss out on these better promises. Jesus said when we keep our own rules in lieu of obeying God’s commandments, our heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14 exactly where God placed His law in our hearts, so I believe instead of focusing on the better laws that don’t exist in the New Covenant because its still a sin to break even the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 we should focus on the better promises, which is what the New Covenant is established on.
 
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You seem to keep focusing on the New Covenant as being established on better laws when the scriptures do not teach this. The New Covenant is established on better promises. Heb 8:6.
right now I'm asking you what you think the old covenant is since you reject that 10 is being a part of it, what then is the old covenant? Why do you refuse to answer this question?
 
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right now I'm asking you what you think the old covenant is since you reject that 10 is being a part of it, what then is the old covenant? Why do you refuse to answer this question?
Did you read my post?

You keep focusing on the law as being the old covenant, when the scripture says the NC is established on better promises, and still has God’s law written in our heart, so it is not established on better laws. Perfect can’t be made more perfect. Psa 19:7 Do you not think God doing over man doing is a better promise? Jesus blood that can cleanse us from all sin and unrighteousness over sacrificing an animal that could never take away our sin, is that not a better promise? Jesus being our Mediator where we can go directly to Him in the NC, not a better promise? Sorry that does not seem to be enough for some, but it’s huge. Its still a sin to break God’s law in the New Covenant so our focus should be claiming the better promises instead of going down a rabbit hole of trying to do anything to make God’s law ,that He personally wrote and converts our soul as being “old” and will only lead one down the wrong path Mat 7:21-23 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19 Rev 22:14-15 etc
 
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You keep focusing on the law as being the old covenant
I'm not, I'm asking you what you think the old covenant is but you seem to refuse to answer this and I don't know why. You've denied the 10 commandments are the old covenant so what then is the old covenant? How am I supposed to understand references to the old covenant if we don't understand what the Old Covenant is?
 
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I'm not, I'm asking you what you think the old covenant is but you seem to refuse to answer this and I don't know why. You've denied the 10 commandments are the old covenant so what then is the old covenant? How am I supposed to understand references to the old covenant if we don't understand what the Old Covenant is?
Why don’t you seek to find what the New Covenant is established on, better promises Heb 8:6, not changing God’s perfect law that He said He would not alter Psa 89:34. Until the focus is changed what the New Covenant is established on, those better promises, one will only be looking in the wrong direction.
 
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