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DENOMINATIONS

Discussion in 'Deeper Fellowship' started by Andy centek, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. Andy centek

    Andy centek Seeker of Deep Truth Supporter

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    DENOMINATIONS

    What I am about to write here will not set well with most of today's church goers: But then the words of Jesus Christ did not set will with Judeah either. Nonetheless, I chose to follow the teaching of the apostle Paul and not of man. Christ Jesus shall be My judge. What did the Jews do to Jesus for what He taught? What was done to the other apostles for their teaching?

    Man has chosen to establish Their Denomination setup in place of the unity of the Spirit. The apostle Paul was appointed as the apostle to the Gentile world, to teach them about Christ crucified. There was to be One Church, the Body of Christ, then man came along and followed after the wrong One doctrine of Denominations. So where then did this denominational idea come from? Was it from Jesus Christ of His apostle Paul? Absolutely not!

    This idea came in the same way that the other things which are anti-christ came into being, by the spirit of evilness.

    Php 2:4-16 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Wherefore God also has highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every language (tongue) should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Wherefore, My beloved, as You have always obeyed, not as in My presence only, but now much more in My absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

    Do all things without murmurings and disputings:That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither labored in vain.

    Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.

    Andy Centek
     
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  2. Sam91

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    Hi, so are you advocating any particular denomination? What are you saying? Do away with denominations? Then how would things go?

    I like the idea of harmony etc but with many Churches reading the scriptures differently to each other what is one to do?

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  3. rockytopva

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    I believe in the seven churches as ages...

    Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
    Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
    Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
    Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
    Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
    Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
    Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

    Christ Jesus walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks, which are the seven churches, and who holds all we lights within the congregations in his right hand...

    Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 2:1

    So all the many congregations and denominations are genuine Christian churches, making up the whole Christian church.
     
  4. Dale

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    Andy,

    I do see a problem with your position. You denounce denominations, but that doesn't put us any closer to knowing what church to go to. There were numerous splits even in the first few centuries. You can denounce the splits, but how do we know which side is wrong? How do we know which side is right?
     
  5. Serving Zion

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    Luke 19:14 contains the clue, as does 2 Peter 2:1.
     
  6. RaymondG

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    "non-denom" is, itself a denomination. It is a name called to a group of people that separated them from the other groups of Christians. People in your denomination, will agree with you, while those in other denominations wont.
     
  7. Albion

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    Right to the heart of the issue! :oldthumbsup:
     
  8. Andy centek

    Andy centek Seeker of Deep Truth Supporter

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  9. Andy centek

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    Hello Dale:
    I begin my answer to Your questions with this: Can you find anywhere in the scriptures where we are told to form various kinds of Denominations? No, you can not.
    What you do find however is that Paul, the apostle to us gentiles, tells us that true walk is in Jesus Christ. What then does this require? It requires that we follow after Him and His apostles teachings to the Gentiles. If one seeks to walk the same walk that the Jews did, then the same results will happen at the time of ones judgment.
    Jesus never told any of His disciples or apostles to create Denominations. Denominations is division of the one Body of Christ. Those who practice this will have to give account at their judgment time.
    What is the question then arises: Why did you not follow after what I commanded Paul to teach to the Gentiles?
    Each must chose their own road. I chose to walk on the One He set in place, not what man has set in place.

    Blessings

    Andy Centek
     
  10. Andy centek

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  11. Dale

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    Does that mean that you refuse to attend any church? Where does that leave us?

    You say tht Jesus didn't tell the Apostles to create Denominations. Neither did he say not to.

    Jesus didn't tell us to translate the Bible into English. He left that to our judgment.
     
  12. Albion

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    However, right in the New Testament we find Paul writing to different churches with different characteristics including different ideas. They amounted to different denominations.

    In addition to them, we know that there were many competing varieties of Christianity in the age when the Apostles were still alive. Historians claim that there were at least 80 such.
     
  13. Andy centek

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  14. Andy centek

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    HI Dale:
    That is correct, I do not attend a church any longer since I found the truth 0f what the apostle Paul told His people. Being in unity of the Spirit is not what Denominations are. Denominations are separation from the One Body of Christ.
    Perhaps then the question may arise of, how do you then learn what is needed. The answer is, through the Holy Spirit that is graciously offerd by God through His Son Christ Jesus to those in the Body of Christ.

    I played church long enough over the years to know that is not what is needed spiritually. Christ, and the Holy Spirit is what is needed to find the truth of what is written.

    Andy Centek
     
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    That's going to take some explanation. From what I can tell, the only way it makes sense is if each person were an island unto himself, in which case he would be, in effect, one more denomination, however small.
     
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  16. Andy centek

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  17. Andy centek

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    HI Dale:

    Well I consider a Denomination one that is created by man, not the Lord or God. Such as Baptist, Lutheran and so on.
    Paul, the apostle appointed to the Gentiles by Jesus Christ did not tell Him to start such Denominations, He told Him to teach UNITY OF THE SPIRIT, not seperation into Denominations.

    Andy Centek
     
  18. Andy centek

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    Where did they come from? Who set them up? Did Jesus Christ tell the apostle Paul, whom He appoint apostle over the Gentiles to create denominations and break up Christianity i
     
  19. Andy centek

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    The Denomination thing:

    Rom_15:6 That you may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    2Co_13:11
    Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

    Then why do Denominations teach different things? Is that being in unity of the Spirit? Does that glorify God? Or does it glorify men?

    Andy Centek
     
  20. Radagast

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    In others words, you have completely separated yourself from the Body of Christ.

    That's exactly what they are, even though the unity is not yet complete.
     
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