Denaturalization

[durangodawood]

It hardly should be chilling, Trump and Trump supporters have been called all kinds of names for a long time now.

A bunch of randos dont speak for me.

The President speaks for the country. And to hear those words and tone out of his mouth about a whole nationality of people genuinely disgusted me, as it would for most people - Id like to think.

 

[JSRG]

I'm talking about denaturalization here. I'm not concerned about just revoking green cards in this thread.

The issue is, your language indicated otherwise. You claimed:

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

"Denaturalize legal immigrants" is an oxymoron, because only citizens can be denaturalized. If you are a citizen, you were either born in the US (thus not an immigrant) or came to the US and gained citizenship, at which point your status is no longer "legal immigrant", a term normally used for those who immigrated legally but are not citizens. In a certain sense they still are, but the term is not normally used for that, and furthermore would certainly include the non-citizens.

Your phrasing in this topic thus leaves it unclear what you are talking about in some of your posts. Clearer terms to use would be:
1) "Naturalized citizen" for an immigrant who gained citizenship
2) "Legal immigrant" for a non-citizen immigrant who entered the country legally ("legal alien" would be even more clear, but the decline in "alien" as a term to refer to immigrants makes it sound odd)

 

[Yttrium]

If you are a citizen, you were either born in the US (thus not an immigrant) or came to the US and gained citizenship, at which point your status is no longer "legal immigrant", a term normally used for those who immigrated legally but are not citizens.

This. Denaturalizing them. Hope that clears things up.

 

[DaisyDay]

I think immigrants should be asked, "If war broke out between the United States and your home country, which side would you support?" It the answer isn't immediately "The United States," they should leave.

They are, in a way; as part of the nationalization swearing in, new citizens have to swear loyalty to the country and its constitution.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

They are, in a way; as part of the nationalization swearing in, new citizens have to swear loyalty to the country and its constitution.

Okay. Then we should get rid of dual citizenship.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Did you hear him? The sneering contempt. It was chilling actually, hearing our head of state talk about whole nationality like that.

I will never treat this behavior as normal. Anyone that stands behind him saying these things is frankly, just as garbage as what they are complaining about. People who think this way make us all look bad.

 

[comana]

Okay. Then we should get rid of dual citizenship.

Why? What harm does it cause.

 

[DaisyDay]

Okay. Then we should get rid of dual citizenship.

People are saying that it's in the offing. Will the Jews be forced to choose or will they be given an exception?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Why? What harm does it cause.

What good does it bring? Why wouldn't someone renounce their home country citizenship if they truly want to be a US citizen? What happens when war breaks out between the United States and the country you are also a citizen of? Should you be in the military with dual citizenship?

 

[comana]

What good does it bring? Why wouldn't someone renounce their home country citizenship if they truly want to be a US citizen? What happens when war breaks out between the United States and the country you are also a citizen of? Should you be in the military with dual citizenship?

Dual citizenship has benefits. Many are also born dual citizens so which should they denounce? They may choose to live in one country or the other at different times in their life.

As to both countries at war with each other? They might decide to stay neutral or maybe they find one more at fault or in the wrong and choose to defend the other.

 

[jonojim1337]

I don’t appreciate these democracies giving citizenship left and right to people. This is the office of Caesar alone.

 

[PloverWing]

Many are also born dual citizens so which should they denounce?

This is the context in which I've encountered dual citizenship -- people born as dual citizens. A number of my college friends, for example, were children of American missionaries serving overseas, so they were citizens both of the US (because of their parents) and of the country in which they were born.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

People are saying that it's in the offing. Will the Jews be forced to choose or will they be given an exception?

Why should Jews be an exception?

 

[jonojim1337]

Why should Jews be an exception?

 

[DaisyDay]

Why should Jews be an exception?

AIPAC and Zionism.

 

[Desk trauma]

AIPAC and Zionism.

The second one has the potential to blow up in their face if the more extreme elements win out over the pragmatic ones. How better to force Jews to do their duty and return to Zion than for the largest populations outside of it be loose citizenship and be driven out with no where else to go?

 

[Robban]

I think immigrants should be asked, "If war broke out between the United States and your home country, which side would you support?" It the answer isn't immediately "The United States," they should leave.

Not so fast, the apple does not fall far from tree, there will always be memories.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

Should the government be able to denaturalize legal immigrants if they've committed crimes in the US? Or for any reason at all? For that matter, should the government be able to revoke the citizenship of citizens born in the US and deport them? Although discussion of babies born in the US of illegal immigrants would deserve another thread, I wouldn't consider it to be off topic here.

Personally, I am currently against denaturalization unless fraud was committed during the application process (as per 8 U.S.C. Section 1451). As far as I'm concerned, once you're a citizen, you remain a citizen unless you voluntarily move out and revoke your citizenship.

Now, this isn't meant as a criticism of the Trump administration. They're exploring the legality of denaturalization, and that's fine. I would just hope that they run into a hard legal wall.

MSN

I would say that it depends on the crime and how many offenses they’re committing. I’m not sure but if they’ve renounced their citizenship in their previous country then I don’t know where the US government could deport them to. I don’t think the US government can just drop them off in a country that they are not a citizen of, so I’m not sure how that would work.