Dems want a ‘democracy’ where the majority lords it over everyone else.

[DaisyDay]

The point is women shouldn’t vote.

The point is that women should vote so as to be represented actually.

 

[DaisyDay]

I never said the latter.

You've made that point repeatedly.

 

[Desk trauma]

Should implies something isn’t a certain way but would be better if it was that way.

Good news, the US does not have compulsory voting so you're free to try to get women to refrain from voting.

 

[DaisyDay]

Male in-laws.

You would have an eight day old cousin-in-law once removed - but a male! cousin-in-law - represent a grown woman, but not allow her to represent herself? That is almost Taliban level misogyny.

 

[Adam56]

You would have an eight day old cousin-in-law once removed - but a male! cousin-in-law - represent a grown woman, but not allow her to represent herself? That is almost Taliban level misogyny.

The whining in this post is almost satirical.

Side question: do you believe in God?

 

[Ana-Maria]

You would have an eight day old cousin-in-law once removed - but a male! cousin-in-law - represent a grown woman, but not allow her to represent herself? That is almost Taliban level misogyny.

An 8-day-old can’t vote. Firstly: the right to vote has historically been closely linked with fighting for your country, something that we as women aren’t required to. I don’t believe women belong in the military as men are the defenders and women the caretakers. So I naturally don’t believe women should have anything to do with voting. Secondly: going back to the caretakers / nurturer point; women raise the next generation(s) of men, so even a fatherless widow (who most likely isn’t a hermit living in a mountain cave) can be involved in her community helping “the village” guide / advice / raise the youth: their collective actions already represent her. Thirdly: I don’t believe in concepts such as “misogyny” popularised by socially disruptive movements aka feminism. I admire the Taliban for properly implementing their religion, unlike modern Christians who have let themselves become a laughingstock sadly.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The whining in this post is almost satirical.

Side question: do you believe in God?

What's that got to do with the right to vote?

 

[Adam56]

What's that got to do with the right to vote?

It doesn’t, hence why it was a side question.

 

[Desk trauma]

. I admire the Taliban for properly implementing their religion

Well….just when you thought you had seen it all here.

 

[DaisyDay]

The whining in this post is almost satirical.

Oh great. Personal insults are not arguments.

Side question: do you believe in God?

Less and less. Why? What has that got to do with women's suffrage and democracy?

 

[Adam56]

Less and less. Why? What has that got to do with women's suffrage and democracy?

it makes sense you push for abortion rights if you don’t believe in God.

 

[Pommer]

Good, women shouldn’t vote anyway. Keep serving your husband.

Half the population should have no say in how they’re governed?
How quaint.

 

[DaisyDay]

An 8-day-old can’t vote.

So they have the same status as women.

Firstly: the right to vote has historically been closely linked with fighting for your country, something that we as women aren’t required to.

No, that's not true. The right to vote in my country has been closely linked to owning land and paying taxes. No one in my country is required to fight in a war, outside members of our voluntary military which do include us women. Immigrants who fight in our military still are not allowed to vote unless they become citizens. Your understanding of voting rights and responsibilities in the US seems faulty at best.

I don’t believe women belong in the military as men are the defenders and women the caretakers. So I naturally don’t believe women should have anything to do with voting

Seems backwards. Caretakers, one might think, are best suited looking out for the good of the country.

Secondly: going back to the caretakers / nurturer point; women raise the next generation(s) of men, so even a fatherless widow (who most likely isn’t a hermit living in a mountain cave) can be involved in her community helping “the village” guide / advice / raise the youth: their collective actions already represent her.

A voice without a vote is muted when it comes to laws affecting the community.

Thirdly: I don’t believe in concepts such as “misogyny” popularised by socially disruptive movements aka feminism. I admire the Taliban for properly implementing their religion, unlike modern Christians who have let themselves become a laughingstock sadly.

You don't have to believe in the concept as long as you fit the definition. Caspar doesn't have to believe in ghosts after all.

 

[Ana-Maria]

So they have the same status as women.

No, that's not true. The right to vote in my country has been closely linked to owning land and paying taxes. No one in my country is required to fight in a war, outside members of our voluntary military which do include us women. Immigrants who fight in our military still are not allowed to vote unless they become citizens. Your understanding of voting rights and responsibilities in the US seems faulty at best.

Seems backwards. Caretakers, one might think, are best suited looking out for the good of the country.

A voice without a vote is muted when it comes to laws affecting the community.


You don't have to believe in the concept as long as you fit the definition. Caspar doesn't have to believe in ghosts after all.

No, 8-day-olds can’t vote because they are not of age yet, women shouldn’t vote because it’s not part of their role in society. 2 different things. Almost all male US citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. Women don’t have to. So yes, men are required to fight in a war if the time comes, women aren’t. The draft is paused in the US, not abolished. If you want secular equality the logical solution is either abolish the draft, include women, or repeal the 19th amendment. Defenders and providers are the best suited for looking out for the country. I don’t agree. A voice can influence the vote through its actions without needing to do it. Sure, but just because you make out a definition doesn’t mean the concept exists in reality; especially not feminist ones.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No, 8-day-olds can’t vote because they are not of age yet, women shouldn’t vote because it’s not part of their role in society.

Says who?

2 different things. Almost all male US citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. Women don’t have to. So yes, men are required to fight in a war if the time comes, women aren’t.

Why should that matter? When I was 18-25 we did have a war and I was not required to fight in it. I am past the age of compulsory service and I doubt they'd take me if I volunteered. Does that mean *I* shouldn't be allowed to vote?

The draft is paused in the US, not abolished. If you want secular equality the logical solution is either abolish the draft, include women, or repeal the 19th amendment. Defenders and providers are the best suited for looking out for the country.

I'm fine with either of those first two (end selective service, or include all), but I see no reason to think "defenders" are better suited to "look out for the country".

I don’t agree. A voice can influence the vote through its actions without needing to do it. Sure, but just because you make out a definition doesn’t mean the concept exists in reality; especially not feminist ones.

Or you, know, they could just vote for themselves. I heard a wild rumor the other day that women were people, some even citizens. Can you confirm that?

 

[JustOneWay]

it makes sense you push for abortion rights if you don’t believe in God.

Why? Plenty of Christians think abortion should be legal.

 

[Adam56]

Why? Plenty of Christians think abortion should be legal.

While that is true, it’s a higher ratio among non believers.

 

[comana]

No, 8-day-olds can’t vote because they are not of age yet, women shouldn’t vote because it’s not part of their role in society. 2 different things. Almost all male US citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service. Women don’t have to. So yes, men are required to fight in a war if the time comes, women aren’t. The draft is paused in the US, not abolished. If you want secular equality the logical solution is either abolish the draft, include women, or repeal the 19th amendment. Defenders and providers are the best suited for looking out for the country. I don’t agree. A voice can influence the vote through its actions without needing to do it. Sure, but just because you make out a definition doesn’t mean the concept exists in reality; especially not feminist ones.

Military service is not a requirement to vote in the US. Also women are in the military and so qualify as defenders. They also are providers. Sounds like they qualify to make decisions for the country as well as men.

I would prefer the draft registration requirement be ended, but as long as it is required, I also think it should include women.

Patriarchal rule has had its day. Disallowing or discouraging women’s participation in governing and voting is/was a historical mistake.

 

[JustOneWay]

While that is true, it’s a higher ratio among non believers.

How do you know? Do you have any actual statistics?

Here is this

Apparently abortion is accepted with a higher ratio between religious groups. For this argument it is not even worth mentioning the percentage of non-believers what they think due to the fact that even most religious people in America support abortion.

Religious Landscape Study | Pew Research Center

The Religious Landscape Study is a comprehensive survey of more than 35,000 Americans’ religious identities, beliefs and practices that’s been conducted in 2007, 2014 and 2023-24. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Adam56]

How do you know? Do you have any actual statistics?

Here is this

Apparently abortion is accepted with a higher ratio between religious groups. For this argument it is not even worth mentioning the percentage of non-believers what they think due to the fact that even most religious people in America support abortion.

Religious Landscape Study | Pew Research Center

The Religious Landscape Study is a comprehensive survey of more than 35,000 Americans’ religious identities, beliefs and practices that’s been conducted in 2007, 2014 and 2023-24. Pew Research Center.

www.pewresearch.org

So most religious Christian’s are against it.