Demons

[TheCheat1]

And God never supported any kind of idolatry!

 

[Kelly]

I believe that material things can get in the way of one's walk, and it's sinful, but this is not idolatry. I think the Bible is quite specific that's its putting other 'gods' before the Lord. The israelites adopted the house gods of the Philistines. Especially fertility gods. They've found little statues of beds and statues of men and woman figures with oversized naughty bits in archeological digs on ancient israeli homes. I think people were depending on these falsehoods like people turn to horoscopes, fortune telling, feng shui, tai chi, yoga and such today.

 

[MaidforHim]

I do not watch the news if my life depend on it. I hear too many horror stories that make me sad. This world is very sad. I heard from a lady at work how this lady killed her children and then put them in the washer and dryer. She asked me how could someone do that. All I could reply is those demons. What is your knowledge about demons and scripture? What is a good book about demonolgy? I experienced...a lot of encounters with spirits. Demons...too, Do you think that is the only reason people can be so sick?

I believe that the unsaved are open to demon attack and posession. However, I believe that a Christian cannot be posessed. We can however be harrassed, but the mere mention of Jesus name sends demons fleeing. I think there are many Christians who don't realize the extent of the protection and safty God has given us.

I think some illness comes from evil, but not most of them. We live in a fallen world where our bodies decay and are subject to illness and disease. It's one of the consequences from the fall of man, Adams sin brought death into the world.

I do think that horrible things like you mentioned with the woman who killed her children are very often caused by demonic activity. I also think that a great deal of mental illness is the result or sign of demonic activity too. If you look at Saul and his behavior it gives you some insight.

Our world can be sad, scary, and contains a lot of evil I don't know how anyone, or why anyone would or could live in this world without Jesus Christ in their hearts and by their sides, that to me is the saddest thing of all.

I feel so blessed and protected to know that:

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1Jo 4:4 - Show Context

I hope it brings you some peace today too

 

[Krysstian]

<I believe that the unsaved are open to demon attack and posession. However, I believe that a Christian cannot be posessed. We can however be harrassed, but the mere mention of Jesus name sends demons fleeing. I think there are many Christians who don't realize the extent of the protection and safty God has given us.>

I don&#8217;t know. Someone that is in my family is a minister and hes addicted to crack. He does the craziest things and when I lived with him for a moment (not by choice) I was under spiritual warfare like never before. I was constantly casting out evil spirits out of our home but it seems like no matter what I do it didn&#8217;t matter. He was letting Satan control him and the household.

When I was living with him its like that house was prone to evil sprits. I was constantly in prayer. One night I was on a phone with a friend. He seems like a hypochondriac at times. So I told him to keep those spirits in his house and don&#8217;t be passing it to me. He laughed but I was serious. All of the sudden, I got real quite because I felt this horrible presence. My chest started to feel tight as if someone was sitting on it. I just felt this huge pressure upon the whole room. My friend running his mouth, I started to focus on where it was coming from. I saw that demon. Ugly too, and so I stood up and said what every Christian tells me to say. I command you in the name of Jesus to leave. Lol YEA RIGHT! That thing was ready to fight. I had to tell my friend to hold on, I stood up and said. &#8220;I am not playing with you Satan, I command you through the blood of Jesus Christ, in the name of Yahweh LEAVE! He still didn&#8217;t leave CRAZY! So I started to speak in tongues&#8230;and he slowly left the house hold. He came right back because I wasn&#8217;t the one feeding him. That spirit was so thick on that man&#8230;it was like spirits feed off of him. But who was in the pool pit preaching? So I doubt that demons are choosy. Its like I know we are children of God but what worth does it has if we don&#8217;t know it, what worth does it have if we don&#8217;t know the power of it?

MaidforHim the word is powerful but you got to understand not every Christian is like you. Not everyone is going to use God&#8217;s word or yet, believe it!

 

[MaidforHim]

<I believe that the unsaved are open to demon attack and posession. However, I believe that a Christian cannot be posessed. We can however be harrassed, but the mere mention of Jesus name sends demons fleeing. I think there are many Christians who don't realize the extent of the protection and safty God has given us.>

I don’t know. Someone that is in my family is a minister and hes addicted to crack. He does the craziest things and when I lived with him for a moment (not by choice) I was under spiritual warfare like never before. I was constantly casting out evil spirits out of our home but it seems like no matter what I do it didn’t matter. He was letting Satan control him and the household.

I think I understand what your saying. My pastor just gave a teaching on this a few weeks ago. I will try to find the scripture that supports the fact that Christians, cannot be possessed.

I think the key to this situation is your own words ... He was LETTING Satan control him. I think that is a big difference from someone who is actually possessed. I think the non-believer can be possessed without consent, particularly when their actions put them in evil enviornments or situations, BUT the believer is protected from that.

Now choosing to allow Satan to control you may be a whole different thing.

And if a person knowingly chooses to let Satan control them are they really saved?

I think spiritual warfare and being under attack from the outside are not the same as being possessed, taken hold of, from the inside.

His choices may bring about as a consequence this spiritual warfare, but that does not necessarily mean he is possessed and has an evil spirit residing within him, particularly if he is truly saved. At least not from what I know of scripture. It sounds like he is under attack and being tormented for sure.

I was taught not to "rebuke" myself... like not to say "I rebuke you in Jesus name" BUT rather to say "The Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you" because it is Jesus who does the actual casting out. Also Jesus told his disciples that some demons require prayer and fasting to be cast out.

I am no expert and sure don't envy your situation, I will say a prayer for you all And if I can find that scripture I will post it here.

 

[TheCheat1]

Actually, ANYTHING can be an idol. ANYTHING. From money to a car to even a painting of Christ.

 

[TheCheat1]

Not trying to offend you, Krysstian, but who is this family member really preaching for? A pastor, preacher, minister or reverend should be ulta-unmovably ground in their faith to be able to hold that place. Not saying they won't sin, but they definitely should not be on crack, or regularly letting Satan in for a get-together. Pray for him, (not saying you haven't already) and literally ask God to make him miserable in anything he does that is not of or for God (basically, sin). Did he see or hear you casting out demons? Ask him to stop and if he refuses, bring back-up next time (Christian friends, family members). If he still won't listen, or continues doing crack and allowing evil in his home willingly (without a thought of it), then it's time to bring it in front of the church body. (The Matthew Principle).

God bless!

 

[Krysstian]

I dont live with him (my Step Pops) and he was preaching for over 20 years while he was on crack. What church? I don't know. MaidforHim, I will continue to say I, because I have Jesus Christ living on the inside of me...

 

[TheCheat1]

When I was living with him its like that house was prone to evil sprits. I was constantly in prayer. One night I was on a phone with a friend. He seems like a hypochondriac at times. So I told him to keep those spirits in his house and don&#8217;t be passing it to me. He laughed but I was serious. All of the sudden, I got real quite because I felt this horrible presence. My chest started to feel tight as if someone was sitting on it. I just felt this huge pressure upon the whole room. My friend running his mouth, I started to focus on where it was coming from. I saw that demon. Ugly too, and so I stood up and said what every Christian tells me to say. I command you in the name of Jesus to leave. Lol YEA RIGHT! That thing was ready to fight. I had to tell my friend to hold on, I stood up and said. &#8220;I am not playing with you Satan, I command you through the blood of Jesus Christ, in the name of Yahweh LEAVE! He still didn&#8217;t leave CRAZY! So I started to speak in tongues&#8230;and he slowly left the house hold. He came right back because I wasn&#8217;t the one feeding him. That spirit was so thick on that man&#8230;it was like spirits feed off of him. But who was in the pool pit preaching? So I doubt that demons are choosy. Its like I know we are children of God but what worth does it has if we don&#8217;t know it, what worth does it have if we don&#8217;t know the power of it?

No, demons don't care who as long as they destroy someone. They do, however, specifically try to destroy believers. And yes, if you don't truly understand the impossible-to-match power behind the Name of Jesus Christ, saying it is no gain to anyone, they will just be hollow words.

MaidforHim the word is powerful but you got to understand not every Christian is like you. Not everyone is going to use God&#8217;s word or yet, believe it!

Sadly, you are completely right.

 

[MaidforHim]

Its like I know we are children of God but what worth does it has if we don&#8217;t know it, what worth does it have if we don&#8217;t know the power of it?

I think this is where God's grace comes in. God is a loving God and our heavenly father. Like a good father God does not leave his fledgling Christians, his youngest or weakest of believers out in the world alone. He never gives us more than we can handle.

Of course learning His Word and what that means to each of us is our duty as believers. I think our faith comes with the responsibility to learn. However, there are those who are too young, or have limited intelegence or ageing minds... God doesn't leave any out in the cold just because they are unaware of the power or gifts we are blessed with. I think He protects each of us in the way we need it.

I think there may be times where God allows a situation to challenge us, but I believe he uses those situations to spur us on to learn and grow in Him, not to harm or discourage us.

I don't think demons are choosy, but I think God has specific boundaries that they are not allowed to cross. Also, Satan is not all knowing like God is. He also cannot be in more than one place at one time like God can. He would like you to think he is God's equal, but he is not. He is a created being who depends on his evil demons to do his work.

Scary world sometimes, sure is nice to have Jesus by our sides isn't it

 

[TheCheat1]

Cool, but Krysstian posted that. I just quoted her.

 

[Starcrystal]

I dont live with him (my Step Pops) and he was preaching for over 20 years while he was on crack. What church? I don't know. MaidforHim, I will continue to say I, because I have Jesus Christ living on the inside of me...

Shouldn't have been preaching.... but on the other hand he probably still bore some fruit if he was preaching the Word because the Word if God shall not return void. This was also something recently discussed in our church and the pastor stated that there are Ministers who are unsaved but their preaching still bears fruits if they are preaching from the Word about salvation.
Anyways, not saying he won't be saved but he really needs to deal with the crack issue and get on his face before God for deliverance.

 

[MaidforHim]

Cool, but Krysstian posted that. I just quoted her.

sorry

 

[Krysstian]

Shouldn't have been preaching.... but on the other hand he probably still bore some fruit if he was preaching the Word because the Word if God shall not return void. This was also something recently discussed in our church and the pastor stated that there are Ministers who are unsaved but their preaching still bears fruits if they are preaching from the Word about salvation.
Anyways, not saying he won't be saved but he really needs to deal with the crack issue and get on his face before God for deliverance.

Yea Right, that man twist the Word of God sooo good...He will make you believe its real

 

[TheCheat1]

What? I don't know what you mean. That God's Word is real? Or what he says is real? Please clarify? I don't want to misquote anyone.

 

[TheCheat1]

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[Dr. Holly]

I may have stepped in to this thread at a bad time (or maybe not) but without reading the rest of the posts on this thread, I will comment on the OP.

I am also one of those that believe demons get too much credit for many things going on in the world today. Afterall, God did give each of us free will and we're certainly welcome to make good or bad decisions. However, I am a firm believer in what demons are capable of making people do and have seen demon posession for myself, as I was raised as a "PK." (preacher's kid) I also believe strongly in generational curses, such as anger problems.

I believe a lot of what we have going on today is a result of desensitization. By that I mean abnormal behavior has quickly become "the norm" because worldy people see so much of it on a regular basis, by means of tv, radio, internet, etc. A good example is school shootings and violence. Someone sees this on the news and begins to entertain the thoughts that maybe they'd be likely to do something of that kind. Because they saw someone else do it, why not do it themselves? Monkey see, monkey do! It's sad and unfortunate, but it is the reality of the world we live in today. We as Christians and prayer warriors must be aware of this and pray that much harder.

I will also say that I have read an amazing book about demons and "familiar spirits" that affect one's life. It is a very easy read and so applicable to daily life. I highly recommend everyone who can to get it. The book is called, "Shadow Boxing" written by Dr. Henry Malone. You may find that there are weaknesses in your own life and this book gives detailed instructions on how to close that door to the enemy. A must read in my opinion for every believer!

God bless all of you

 

[RenaeNicole]

I too may have stepped in at the wrong time. But here is my two cents worth.

I believe in the power of the demons, just as I believe in the power of Satan. However, as someone stated earlier in the thread, we were all given free will. We have a choice. A choice to do good or to do bad.
Yes, we can justify our bad behavior by saying that the demons made us do it. But really it all boils down to our choice. Just because the option is avaliable does not mean that we have to choose it.
God sees what we go through, and he provides a way out of every situation. No matter how bad or hopeless it may seem.
So, as much as I believe there are demons and that Satan does use them, ultimately I believe it is us who decide whether or not to let a demon control us and our actions

 

[Krysstian]

He would take something out of context. Way out of context. One time he told me the word said that your not suppose to help anyone even if you know they need help. I'm not sure if thats true but I will stick to what God tells me what to do. I'm always a giver of myself regardless how I feel, If the Lord said do it, I do it! Like for instance, it will be the word of God but he would use it for his benefit. Like a pentecostal pimp. They would smooth talk women the word of God, give them "prophecies" but really tryna get some booty!

 

[Starcrystal]

He would take something out of context. Way out of context. One time he told me the word said that your not suppose to help anyone even if you know they need help. I'm not sure if thats true but I will stick to what God tells me what to do. I'm always a giver of myself regardless how I feel, If the Lord said do it, I do it! Like for instance, it will be the word of God but he would use it for his benefit. Like a pentecostal pimp. They would smooth talk women the word of God, give them "prophecies" but really tryna get some booty!

Well, the Scriptures certainly do NOT say not to help someone even if they need help. Actually just the opposite. We are supposed to help, and to the point of not even letting our left hand know what our right hand does. I take that as meaning if you give a bum some money you're not really supposed to worry whether he's going to buy boose or drugs. that's between him and God - you have been obedient. In fact I knew someone in law enforcement that even believed if they did buy a beer that maybe getting the money to buy that 1 beer prevented them from stealing the money, stealing the beer from the store, or even suicide if they were very depressed and the beer calmed theim down! WOW! I had never looked at it that way, and this guy was not supportive of alcohol but had explained this to Christians who sometimes held back from giving to bums.

Yeah, I've seen the use of scriptures to impress women to make them think the guy is all high and mighty spiritual. In fact in the 80s I caught some dude doing this and I knew full well that outside of church he cussed like a demon, he smoked and drugged. I secretly warned one girl he was hittin on and she thanked me for openning her eyes to what was going on.