Demons

[onelamb2]

Well if we all need to follow the scripture word for word to be a Christian....There is a whole lot of people who are not christians A WHOLE LOT.

I don't think that Satan have favorites or choosy. He wants to kill all of God's creations. So just because we might have the blood of christ over us...doesnt mean the enemy wont mess with us

Right Krysstian

There is no human being perfect enough to follow the scripture totally word for word. Those saying that think they are perfect but are in for a surprise.

 

[Krysstian]

Right Krysstian

There is no human being perfect enough to follow the scripture totally word for word. Those saying that think they are perfect but are in for a surprise.

They must be insecure...Christians...I don't have to be perfect, My Heavenly Father is..I can try to be perfect but why stress myself out?

 

[Starcrystal]

the above that you listed ARE demons

Drugs, mental illness, pure hatred, revenge.
These things are not demons, but they can be influenced by demons.
Lets take drugs. Drugs are either plants or chemicals. The plants were created by God! So they certainly are NOT demons! However, when a person uses drugs it can open a door for demons and demons can speak to their mind if they take enough drugs (or alcohol.) There is also addiction. This is not a "demon" but it is a physiological reaction that occurs when a person doesn't have a substance their body has gotten used to having.

Mental illness. Can definitely be caused by a demon, even if it's a physical infirmity or abnormality of the brain. But not every case. It could simply be the genetic result of sin.

Pure hatred. A human emotion. However there can be demons of rage and hatred too.

Revenge: same as hatred, it's fueled by emotion and sometimes self righteousness - but it can also have a demonic influence.

Bottom line, these 4 things are not demons themselves though in some and even many cases they could be influenced by demons.

I once said concerning a "deliverance" minister who seemed to see demons behind every tree - demons of cigarettes and video games, etc. I said that if there's a demon behind every tree remember there are TWO ANGELS standing next to it! In other words, who has the upper hand, Satan or God?

 

[free2love]

Would that be straight from God

As a matter of fact, yes, it would...

Matthew 4:1-4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[free2love]

pls delete

 

[TheCheat1]

Delete what?

And the Word also says that all Scripture is God-breathed (written by God through men).

I once said concerning a "deliverance" minister who seemed to see demons behind every tree - demons of cigarettes and video games, etc. I said that if there's a demon behind every tree remember there are TWO ANGELS standing next to it! In other words, who has the upper hand, Satan or God?

Amen.

(and I like video games, thank you very much!)

 

[free2love]

Drugs, mental illness, pure hatred, revenge.
These things are not demons, but they can be influenced by demons.
Lets take drugs. Drugs are either plants or chemicals. The plants were created by God! So they certainly are NOT demons! However, when a person uses drugs it can open a door for demons and demons can speak to their mind if they take enough drugs (or alcohol.) There is also addiction. This is not a "demon" but it is a physiological reaction that occurs when a person doesn't have a substance their body has gotten used to having.

Mental illness. Can definitely be caused by a demon, even if it's a physical infirmity or abnormality of the brain. But not every case. It could simply be the genetic result of sin.

Pure hatred. A human emotion. However there can be demons of rage and hatred too.

Revenge: same as hatred, it's fueled by emotion and sometimes self righteousness - but it can also have a demonic influence.

Bottom line, these 4 things are not demons themselves though in some and even many cases they could be influenced by demons.

I once said concerning a "deliverance" minister who seemed to see demons behind every tree - demons of cigarettes and video games, etc. I said that if there's a demon behind every tree remember there are TWO ANGELS standing next to it! In other words, who has the upper hand, Satan or God?

Well, you sure have a lot of opinions. Do you have any scriptures to back them up or are you just making it up as you go along?

 

[Krysstian]

Well, you sure have a lot of opinions. Do you have any scriptures to back them up or are you just making it up as you go along?

free2love...they do what they do best. TALK. LOL like most Christians. Who sit forever trying to prove me something and I do not hear one scripture. Its nature...

 

[Starcrystal]

Well, you sure have a lot of opinions. Do you have any scriptures to back them up or are you just making it up as you go along?

Must people insist on seeing scripture quoted in order to make something valid?
I have in this thread referred to the scripture when Jesus healed people and it was in fact a demon, and other cases it just said they were sick. So that scripturally shows some to be demonic and some to be physical which would be resultant of the curse brought about by sin as recorded in Genesis 3.

So here you go: Matthew 4:24
"And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them."

Note it says diseases which is Greek Nosos, meaning simply sickness, then it says torments, Greek basanos, meaning the pain of sickness, then it says "those which were possessed with devils," which is Greek daimonizomai meaning to be under the control of a devil. This last one when applied to sickness (according to the Strongs site), "these are persons, afflicted with especially severe diseases, either bodily or mentally, (such as paralysis, blindness, deafness, loss of speech, epilepsy, melancholy, insanity, etc.) whose bodies in the opinion of the Jews demons had entered, and so held possession of them as not only to afflict them with ills, but also to dethrone the reason and take its place themselves."

So these severe diseases may be demonically produced, but I doubt something like a cold or a virus is because we know it is caused by an organism, bacteria, or some natural thing. However we can conclude this natural thing ionly exists as a result of sin & the curse and it will be banished forever at the millenial kingdom

 

[free2love]

Must people insist on seeing scripture quoted in order to make something valid?
I have in this thread referred to the scripture when Jesus healed people and it was in fact a demon, and other cases it just said they were sick. So that scripturally shows some to be demonic and some to be physical which would be resultant of the curse brought about by sin as recorded in Genesis 3.

So here you go: Matthew 4:24
"And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them."

Note it says diseases which is Greek Nosos, meaning simply sickness, then it says torments, Greek basanos, meaning the pain of sickness, then it says "those which were possessed with devils," which is Greek daimonizomai meaning to be under the control of a devil. This last one when applied to sickness (according to the Strongs site), "these are persons, afflicted with especially severe diseases, either bodily or mentally, (such as paralysis, blindness, deafness, loss of speech, epilepsy, melancholy, insanity, etc.) whose bodies in the opinion of the Jews demons had entered, and so held possession of them as not only to afflict them with ills, but also to dethrone the reason and take its place themselves."

So these severe diseases may be demonically produced, but I doubt something like a cold or a virus is because we know it is caused by an organism, bacteria, or some natural thing. However we can conclude this natural thing ionly exists as a result of sin & the curse and it will be banished forever at the millenial kingdom

Right, and we can also conclude that there were none of these afflictions in Eden before Satan stole dominion from Adam, and in Job we see clearly who caused every bit of destruction to him... So what's your point? Obviously to place the blame for all these things squarely on the devil and his demon horde is biblically accurate and therefore true and just what is wrong with anyone "insisting on seeing scripture quoted in order to make something valid" anyway? The bible is the truth! This is a Christian forum and the subject is demons. There is no other source which we can trust for the truth on the matter as the devil is the 'father of lies' and is actively spreading all the confusion on this subject he can.

I'm sorry, but your post is confusing. It's like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Why would you criticize someone who is stating the truth from the word of God and then turn around and do so yourself?

 

[TheCheat1]

I agree, except one point:

Satan didn't "steal" Eden. Adam and Eve gave it away.

 

[Starcrystal]

Right, and we can also conclude that there were none of these afflictions in Eden before Satan stole dominion from Adam, and in Job we see clearly who caused every bit of destruction to him... So what's your point? Obviously to place the blame for all these things squarely on the devil and his demon horde is biblically accurate and therefore true and just what is wrong with anyone "insisting on seeing scripture quoted in order to make something valid" anyway? The bible is the truth! This is a Christian forum and the subject is demons. There is no other source which we can trust for the truth on the matter as the devil is the 'father of lies' and is actively spreading all the confusion on this subject he can.

I'm sorry, but your post is confusing. It's like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Why would you criticize someone who is stating the truth from the word of God and then turn around and do so yourself?

Regarding the last part... it refers to a response I got when I claimed drugs in and of themselves are not demons, emotions are not demons, and for those people who see a demon behind every tree, there are 2 angels for every demon.
If people were familiar with their Bible they would know God created everything and saw that it was good, that's in Genesis 1 & 2. That also means plants were good, and many "drugs" are plants: Peyote, marijuana, mushrooms, etc.
When I said there are 2 angels for every demon that is in Revelation where it says the dragon drew a third part of the stars and cast them down - most theologians believe this refers to the numebr of angels who rebelled with Lucifer.
I should be able to say something that is backed by scripture without having to quote the scriptures every single time.
The disciples & Jesus didn't quote chapter and verse, they sometimes didn't even say "It is written" but they spoke from the scriptures. What did the listeners do? Acts 17:11 says they heard the word gladly and searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Seems like a lot of people today are just plain lazy and want someone else to look it up for them all the time. What happened to digging into the Bible to find out for ones self?

People also should be able to present truth or fact that may not be covered by scripture, and it is still obviously truth. If we get too narrow minded and start claiming if the Bible doesn't talk about it then it cannot be addressed, or worse, it is Satan, then we are dangerous ground.

Example. Chemical drugs are not mentioned in scripture (Though sorcery is translated from Pharmakeus which related to pharmecutical.) The chemicals are created in a laboratory by scientists. They are a physical substance. The chemicals themselves are not a demon because a demon is an evil spirit, not a powder that's placed in a pill, or a liquid that goes in a vial. Those are chemicals. That is truth plain as day, but the Bible doesn't give us a science lesson on chemicals! However some of those chemicals and their formulaes may have been influenced by demons working on the minds of scientists, especially whoever came up with the idea to make garbage like Methamphetamine or Extacy. So the drugs themselves are NOT demons, but their use and maybe even their invention could have been inspired by demons.

 

[free2love]

Regarding the last part... it refers to a response I got when I claimed drugs in and of themselves are not demons, emotions are not demons, and for those people who see a demon behind every tree, there are 2 angels for every demon.
If people were familiar with their Bible they would know God created everything and saw that it was good, that's in Genesis 1 & 2. That also means plants were good, and many "drugs" are plants: Peyote, marijuana, mushrooms, etc.
When I said there are 2 angels for every demon that is in Revelation where it says the dragon drew a third part of the stars and cast them down - most theologians believe this refers to the numebr of angels who rebelled with Lucifer.
I should be able to say something that is backed by scripture without having to quote the scriptures every single time.
The disciples & Jesus didn't quote chapter and verse, they sometimes didn't even say "It is written" but they spoke from the scriptures. What did the listeners do? Acts 17:11 says they heard the word gladly and searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Seems like a lot of people today are just plain lazy and want someone else to look it up for them all the time. What happened to digging into the Bible to find out for ones self?

People also should be able to present truth or fact that may not be covered by scripture, and it is still obviously truth. If we get too narrow minded and start claiming if the Bible doesn't talk about it then it cannot be addressed, or worse, it is Satan, then we are dangerous ground.

Example. Chemical drugs are not mentioned in scripture (Though sorcery is translated from Pharmakeus which related to pharmecutical.) The chemicals are created in a laboratory by scientists. They are a physical substance. The chemicals themselves are not a demon because a demon is an evil spirit, not a powder that's placed in a pill, or a liquid that goes in a vial. Those are chemicals. That is truth plain as day, but the Bible doesn't give us a science lesson on chemicals! However some of those chemicals and their formulaes may have been influenced by demons working on the minds of scientists, especially whoever came up with the idea to make garbage like Methamphetamine or Extacy. So the drugs themselves are NOT demons, but their use and maybe even their invention could have been inspired by demons.

Gee, it sounds like you're pretty knowledgable about drugs... Ever heard of 'pharmakeia' i.e.: sorcery, witchcraft? The penalty was death... That means demons... serious demons... BIG demons... Better go back to your bible. You're double-talking agian. I'm not going to debate this with you anymore. I'll just let God instruct you further and leave you with this:

"Phil 3:15a Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (mature) be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."

God Bless

 

[free2love]

I agree, except one point: Satan didn't "steal" Eden. Adam and Eve gave it away.

Yeah, right after Satan decieved them! It was a rip-off no matter how you look at it.

 

[TheCheat1]

No, it wasn't. We CHOOSE to sin. It's OUR fault. Satan just tempts us.

 

[TheCheat1]

BTW, drugs and witchcraft are completely different. Been there, done that, sorry. Demons influence both, but completely in magic arts and not always in drugs. Maybe YOU should go back to YOUR Bible?

 

[Starcrystal]

Gee, it sounds like you're pretty knowledgable about drugs... Ever heard of 'pharmakeia' i.e.: sorcery, witchcraft? The penalty was death... That means demons... serious demons... BIG demons... Better go back to your bible. You're double-talking agian. I'm not going to debate this with you anymore. I'll just let God instruct you further and leave you with this:

"Phil 3:15a Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (mature) be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you."

God Bless

I should be, I used them extensively from age 12 to 23. I have also studied them from the treatment perspectives, both secular & Christian.

Um, perhaps you didn't read my entire post because you ask "Ever heard of 'pharmakeia' i.e.: sorcery, witchcraft?" and I had specifically mentioned that in my post, though I used the word Pharmakeus, the word translated "Sorcerers" in Rev. 21:8. Your word Pharmakeia is from "witchcraft" in Galatians 5:20. basically we are talking about the same thing here, the word being the root for our english "Pharmacy & Pharmecuetical."
It was believed to be witchcraft because mind altering potions were used by sorcerers to cast spells upon people, sometimes to poison them, drug them, to make them susceptible to suggestion - or worse. This still does not mean the substances used to make the drugs are demons.
Demons are involved but demons do not live inside the pill capsule, or the plant, or the powder. Once a person ingests the substance and their mind becomes altered it is then demons may have an open door to enter.

This accusation of double talking is rediculous. That sometimes happens though, when people look at things shallowly and superficially without seeing the whole picture. I have actually been very clear in stating what demons are, what drugs are and how demons can be involved when people use drugs, but that drugs in and of themselves are not demons. If you view my posts as double talk then perhaps you should pray for a better understanding of these things. What makes me suspect that you have not understood is the fact you ask me if I ever heard of pharmakeia being witchcraft and I had made it very clear in my previous post when I said: "Chemical drugs are not mentioned in scripture (Though sorcery is translated from Pharmakeus which related to pharmecutical.) The chemicals are created in a laboratory by scientists. They are a physical substance."

So did you read my post or what? Why would you ask me a question which I had already specifically addressed before you asked it?

Note also I said chemical drugs. In Biblical times there were no chemical drugs as we know them - there were potions and elixers made from plants and especially their roots which were pretty much natural substances. again, demons would not be IN the plants, and the plants were certainly not demons. But demons could get involved once someone ingested the potion made from the plants. Is this clear enough?

 

[Starcrystal]

BTW, drugs and witchcraft are completely different. Been there, done that, sorry. Demons influence both, but completely in magic arts and not always in drugs. Maybe YOU should go back to YOUR Bible?

That's a good way of looking at it. Drugs only will invite demons if misused/abused. Most drugs have medical benefits that are in the realm of healing. Even marijuana can be used to treat certain eye problems, but if smoked for the high can become mind altering, eventually could invite demons.

But Spells and invocations will invite demons period.

 

[Krysstian]

I think anything can invite demons. If you misuse or abuse ANYTHING! Its a great possibility the enemy would use it for his glory. I have meet people who let something as simple as a car get in the way of their relationship with Christ. THey worship the car, I'm not saying the car was a demon but your not suppose to give place to the devil period. Wheter its drug addiction, alchool, sex, male, female, children. Be careful what you put before God..that will give the enemy what he wants.

 

[TheCheat1]

Like TV, video-games, cars, money, even FOOD... You're completely right Krysstian. Look what happened to alot of Catholics because of idolatry! (Not saying Christians are perfect!!) But I mean, Catholics idolize Mary, the saints, etc. That's MEGA idolatry.