Demons and fallen angels, Christian cognitive dissonance

[Serving Zion]

Amen, it's dangerous thank you for sharing

Hey, wow, thanks, nice to meet you

 

[buzuxi02]

The Book of Enoch was an extremely popular book in Judaism from around 100BC to about 150 AD, . This was the same for Christianity as the epistle of Jude quotes from it and is part of the canon of scripture of the Ethiopian Church. Finally the pendulum swung the other way and the popularity and sensationalism of the Book of Enoch died out
With that said most no longer accept that demons mated with human women to create the Nephilim. If anything the interpretation that prevailed is that the women of Cain''s lineage were the first to practise the magics and summon spirits and learned the art of seduction this included using cosmetics and jewelery and were easily able to seduce the men of Seth's lineage etc. Or if you prefer modern understanding the men of Seth's lineage found them real hot and started taking them as wives.

Yes, Jesus cast out demons of what modern science classifies as mental illness such as schizophrenia, where in the old days of Christ the dangerous mentally ill people were simply banished from the villages hence some were found wandering in cemeteries etc. What the Bible describes still exists, instead today they are banished and warehoused in lunatic asylums psychiatric centers, doctors and medicine do the healing now.

And yes Paul teaches that principalities and thrones and dominions and other fallen spiritual beings reside in the sky, being cast out from third heaven unto the lower atmosphere of space(our world) Demons in ancient Greek culture are also known as wandering spirits because that's what they do. In the book of Job, the devil tells God he was going "to and fro" etc.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Ahhhhhh.

Forget the flat earth, the existence of evil spirits is causing me more cognitive dissonance than anything before it.

So I've been a Christian for quite some time but I was kept from understanding just how intrusive and prevalent evil spirits are.

I had always thought demons (aka evil spirits) were a rare case if at all.

Or that you needed to practice black magic or take hallucinogenic chemicals to encounter fallen spirits.

I've been very sceptical regarding them.

And I never seriously accepted the fact that Jesus and His disciples cast demons out.

I guess I've been brainwashed being educated in the modern world where naturalistic sciences are the rule and the norm.

E.g. Naturalistic Psychology/Psychiatry was the answer to behavioural problems, and drugs were needed to correct chemical imbalances along with cognitive therapy.

Reading the book of Enoch has put some puzzle pieces together in my recent inquiry.

Specifically:

Chapter 15 Enoch

1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you: 3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? 4. And

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though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.


Now I see a demon under ever rug, and I'm reassessing every thought.

Can someone bring some light to this topic please?

Just how common are evil spirits (e.g. How many are there walking the earth?)

Why when I watch charismatic demon castings do I see something appearing totally fake?

Also,

I've researched Allister Crowley and I thought what he contacted (LAM) was a fallen angel.

Similar to what the Sharman's contact when tripping on mushrooms, peyote and hayabusa.

And finally where are the fallen angels?

I know one is chained in the abyss for tribulation.

Are 1/3 of the Angelic hosts who fell in the second heaven?

I would think that demons make themselves pretty scarce around Christians that spend more time thinking about God's Word and talking to Him, than thinking about demons. Demons thrive on attention given to them by those that don't know much about the Word. Demons probable "tremble" in the presence of them that do. Demons don't want to be around the true power of God, that comes from knowing Him and His Word well, and using it through walking with God in obedience. Instead of seeing demons under every rug, look for God all around. Acts 17:27. James 4:7. The future of Satan (and the demons) is found in Revelation 20:10. He is as good as defeated already. Romans 16:20. Think of the mighty power of Satan. It is far beyond that of any mere man. But it is limited. It can be represented by drawing a vertical line with a beginning an an end on a piece of paper. Now think of the power of God. It is not limited. It can represented by drawing a similar line, but with an arrow at the top... meaning it goes on and on into infinity. If you wanted to represent it another way, you could get a bigger sheet of paper. Satan's line would stay the same size, but God's line would be taller. Have that paper extend to the ceiling, through the ceiling beyond the stars, and with that line getting taller and taller, but still with an arrow at the top. See the difference between Satan's limited power that has an end, and God's power that has no end. That God indwells the Christian, and Satan knows it. That Christian has access to that power which easily defeats Satan. Satan will leave the knowledgable Christian alone, to better spend his time with the ignorant.

 

[Quasar92]

What and Who are Demons and What is Their Origin ?

Hi friends:

This subject is full of speculation and guesswork, even from astute Bible scholars and theologians. Yet, the facts are provided us directly from the Scriptures themselves if we diligently look for them.

First of all, demons are not fallen angels, which the general consensus of many expositors and theologians, believe the sons of God were, in Gen.6:2 and 4. For the purpose of this thread, we will approach this review with the sons of god as the fallen angels.

In the second place, where did the sons of God, come from ? They came from heaven, as is found in Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. Which clearly reveals the theory of some, that the sons of God were from Adam and Eve's son, Seth's family, who of course never came from heaven. But the Scriptures document, the sons of God came from heaven. If they had been called angels in the first place we could better understand the text..

With that having been determined, the sons of God, are spirit beings, including God Himself, who have souls, according to Isa.1:14, as all of us humans do, as well. Therefore, the "citizenship," or "first estate" of the sons of God/fallen angels, was in heaven. While the natural "citizenship" or "first estate" of human daughters of men, is on the earth.
Therefore, from the above, we have established from the Bible, the sons of God were spirit beings and a part of the heavenly host. From there, we go to the following revelation:

"When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." Gen.6:1-2. Keep in mind, Jesus inferred angels do not marry nor are given in marriag - in heaven - according to Mt.22:30.


In other words, these sons of God left their first estate and citizenship in heaven, and went to the earth, with the power to become visible and appear as any physical normal man and married a daughter of human men. The offspring they had with human women, resulting in their children being the Nephilim/giants, born to them as recorded in Gen.6:4.

Take note of this important fact: The Nephilim were hybrid regarding the origin of their first estate or "citizenship," because they did not come as a citizen from heaven, nor as a natural human being, which is what this thread is all about.

Up to this point, we have found that the sons of God/fallen angels, who came down to the earth from heaven, and had children by human women, who then lost their first estate in heaven. God then imprisoned them until the day of judgement, according to 1 Pet.2:4 and Jude 6.

The fallen angels here, were only part of those belonging to Satan, who is still very active with the rest of his angels. Reference to Satan and his angels being cast from heaven, is prophecy, as recorded in Rev.12:9, yet to come, during the 70th and final week [7 years] of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel. Also recorded as Jesus Olivet Discourse of the 7 year tribulation, in Mt.24; Mk.13 and in Lk.21. Prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

That leaves us with the hybrid Nephilim, described in the Scriptures as giants both before the flood of Noah in Gen.6:4 - and after the flood in Num.13:33; Dt.1:28; 3:11; 9:2; Josh.11:22; 12:2, 4; 1 Sam17:4-7 and 1 Chr.20:6-8.

How could the Nephilim, the giants who lived before the flood of Noah be present on the earth after the flood, as recorded in Gen.6:4, when the flood killed everyone on the earth except Noah and his seven family members? The only logical answers to that is that all the sons of God/fallen angels were not all caught and thrown into the Abyss/prison until after the flood of Noah. That more of Satan's sons of God/angels sought after the daughters of men/human women, after the flood of Noah.

Remember, the hybrid Nephilim had no previous estate, "citizenship," with either the heavenly host or to humanity. Therefore, their spirit/souls were relegated to remain earthbound until the day of judgement, seeking to get into whatever body they could find to do so, regardless of whether human or animal, as recorded in Lk.8:26-33. That is what/who the demons were/are.

The Book of Isaiah says that the Nephilim and their descendants will not participate in a resurrection, as will all normal human beings. Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim," the name of a giant people, recorded in Jos.12:4 and in 13:12. It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim were one of the clan of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they will not participate in any resurrection. But with humans it is different: who will all be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29). Which leads us to examine the bodily death of the Nephilim, and the "binding to earth" of their spirits, seeking the bodies of others to invade, as the demons found recorded in the Scriptures, which will be covered later.

From Book 1 of Enoch, is the following except from Chapter 15, he writes of the Nephilim/giants, beginning with point 6.: "But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever!"

7. "Therefore I made no wives for you, because you being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven."

8. "Now the giants who have been born of spirit and flesh, shall be called upon the earth evil spirit/demons, and on the earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy watchers/sons of God was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits/demons shall they be upon the earth, and the spirits/demons of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth."

9. "The spirits of the Nephilim/giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon the earth."

10. "They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they came forth during the days of slaughter and destruction."

Accordingly, the bodies of the Nephilim died, but their spirit/souls remain on earth as the evil spirit/demons present during the days of Jesus, as seen in 8:28-32. Without bodies, they try to find bodies to get into.

How big does the Bible describe these Nephilim/giants to be after their spirit/souls found bodies to live in after the flood of Noah ?

"Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites." Dt.3:11

"A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp, he was over nine feet tall. He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze weighing 5,000 shekels [over 156 pounds]; on his legs he wore bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back. His spear shaft was like a weaver's rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels [18.75 pounds]. His shield bearer went ahead of him." 1 Sam.17:4-7

See also: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm

And: http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm


Quasar92

 

[Robert Richborough]

I'll put it this way from my experience, In Jesus time, when they brought Mary Magdalene she had 7 demons, and this was a big thing, they were like look this is insane! I' tell you you'd be hard pressed to find someone with the as low amount as her today, the sins of our ancestors have been multiplied, now we deal with demons of perversion, lust, greed, pride, selfishness, now more than ever.

Someone with only 7 demons would be doing pretty good. But does this mean they are possessed? no, I can't remember/find the specific piece of KJV scripture but it describes the devil / demons to circle Christians and tries to place their influence on them like a beast or lion I think.

They come back and forth and we have to just pray to God that these temptations and sins for forgiveness or to reduce them. We live in an age of sin and we have all these great gifts of technology and wealth in the west yet we abuse them.

 

[Colter]

Ahhhhhh.

Forget the flat earth, the existence of evil spirits is causing me more cognitive dissonance than anything before it.

So I've been a Christian for quite some time but I was kept from understanding just how intrusive and prevalent evil spirits are.

I had always thought demons (aka evil spirits) were a rare case if at all.

Or that you needed to practice black magic or take hallucinogenic chemicals to encounter fallen spirits.

I've been very sceptical regarding them.

And I never seriously accepted the fact that Jesus and His disciples cast demons out.

I guess I've been brainwashed being educated in the modern world where naturalistic sciences are the rule and the norm.

E.g. Naturalistic Psychology/Psychiatry was the answer to behavioural problems, and drugs were needed to correct chemical imbalances along with cognitive therapy.

Reading the book of Enoch has put some puzzle pieces together in my recent inquiry.

Specifically:

Chapter 15 Enoch

1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you: 3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? 4. And

p. 43

though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.


Now I see a demon under ever rug, and I'm reassessing every thought.

Can someone bring some light to this topic please?

Just how common are evil spirits (e.g. How many are there walking the earth?)

Why when I watch charismatic demon castings do I see something appearing totally fake?

Also,

I've researched Allister Crowley and I thought what he contacted (LAM) was a fallen angel.

Similar to what the Sharman's contact when tripping on mushrooms, peyote and hayabusa.

And finally where are the fallen angels?

I know one is chained in the abyss for tribulation.

Are 1/3 of the Angelic hosts who fell in the second heaven?

Its all in your imagination. Take responsibility for the temptations of your own heart. Satan was destroyed and all his followers in the spirit world were taken away at the time of the ascension.

If you read ghost stories before bed you are more likely to fear ghosts.

 

[Petros2015]

Yes, Jesus cast out demons of what modern science classifies as mental illness such as schizophrenia,

Kind of odd that the schizophrenia went from Legion into a heard of swine, don't you think?

 

[Johndowling]

ill tell you right now the things you are researching will lead you down the the world of the dead I have taken lsd and practiced black magic and have done both at the same time and im still recovering everyday is a struggle im going to beg you to please let it go and stick to biblical principals at first the demons befriend you then they act on destroying your soul during those times I commited sins that for the sake of my soul I hope god forgives. do as I do and beg the lord to save you from the demon/demons that haunt you he forced demons out of lot and he can do the same for you. find a church of people who follow bibcal teachings to the letter and ask for help.
p.s anything to do with the occult is satanic DO NOT GET INVOVLED OR PRACTICE!!!!!! please im begging you

 

[brinny]

I'll put it this way from my experience, In Jesus time, when they brought Mary Magdalene she had 7 demons, and this was a big thing, they were like look this is insane! I' tell you you'd be hard pressed to find someone with the as low amount as her today, the sins of our ancestors have been multiplied, now we deal with demons of perversion, lust, greed, pride, selfishness, now more than ever.

Someone with only 7 demons would be doing pretty good. But does this mean they are possessed? no, I can't remember/find the specific piece of KJV scripture but it describes the devil / demons to circle Christians and tries to place their influence on them like a beast or lion I think.

They come back and forth and we have to just pray to God that these temptations and sins for forgiveness or to reduce them. We live in an age of sin and we have all these great gifts of technology and wealth in the west yet we abuse them.

piece of KJV scripture but it describes the devil / demons to circle Christians and tries to place their influence on them like a beast or lion

Are you referring to this verse?:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" ~I Peter 5:8

 

[Serving Zion]

... the sins of our ancestors have been multiplied, now we deal with demons of ...

Ezekiel 18 shows that we don't 'inherit demons' from our ancestors' sins .. this is one of those false doctrines that don't originate from The Holy Spirit.

Especially verse 18:

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Where we are able to teach that the people of the present day are much more depraved, it is due to the increase of lawlessness (Matthew 24:12). He who stays in love stays in God and God in Him.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 shows us that our sinfulness is an active pursuit of "devices", a departure from our natural "uprightness".

 

[Robert Richborough]

Ezekiel 18 shows that we don't 'inherit demons' from our ancestors' sins .. this is one of those false doctrines that don't originate from The Holy Spirit.

Especially verse 18:

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Where we are able to teach that the people of the present day are much more depraved, it is due to the increase of lawlessness (Matthew 24:12). He who stays in love stays in God and God in Him.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 shows us that our sinfulness is an active pursuit of "devices", a departure from our natural "uprightness".

Sorry you are correct, I should have said not directly, but I meant through culture.

 

[Robert Richborough]

Are you referring to this verse?:

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" ~I Peter 5:8

Yes thank you.

 

[brinny]

Yes thank you.

You are most welcome.

 

[Petros2015]

I would suggest The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis as an entertaining and edifying reading.

Just as God desires me to be transformed into the likeness of his Son and to keep my thoughts in humility and upon Him, a demon I think would have me transformed into it's own likeness, and it does so by keeping my thoughts upon myself (making myself take the place of God). From a self-centered nature, all sorts of evil follows. Selfishness, pride, judgement, resentment, envy, bitterness, blasphemy, wraith, lust... These things I was offered a rescue from through Christ. They had me.

2 Corinthians 10:5

Through our thoughts and focus and repentence or lack thereof we make ourselves fitting receptacles for the Holy Spirit, or the Other. One will make use of us, or the other.

In AA, we sometimes use the acronym for Ego - Edging God Out.

Put simply, and from personal experience: "Nature abhors a vacuum".

"He who accepts an evil suggestion accepts the enemy into his body. The spirits are invisible, we give them bodies so they become visible." ~Elder Thaddeus, author of Our Thoughts Determine Our Lives
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Thaddeus_(Strabulovich)_of_Vitovnica
Thaddeus (Strabulovich) of Vitovnica - OrthodoxWiki

 

[Quasar92]

I'll put it this way from my experience, In Jesus time, when they brought Mary Magdalene she had 7 demons, and this was a big thing, they were like look this is insane! I' tell you you'd be hard pressed to find someone with the as low amount as her today, the sins of our ancestors have been multiplied, now we deal with demons of perversion, lust, greed, pride, selfishness, now more than ever.

Someone with only 7 demons would be doing pretty good. But does this mean they are possessed? no, I can't remember/find the specific piece of KJV scripture but it describes the devil / demons to circle Christians and tries to place their influence on them like a beast or lion I think.

They come back and forth and we have to just pray to God that these temptations and sins for forgiveness or to reduce them. We live in an age of sin and we have all these great gifts of technology and wealth in the west yet we abuse them.

I believe the passage of Scripture you alluded to is the following, which refers to the devil, i.e. Satan, not to demons:

1 Pet.5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour."

Review post 24 for the Biblical description of who and what demons are.


Quasar92

 

[Alithis]

Ahhhhhh.

Forget the flat earth, the existence of evil spirits is causing me more cognitive dissonance than anything before it.

So I've been a Christian for quite some time but I was kept from understanding just how intrusive and prevalent evil spirits are.

I had always thought demons (aka evil spirits) were a rare case if at all.

Or that you needed to practice black magic or take hallucinogenic chemicals to encounter fallen spirits.

I've been very sceptical regarding them.

And I never seriously accepted the fact that Jesus and His disciples cast demons out.

I guess I've been brainwashed being educated in the modern world where naturalistic sciences are the rule and the norm.

E.g. Naturalistic Psychology/Psychiatry was the answer to behavioural problems, and drugs were needed to correct chemical imbalances along with cognitive therapy.

Reading the book of Enoch has put some puzzle pieces together in my recent inquiry.

Specifically:

Chapter 15 Enoch

1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you: 3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? 4. And

p. 43

though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.


Now I see a demon under ever rug, and I'm reassessing every thought.

Can someone bring some light to this topic please?

Just how common are evil spirits (e.g. How many are there walking the earth?)

Why when I watch charismatic demon castings do I see something appearing totally fake?

Also,

I've researched Allister Crowley and I thought what he contacted (LAM) was a fallen angel.

Similar to what the Sharman's contact when tripping on mushrooms, peyote and hayabusa.

And finally where are the fallen angels?

I know one is chained in the abyss for tribulation.

Are 1/3 of the Angelic hosts who fell in the second heaven?

1..have you heard and heeded the Gospel of the Lord Jesus?

2 the book of Enoch is a most tampered with and unreliable text.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Ahhhhhh.

Forget the flat earth, the existence of evil spirits is causing me more cognitive dissonance than anything before it.

So I've been a Christian for quite some time but I was kept from understanding just how intrusive and prevalent evil spirits are.

I had always thought demons (aka evil spirits) were a rare case if at all.

Or that you needed to practice black magic or take hallucinogenic chemicals to encounter fallen spirits.

I've been very sceptical regarding them.

And I never seriously accepted the fact that Jesus and His disciples cast demons out.

I guess I've been brainwashed being educated in the modern world where naturalistic sciences are the rule and the norm.

E.g. Naturalistic Psychology/Psychiatry was the answer to behavioural problems, and drugs were needed to correct chemical imbalances along with cognitive therapy.

Reading the book of Enoch has put some puzzle pieces together in my recent inquiry.

Specifically:

Chapter 15 Enoch

1. And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2. And go, say to ⌈⌈the Watchers of heaven⌉⌉, who have sent thee to intercede ⌈⌈for them: "You should intercede"⌉⌉ for men, and not men for you: 3. Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? 4. And

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though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those ⌈also⌉ do who die and perish. 5. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6. But you were ⌈formerly⌉ spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; ⌈they shall be evil spirits on earth, and⌉ evil spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, ⌈but nevertheless hunger⌉ and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded ⌈from them⌉.


Now I see a demon under ever rug, and I'm reassessing every thought.

Can someone bring some light to this topic please?

Just how common are evil spirits (e.g. How many are there walking the earth?)

Why when I watch charismatic demon castings do I see something appearing totally fake?

Also,

I've researched Allister Crowley and I thought what he contacted (LAM) was a fallen angel.

Similar to what the Sharman's contact when tripping on mushrooms, peyote and hayabusa.

And finally where are the fallen angels?

I know one is chained in the abyss for tribulation.

Are 1/3 of the Angelic hosts who fell in the second heaven?

God Bless you brother. The Lord is opening the eyes of those who truly seek him in these days.

 

[Greg Merrill]

I'll put it this way from my experience, In Jesus time, when they brought Mary Magdalene she had 7 demons, and this was a big thing, they were like look this is insane! I' tell you you'd be hard pressed to find someone with the as low amount as her today, the sins of our ancestors have been multiplied, now we deal with demons of perversion, lust, greed, pride, selfishness, now more than ever.

Someone with only 7 demons would be doing pretty good. But does this mean they are possessed? no, I can't remember/find the specific piece of KJV scripture but it describes the devil / demons to circle Christians and tries to place their influence on them like a beast or lion I think.

They come back and forth and we have to just pray to God that these temptations and sins for forgiveness or to reduce them. We live in an age of sin and we have all these great gifts of technology and wealth in the west yet we abuse them.

I definitely believe in the existence of demons, fallen angels. I do not "equate" them with such sins as lust, greed, etc. They definitely can be associated with these sins though. They can tempt us to do these sins. We can also be involved with these sins on our own, with no demon presence or involvement at all. No scripture comes to mind of demons circling Christians to influence them like a beast, though there may be one.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Ok So I've always taken responsibility for all my thoughts as well as my actions.

What does this mean?

If demons are playing around in my head seeding all kinds of evil?

Where in the Bible does it say demons can put thoughts in your head?

The thing to do is put on the Armor of God in Eph 6 and relax.

 

[Greg Merrill]

Where in the Bible does it say demons can put thoughts in your head?

The thing to do is put on the Armor of God in Eph 6 and relax.

1 Chronicles 21:1 "could be" cited to say Satan/demons can put thought in your head. I am not saying whether that would be accurate or not. I would think much could be said about how we are tempted, and how Satan/demons might communicate to us without our even knowing it. Also see 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.