Democrats need to restore rule of law, quit select enforcement.

[Valletta]

Maybe because the robber barons of petroleum need to be dethroned

There are plenty of good hard-working honest people in the oil business just like in any other business. Fossil fuels supply more that half U.S. energy, energy for heat so that people don't freeze, energy for hospitals that save lives. Come up with a cheaper cleaner product instead of deciding to "dethrone" those who don't agree with your opinions.

 

[rturner76]

There are plenty of good hard-working honest people in the oil business just like in any other business. Fossil fuels supply more that half U.S. energy, energy for heat so that people don't freeze, energy for hospitals that save lives. Come up with a cheaper cleaner product instead of deciding to "dethrone" those who don't agree with your opinions.

Ok....electricity

 

[Belk]

Yes, absolutely. Just like Project War Speed, private companies can pull together in a time of crisis. Joe Biden has caused numerous fossil fuel projects to be ended, why couldn't he do the opposite in a time of world need?

Operation Warp Speed worked by reducing Government red tape around having multiple stages of development running in parallel. What are you suggesting the government could do to speed production of a pipeline for a Canadian oil company and what would be the benefit?

 

[Valletta]

Operation Warp Speed worked by reducing Government red tape around having multiple stages of development running in parallel. What are you suggesting the government could do to speed production of a pipeline for a Canadian oil company and what would be the benefit?

Six U.S. companies had union contracts with the Canadian company. So there would be workers involved in the building of the pipeline, an estimated 11,000 and then some would still have to maintain it. Probably there are perpetual leases on the land and the U.S. property owners would get royalties. Likewise U.S. oil refineries contract with the Canadians, refineries profit in the deal. Then the barrels of oil add to the world supply, bringing down the cost of gasoline at the pump and the so many U.S. companies that use oil for various purposes, to make plastics, etc.

 

[Belk]

Six U.S. companies had union contracts with the Canadian company. So there would be workerinvolved in the building of the pipeline, an estimated 11,000 and then some would still have to maintain it. Probably there are perpetual leases on the land and the U.S. property owners would get royalties. Likewise U.S. oil refineries contract with the Canadians, refineries profit in the deal. Then the barrels of oil add to the world supply, bringing down the cost of gasoline at the pump and the so many U.S. companies that use oil for various purposes, to make plastics, etc.

You seem to have missed the first part of my question. What are you suggesting the government could do to speed production of a pipeline?

As for the benefits. 11000 jobs estimated by whom? What credible economists believes the pipeline would effect world oil prices?

 

[Valletta]

You seem to have missed the first part of my question. What are you suggesting the government could do to speed production of a pipeline?

As for the benefits. 11000 jobs estimated by whom? What credible economists believes the pipeline would effect world oil prices?

There were stories in the press about the number of jobs. You could go back to the original estimate by the company, a huge majority of the jobs were estimated to be American and less than 3000 originally for Canadians. https://www.keystonexl.com/siteassets/pdfs/fact-sheets/keystone-xl-project-overview.pdf The majority of credible economists, if not all, believe in supply and demand. Allowing just this one pipeline going through would have made a significant impact on the world supply, I believe that had our country come together and had Joe reversed his course and promoted all U.S. projects by the end of this year we likely would have been able to replace all of the oil Russia supplied to the E. U. sometime this year. We have the resources.

 

[KCfromNC]

Of a private company?

Just need a minor bit of the government seizing the means of production. Isn't that the conservative approach towards economic systems?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Just need a minor bit of the government seizing the means of production. Isn't that the conservative approach towards economic systems?

Just bringing a little socialism to their nationalism. Hmmm.

 

[Belk]

There were stories in the press about the number of jobs. You could go back to the original estimate by the company, a huge majority of the jobs were estimated to be American and less than 3000 originally for Canadians. https://www.keystonexl.com/siteassets/pdfs/fact-sheets/keystone-xl-project-overview.pdf The majority of credible economists, if not all, believe in supply and demand. Allowing just this one pipeline going through would have made a significant impact on the world supply, I believe that had our country come together and had Joe reversed his course and promoted all U.S. projects by the end of this year we likely would have been able to replace all of the oil Russia supplied to the E. U. sometime this year. We have the resources.

What are you suggesting the government could do to speed production of a pipeline?

 

[SimplyMe]

Six U.S. companies had union contracts with the Canadian company. So there would be workers involved in the building of the pipeline, an estimated 11,000 and then some would still have to maintain it. Probably there are perpetual leases on the land and the U.S. property owners would get royalties. Likewise U.S. oil refineries contract with the Canadians, refineries profit in the deal. Then the barrels of oil add to the world supply, bringing down the cost of gasoline at the pump and the so many U.S. companies that use oil for various purposes, to make plastics, etc.

The estimates I've seen is that the pipeline would have roughly doubled capacity -- it currently carries about 510,000 barrels of oil per day, it would have added an additional 510,000 barrels. I know that sounds like a lot but, worldwide, over 100 million barrels of oil are produced daily. The extra half percent produced, while it might have been nice, is not enough to cause any real effect to oil prices.

Additionally, the job numbers are disputed. More neutral sources (not the developer) claim that it would create 2,000 temporary jobs, to build the pipeline, with only 35 new permanent jobs.

 

[Valletta]

The estimates I've seen is that the pipeline would have roughly doubled capacity -- it currently carries about 510,000 barrels of oil per day, it would have added an additional 510,000 barrels. I know that sounds like a lot but, worldwide, over 100 million barrels of oil are produced daily. The extra half percent produced, while it might have been nice, is not enough to cause any real effect to oil prices.

Additionally, the job numbers are disputed. More neutral sources (not the developer) claim that it would create 2,000 temporary jobs, to build the pipeline, with only 35 new permanent jobs.

While I would put it closer to one percent, you are talking the entire world, and it takes only a small percentage to change from a surplus to a deficit, as we have seen by Joe's policies. Remember Joe could also reverse course on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska, and other projects, enough projects to put back the price of gasoline where it was before Joe's disastrous policies and lower the price of food in the grocery store, etc. But he won't budge, the elitists in Washington can drive Teslas and are make the poor and middle class suffer. Joe should restore the Trump polices, and if he is serious about electric cars first rebuild the nation's power grid so that it can handle the switch to electric. People know we have brown outs and black outs today, what will happen if the switch to electric cars is made before updating the power grid?

 

[SimplyMe]

While I would put it closer to one percent, you are talking the entire world, and it takes only a small percentage to change from a surplus to a deficit, as we have seen by Joe's policies. Remember Joe could also reverse course on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska, and other projects, enough projects to put back the price of gasoline where it was before Joe's disastrous policies and lower the price of food in the grocery store, etc. But he won't budge, the elitists in Washington can drive Teslas and are make the poor and middle class suffer. Joe should restore the Trump polices, and if he is serious about electric cars first rebuild the nation's power grid so that it can handle the switch to electric. People know we have brown outs and black outs today, what will happen if the switch to electric cars is made before updating the power grid?

Sorry, it is even less than 0.5% -- remember, it was only going to add 510,000 barrels -- the rest is still going through the Keystone Pipeline (it remains open, only the building of the Keystone XL was halted). Also, if you look at the charts, it shows that oil production has increased by 10% since 2020 -- so contrary to your claims there is more oil being produced and far more than 0.5%.

Also, as others have pointed out, a large number of drilling permits have been granted by this administration -- unfortunately, it takes oil companies 2 to 3 years to start producing (at a minimum) after they get the leases. While oil companies try to pass blame to the administration, the fact remains that they are not drilling the leases they have received under Biden -- rather than spend on drilling, they instead are enjoying record profits and giving dividends to investors.

It is also worth pointing out that the Biden administration has approved 96% of the permits requested, as well as the fact that oil companies routinely request more leases than they plan to drill -- more than 8,000 drilling leases were allowed to lapse by oil companies between 2016 and 2021 without ever drilling on those leases.

 

[Valletta]

"The Keystone pipeline would have provided 800,000 barrels of crude oil a day," the Montana Republican said on Newsmax's "Wake Up America." "About 150,000 barrels a day would have come from the Montana-North Dakota region, so it would have helped our economy and helped our security. It would have been a win all the way around."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/...n-keystone-xl-pipeline/2022/03/03/id/1059449/
Like pretending the southern border is secure, the idea that this administration is somehow accommodating the oil industry it not true. They can issue permits but stop the drilling in Alaska and the Gulf with a variety of delays and restrictions to make it so that no oil company would have a reasonable expectation of profits.
Joe's attack on the U.S. fossil fuel industry is not a secret to the majority of Americans. He keeps publicly attacking U.S. companies while trying to court Muslim countries and Venezuela into providing more oil.
The Keystone XL potential production was quite significant and could have gone a long ways toward us supplying energy to Europe. Yahoo leans quite far to the left, and here is how they report on Joe's comments regarding the deliberate suffering of Americans Joe is making American go through with high gas prices as an "incredible transition."
President Biden seems to praise high gas prices as 'incredible transition' Americans must go through

 

[Ana the Ist]

I think it's up to the court system and the police (local, state, and federal) to enforce existing laws.

Sure.

Congress/the house/president are meant to create or alter laws, not enforce them.

Well except for the President, the head of the Executive branch, which literally enforces federal law...

But hey, close enough.

Judges should be on the hook if laws are not being enforced.

Depends on where they aren't being enforced.

If the police aren't enforcing them....and in many cases now, they aren't, I'd say that's the problem. They aren't enforcing them for 3 main reasons....

1. They don't have to. They have no legal obligation to. They can be fired for dereliction of duty, but since most departments are badly understaffed, that won't happen.

2. It's not clear what they should do. They've been told certain things are legal....and seen police fired or prosecuted for those things.

3. Prosecutors. If a district attorney will simply not pursue charges...regardless of evidence...why waste time doing the work?

Which brings us to prosecutors. If they got their position because they promised not to prosecute shoplifters for example....and they don't. The voter is to blame when the stores close. How dumb does one have to be to think the penalties for crime aren't preventing most crime? Remove the penalties and you should expect the crime to increase.

If however, everyone does their job, and successfully convicts a criminal....if the judge drops the sentence to time served....then we should consider why. Is the judge biased? Is the sentence inappropriate? Is this a personal opinion of the judge who thinks that the crime is not legitimate? Etc.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Talk about drivel. Biden revoked the permission for the Keystone XL pipeline which was to transfer tar sand oil, the dirtiest oil, down to ports to send most all of it to other countries. It was going to be traveling over the Ogallada Aquifier which provides water in the plains from South Dakota to Texas. A leak would have been devastating.

We didn't get oil into our gas pumps from the XL pipeline nor were we going to.

I really wish people would do actual research and not spew stuff from a partisan site.

Agreed. I don't think drilling permits or pipelines have much to do with gas prices.

It's a natural result of economic mismanagement. I argued on here a year ago that printing so much money was going to drive inflation higher. People told me it was just supply chain issues and to stop spewing right wing rhetoric. I let it go....because it's a prediction. I could have been wrong.

I wasn't.

The problem is that shutdowns killed small business, the workforce hasn't returned to work, the people trying to pass legislation have loaded it down with pork and want to print even more money, the economy actually shrank for the first time in my life....

I could go on but it's clear this administration is more concerned about giving a homosexual black woman a position in the staff and congratulating themselves than they are worried about the economy.

Gas prices are high for the same reason shelves are bare and homelessness is rising. Inflation is still rampant because they have no clue what to do. They want to print more money, increase the debt, and just cross their fingers and hope for the best.

To be fair, I think the fed is trying to wrangle things in and get us back to normal....but we need a functional economy for that.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Maybe because the robber barons of petroleum need to be dethroned

Maybe some people should go protest their homes instead of Kavanagh's.

I'm sure it will work out fine. It's not like they can just hire people to protect them.

 

[Gene2memE]

There are plenty of good hard-working honest people in the oil business just like in any other business. Fossil fuels supply more that half U.S. energy, energy for heat so that people don't freeze, energy for hospitals that save lives. Come up with a cheaper cleaner product instead of deciding to "dethrone" those who don't agree with your opinions.

Lazard, an independent invesment bank, produced a levelized cost of energy per megawatt hour (LCOE per MWh) estimate for the US in 2020. Here are the price ranges (including US tax credits but excluding carbon pricing) and average annual price:

Utility PV - $24 to $42, mean of $37
Wind - $9 to $43, mean of $40
Natural gas combined cycle - $44 to $80, mean of $59
Geothermal - $49 to $94, mean of $80
Nuclear - $125 to $200, mean of $163
Natural gas -$142 to $206, mean of $175
Coal - $61 to $164, mean of $112
Residential PV - $135 to $205, mean of $141

Here are the International Energy Agency's estimates of global levelized cost of LCOE per MWh for 2020

Onshore wind - $31 to $41
Offshore wind - $71 to $110
Home scale PV - $16 to $227
Utility scale PV - $39 to $61
Hybrid source PV- $47 to $58
Geothermal - $36 to $72
Coal - $41 - $159
Natural gas - $51 - $107
Heavy oil - $91 to $131
Natural gas combined cycle - $28 to $127
Ultra-super critical coal - $41to $78


Generally speaking, utility scale solar and onshore wind are the cheapest forms of electricity, typically around 1/2 to 1/3 of traditional fossil fuel power.

Advanced combined cycle turbines is about the next cheapest, but only for a few markets. The LCOE for combined cycle gas is typically only competitive in countries with abundant and cheap natural gas.

However, renewables prices continue to trend downwards, while fossil fuel prices continue to trend upwards.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Lazard, an independent invesment bank, produced a levelized cost of energy per megawatt hour (LCOE per MWh) estimate for the US in 2020. Here are the price ranges (including US tax credits but excluding carbon pricing) and average annual price:

Utility PV - $24 to $42, mean of $37
Wind - $9 to $43, mean of $40
Natural gas combined cycle - $44 to $80, mean of $59
Geothermal - $49 to $94, mean of $80
Nuclear - $125 to $200, mean of $163
Natural gas -$142 to $206, mean of $175
Coal - $61 to $164, mean of $112
Residential PV - $135 to $205, mean of $141

Here are the International Energy Agency's estimates of global levelized cost of LCOE per MWh for 2020

Onshore wind - $31 to $41
Offshore wind - $71 to $110
Home scale PV - $16 to $227
Utility scale PV - $39 to $61
Hybrid source PV- $47 to $58
Geothermal - $36 to $72
Coal - $41 - $159
Natural gas - $51 - $107
Heavy oil - $91 to $131
Natural gas combined cycle - $28 to $127
Ultra-super critical coal - $41to $78


Generally speaking, utility scale solar and onshore wind are the cheapest forms of electricity, typically around 1/2 to 1/3 of traditional fossil fuel power.

Advanced combined cycle turbines is about the next cheapest, but only for a few markets. The LCOE for combined cycle gas is typically only competitive in countries with abundant and cheap natural gas.

However, renewables prices continue to trend downwards, while fossil fuel prices continue to trend upwards.

Do they have solar powered commercial airliners yet? How about solar powered mega freighters?

 

[Ana the Ist]

This sort of thing belongs in "Conspiracy Theory".

In that incident, politicians literally asked for the attack to not be made political.

It's not something that we see happening in many cases....like Buffalo for example.

 

[Gene2memE]

Do they have solar powered commercial airliners yet? How about solar powered mega freighters?

Shipping and aviation combined account for about 6% of global emissions. The electricity sector accounts for about a third of all greenhouse gas emissions.

Cutting electricity emissions by 10% has the same impact as halving aviation and shipping emissions.

Solutions for aviation & shipping:

• Biofuel and sustainable alternative fuels. In operation onboard commercial aircraft now (circa 400,000 flights so far, adding about 8000 per week and the adoption rate is climbing). Also being tested in shipping (not sure about details, not my field). $5 billion investment in these fuels for aviation in 2020, and about ~$7.5 billion in 2021. Global output to rise 20 to 40 fold in the next six years, based on announced and funded projects. Current cutting per flight emissions by ~30-40%, with 50:50 blended use. Lifecycle CO2 reductions of 50-80% with 100% use (which has already been tested on commercial flights).
  
• MW class electric engines. In testing now, ready for use on small scale (sub 100 seat) commercial aircraft within five years. Zero emission flight, lifecycle emissions reduction of 30-80%, potentially greater. Embraer's next generation turboprop (service entry projected around 2028-2030) likely to have an option for electric engines.
  
• Hydrogen fuel. In development phase now. Ready for use in large commercial aircraft (greater than 150 seats) in around 10 to 15 years - major sticking point is infrastructure. Emissions reduction potential of 60-90%.