caller_to_truth said:
If God was supposed to have created the mankind and then have nothing to do with it, does that not seem a bit foolish in the first place to just create it and leave it running by itself. Isn't foolish to cook a nice dish then just leave it there, or have a nice garment sewn and just leave it there unworn.But it man's natural disposition to beleive in GOD and to worship.If GOD just created mankind and left it to run by itself then how do we explain a child inside the womb the way it evolves from the drop of sperm into a live human being if god had just created mankind and left it then how would that process go smoothly in a timely manner or even the rising and setting of the sun.Which is done like clock work.We don't need an Alarm clock there every day that needs to wake up the sun or remind it to rise, nor even to set, like we need reminders all the time.Humans every where in every corner of the globe were created with the need to worship something, someone.Even those who deny GOD at the time of Crisis or death they are calling OH! my GOD. So this denial of god whether he does not exist at all or he just created mankind and left is really not a sincere denial because like I said it is the natural disposition of man to beleive and worship something.
Peace
The child in the womb and the process going smoothly. Is this why many children are born deformed, or perhaps as siameze twins, is it wahy many are born prematurely-or even after the 9 months is up???
You assumption is false friend.
Why is it not possible that the Creator just created the Universe{es}, set all the natural laws in place to unfold themselves{the unfolding of the universe, the birth of sentient life, the evolution both macro and micro of sentient life forms,etc,etc}.
Why is it not possible that the Creator set in all of us{or most of us} not personally-but as part of the natural laws that unfolded{like the domino effect of the Creator flicking the first and the rest naturally follow} and evolved onto us-so that we woyuld all look at the Creation and colclude that something or someone made it; perhpas it was the Creators intent to not interfere w/this process that he/she/it set in motion from the beginning of time indirectly via creating all the natural laws to unfold according to plan[or "mostly" according to plan} so that we would all learn to tolerate one another, we would all create our variuos revealed faith systems that are in disagreement w/each other-eventually evolving to apoint where we all relaize that NONE has contained the creators truth or nature w/in it, so that we would all grow to be as one in our knowledge that we know little or nothing about the Creator, and thence we would not say "your religon is evil and mine is holy", but rather we'd all come to say "no religon is holy, and all are just our biased preconceptions of the Creator{s} or Creative Force{s}, making the him/her/it into our own image{as "revealed religons' have done}".
This is what I as a Deistic Universist think personally is a very strong "possibility".
How can "revealed religons" such as Christianity/Islam, and Judaism,etc, claim that we can't know the ways of god as god is above us, and then go and claim that their holy books or religons contain the truth of the creator-ar at least as much that they are MORE right and that the others are therefor-evil and ungodly and deserving of hellfire{even if they are altruistic and just}, are they not contradicting themselves?
As a deist, I claim that I personally believe via my god/deity/creator-given 'reason"{the greatest gift next to altruism given us by whoever/whatever created us} that there is a god/deity/creator/creative force of some sorts, I conclude this designer exists because of the design, but I also say "gods ways are way above ours, who cna know deitys ways?"-and rather than contradicting myself by saying that I have a directly/personally revealed truth from the Creator about this and therefore a personal relationship that makes me special enough to save me from some hell-while others who believe differently are going to an eternall hell; I simply say, that is it. Other than this, my god-given "reason" tells me that I wish to be loved, I wish not to be harmed, I wish not to be exploited, so therefore-i should not hamrm or exploit others and I should love others. This merely by the natural law of our creator-given "reason" which exists in each of us if we will only pay it heed, rather than paying ancient dogmas/doctrines and so-called prophets/holy books and their godforms{biased intrprettaion of Creator} heed.
It was Freethinking,naturalists,deists,etc, whom invented democracy as we know it, whom decided that all are created equal and have equal legal and social rights before law, "revealed religons' have always fought for control and theocracy, even today-the christian church in our democratic nations of the west have decided to try to supress the rights of those who are not of their beliefs{ie:trying to hold back gay marriage-even if done under secular law in a court of law rather than a church], why? because christians -though they may generally "tolerate" the existence of others beliefs and ideas and non-hurtful lifestyles they consider sinful, they are still fighting for a theocracy, and theocracy has never been good for the advancement of peace,equalioty and altruism. Only non-revealed religons democracy.
From what I can see, it is your revealed religon of christianity, and other revealed religons that limit the Creator and thereby insult him/her/it.
The fact that you could not even contemplate that perhaps the way that the Creator brough us to this point could not be done via some other means than revealed religon, says that you are limiting this immense being/force.
Peace to you
