Defunding Planned Parenthood

[brewmama]

That's exactly what the phrase means. It means that any income from one service is ploughed back into another. There are no members, or owners, to pay out to.

There are directors and employees.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood's revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

 

[WarriorAngel]

Are you prepared to pay more taxes to support the children?

More taxes for more schools, better health care, more housing, benefits for the unemployed, etc. Or does your responsibility for the children end after conception?

The US has a major problem with population growth. It either reduces it or those with good jobs pay a lot in taxes, to stop the poor rebelling.

How about defunding PPF - and lowering the outrageous salaries of government - such as the president, and all of the house and senate etc...and when they are out of office - they no longer receive compensation.

Imagine how much more could go to the poor of this country without asking workers to take on more of the cost.

 

[WarriorAngel]

There are directors and employees.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood's revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

And everyone else has to put more into them via taxes.
Isnt that special?

 

[WarriorAngel]

I just want ppl to know more about abortions and their 'safety'.

 

[brewmama]

And everyone else has to put more into them via taxes.
Isnt that special?

Yes, ordinarily this lot would be screaming about "subsidies for the rich", but strangely enough...silence.

 

[ebia]

That doesn't sound like a loophole? "uh, yeah, we'll give you your organs for free, just pay shipping and handling!" I just think taking unborn babies and harvesting their organs without consent is barbaric, much worse than anything that liberals say is "hateful and bigoted". So I'd ssimply want there to be some law that says no organ harvesting without consent--and since fetuses aren't considered human beings, they can have the woman getting the abortion agree to it. If a woman is asked and agrees to allow her baby to be used in that way, ok.

If this was a person's cat, for example, being harvested for its organs if the vets tried and failed to,save it from some life-threatening illness, I'm sure the owners would not like having their cat's organs harvested without their consent, eh?

But they do get consent

 

[ebia]

There are directors and employees.

And? People get paid for doing their job.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood's revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

And? As a not for profit the only thing they can do with that excess is to plough it back into services.

 

[MikeK]

I don't think our politicians' salaries are unjust. Their incomes are in line with succesful Doctors and Lawyers and they are pid well, but not obnoxiously well.

Really? Where do you get your info?

"4. Planned Parenthood’s business model is centered on abortion. Former Planned Parenthood clinic director Abby Johnson has written that she was given an abortion quota, and was even told by her superiors to “double the number of abortions” in order to bring in more revenue.[vii] Abortion patients constitute 12 percent of Planned Parenthood clients -- 332,000 of 3 million unduplicated clients in its most current report. 37 percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic income revenue is from abortion procedures, according to conservative estimates. Planned Parenthood has issued a directive instructing that all affiliates must have at least one clinic that performs abortion by 2013.[viii] According to an NBC news report from December 2012, out of the “74 regional affiliates” a handful of those affiliates chose to leave the organization, rather than comply with the policy. [ix]"
http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/top-12-reasons-defund-planned-parenthood-now

And no, I meant all the clinics that help men, women and children, as opposed to just women, and actually provide services like mammograms, which PP doesn't.

Why did you elect to quote a biased source which doesn't even address the statement you're responding to? Most PP centers are not set up to provide abortions, that procedure is performed in a minority of PP offices. Further, your source chides PP for not providing mammograms but fails to aknowledge that PP does refer women to programs which provide funding for mammograms, and that PP does perform paps and cervical cancer screening in house and often at no charge. PP is evil and shouldn't be funded by our tax dollars, but the public doesn't fully trust the pro-life movement because of dishonest snakes like those who compiled the list you linked to that tell half truths in hopes of soliciting an emotional but uninformed response. Out pro-life movement would be more effective if we lured the liars, half-trut hers and hyper-partisans from our ranks.

 

[ebia]

I don't think our politicians' salaries are unjust. Their incomes are in line with succesful Doctors and Lawyers and they are pid well, but not obnoxiously well.



Why did you elect to quote a biased source which doesn't even address the statement you're responding to? Most PP centers are not set up to provide abortions, that procedure is performed in a minority of PP offices. Further, your source chides PP for not providing mammograms but fails to aknowledge that PP does refer women to programs which provide funding for mammograms, and that PP does perform paps and cervical cancer screening in house and often at no charge. PP is evil and shouldn't be funded by our tax dollars, but the public doesn't fully trust the pro-life movement because of dishonest snakes like those who compiled the list you linked to that tell half truths in hopes of soliciting an emotional but uninformed response. Out pro-life movement would be more effective if we lured the liars, half-trut hers and hyper-partisans from our ranks.

Which makes me wonder how much of the exercise is about persuading others and reducing abortion rates, and how much is about convincing ourselves of the them-and-us evil-good narrative

 

[MoonlessNight]

Why did you elect to quote a biased source which doesn't even address the statement you're responding to?

I got about the same numbers in my own independent research, using numbers from Planned Parenthood and the CDC.

But in any case Mike, surely you aren't unaware of how the game is played in this debate:

1.) A pro-abortion advocate throws out an unsolicited claim about how great Planned Parenthood is. In the rare cases that there is any backing to these statements, it will be provided from Planned Parenthood itself or the Guttmacher Institute.
2.) A pro-lifer will object, and be challenged to provide documentation. If the documentation is gathered by an organization which is pro-life in any way, it is dismissed as unreliable since it comes from a biased source (though note that from part 1.) Planned Parenthood and the Guttmacher Institute are treated as unbiased an reliable sources). I have personally found that if the documentation is gathered by the poster himself from direct sources, it will simply be ignored.
3.) In any case, the pro-life claim is dismissed, and the pro-abortion claim is treated as fact.

Playing along with the script isn't being neutral.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

It seems like we are permanently divided between those who side with the culture vs. those who side with the Church.

 

[SolomonVII]

It seems like we are permanently divided between those who side with the culture vs. those who side with the Church.

Even when the culture is all about obnoxious traffiking of body parts.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

The way this is played by the absolute secularists is analogous to if we had a sporting game against each other and the Pro-Abortion side says, "Okay now, we make the rules, and the rule is that whichever side a goal is made is a point for us."

 

[Burghman]

quote from Congressman Randy Forbes, 4th District, VA, from his newsletter today:
https://mail.aol.com/webmail-std/en-us/suite

"...This is not about politics. This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about basic humanity and human dignity. We cannot with one breath argue that an unborn life is “simply tissue,” and with the next breath transfer that tissue as human organs for research."

Politicizing an organization like Planned Parenthood strictly on the basis of their providing abortions is short sighted. Planned Parenthood provides many gynecological services to women, who otherwise would not have access. Pap smears to rule out cervical cancers, and breast exams to rule out breast cancer. Pelvic exams to rule out a myriad of conditions that could prevent pregnancy. This going "ballistic" every time Planned Parenthood is mentioned, shows how ill informed some ideologues are.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Politicizing an organization like Planned Parenthood strictly on the basis of their providing abortions is short sighted. Planned Parenthood provides many gynecological services to women, who otherwise would not have access. Pap smears to rule out cervical cancers, and breast exams to rule out breast cancer. Pelvic exams to rule out a myriad of conditions that could prevent pregnancy. This going "ballistic" every time Planned Parenthood is mentioned, shows how ill informed some ideologues are.

Then you disagree with the bishops since they see nothing good about Planned Parenthood that can outweigh the evil of it.

USCCB Fact Sheet: Planned Parenthood Federation of America

• The Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) is the single largest abortion provider in the United States. In 2005 its affiliates performed 264,943 surgical and "medical" (i.e., RU-486) abortions -- a new record, and about 10,000 more abortions than in 2004, at a time when abortions are declining overall.1 PPFA is responsible for 1 in 5 abortions in the U.S.
• While PPFA claims to serve women's "choices," it reports providing prenatal care to just 12,548 women in 2005, and infertility services to only 248. Together these are one-twentieth the number of abortions it performs. For 2005 it reported no adoption referrals (compared to 1,414 the previous year).2
• PPFA takes in enormous revenues: $902.8 million in the year ending June 30, 2006 ($55.8 million more than expenses). Significant revenues are generated by charging $350-$650 per abortion. Over a third of its income, $305.3 million, was from taxpayers' dollars -- 12% more than in the previous year, and another all-time record.3
• PPFA says it wants to reduce abortions, yet advocates unrestricted access to abortion and lobbies and/or files suit against even very modest and widely supported laws that reduce abortions: laws requiring informed consent, a 24-hour waiting period after counseling to think over the decision, parental notification or consent before a minor daughter's abortion, state and federal bans on the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure, recordkeeping and reporting of abortions, and a ban on transporting minors across state lines for abortions to circumvent a home state's parental involvement law. 4
• "Freedom of choice" does not apply to those who disagree with PPFA. It strongly opposes laws recognizing a right of conscience for doctors and nurses morally opposed to abortion, referring to these dismissively as "refusal clauses." When government has said it will not force health professionals to violate their medical and moral judgment on abortion, PPFA makes the bizarre claim that such a policy "intrudes on private, personal medical decision making." PPFA, a corporate entity, dismisses conscientious objections by hospitals and health care organizations as "the whims of a corporate entity." 5
• PPFA promotes over-the-counter sales of high-dose "emergency contraceptive" (EC) pills, even to minors, although lower-dose birth control pills require a prescription due to health risks.6 PPFA also opposes conscience rights for pharmacists who object to dispensing these drugs due to their abortifacient potential.7 To promote EC use, PPFA affiliates hold "Free EC Days" around the country,8 despite numerous studies showing that EC programs do not reduce unplanned pregnancies or abortions.9
• Another PPFA giveaway is condoms. Consumer Reports ranked two PPFA condom brands dead last (and the only ones rated "poor") among 23 brands tested for strength and reliability, discovering a (presumably unintentional) way to keep condom users coming back for abortions and STD treatment.10
• PPFA practices a very selective form of generosity to the victims of horrible tragedy. After so many lost their lives in the 9/11 terrorist attack, the January 2006 Sago Mine disaster, and Hurricane Katrina, PPFA offered relief to survivors ... in the form of free birth control and abortions.11
• PPFA strongly supports the dangerous abortion drug RU-486, promoted its approval by the FDA, and volunteered to conduct early U.S. drug trials. In one trial the patient nearly bled to death, but the PPFA affiliate did not report this as an "adverse event."12 Young Californians Holly Patterson and Vivian Tran died from toxic poisoning after Planned Parenthood's RU-486 abortions.13 PPFA's promotion of RU-486 continues, despite a medical finding that the risk of death after such abortions, from infection alone, is ten times the risk of death from all causes in surgical abortions at the same stage of pregnancy.14 Some affiliates even flout FDA protocols by giving RU-486 for abortions up to one week later than the time the FDA found such use "safe."15
• PPFA exports its ideology to developing nations, promoting abortion as family planning and even pressing for U.S. taxpayer support of organizations involved in coerced abortion programs abroad. In 1983, the then-current president of PPFA co-authored and signed a notorious International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) declaration urging affiliates to violate their own countries' laws and perform illegal abortions: "Family Planning Associations and other non-governmental organizations should not use the absence of a law or the existence of an unfavourable law as an excuse for inaction; action outside the law, and even in violation of it, is part of the process of stimulating change."16

Source

 

[MoonlessNight]

I find it interesting that when an individual or company uses the confederate flag, they are immediately condemned.

But when Planned Parenthood is condemned for slaughtering children and ghoulishly selling their organs, there's no end to the defenses, cries for neutrality, pleas to be more nuanced in our approach, etc.

If you are defending Planned Parenthood, you need to ask yourself whether you support their slaughter of the innocent, or whether you are being duped by Planned Parenthood, because it's one or the other.

 

[pdudgeon]

It seems like we are permanently divided between those who side with the culture vs. those who side with the Church.

by their deliberate choice, yes, they are the ones who have turned their back and walked away.
but that's how it has always been, down through the ages.

The issue of abortion is no different.
It is turning away from abundant life and God's plan
and accepting instead a cup of the bitter dregs of loss.

no one comes out of an abortion happy and smiling.
they come away crying, in both physical and emotional pain, wombs violated, knowing inside what it was that they gave up.

Earlier this year at The March for Life in Ottowa there were live testimonies given
by women who had had a previous abortion. They spoke about what it was like,
the emotional pain and suffering that they went through, and how hard it
had been for them to find comfort, reconciliation, and to come back to
the church.

They had experienced first hand an abortion, and as a result those women (and men too) were marching
for life. Oh yes, they also had men there at the rally who had supported abortion and regretted doing so.
If anything their grief for the fatherhood they lost that day was even more heartbreaking to see.

This is not just a woman's issue, no matter what PP says. It affects men too.

 

[grandvizier1006]

Politicizing an organization like Planned Parenthood strictly on the basis of their providing abortions is short sighted. Planned Parenthood provides many gynecological services to women, who otherwise would not have access. Pap smears to rule out cervical cancers, and breast exams to rule out breast cancer. Pelvic exams to rule out a myriad of conditions that could prevent pregnancy. This going "ballistic" every time Planned Parenthood is mentioned, shows how ill informed some ideologues are.

But do they really have to? Must everyone who dislikes abortion constantly have to be harped on about how much they don't care about women's health? Must everyone who thinks that killing unborn children is just ethically wrong be told that they must love PP anyway since PP does tons of wonderful things that are only ever acknowledged whenever PP is criticized? Is there really no good reason why other companies, like, I don't know HOSPITALS and DOCTOR's OFFICES can't provide these invaluable services? Or is PP given some sort of monopoly privileges because it also gives abortions and for some bizarre reason gets to be the only company which provides them? Or can these only come from one specific company that got rich from abortions and abortions alone? Do you think that if for some reason Pp had to stop mammograms or whatever anyone would be so concerned? Assuming that the left didn't have a hissy fit and allowed them to go through with this, that would women everywhere suddenly no longer have any opportunities to screen for breast cancer? NO ONE ELSE can provide all of these non-abortion-related services?

I don't understand why any Christian would be so selfish as to just not care about the murder of human life. I am tired of abortions being compared to the Holocaust, but do liberals ever stop and ask why the comparison is made?

1. Many people are slaughtered for being unwanted, and said systematic killing is authorized by the state.
2. society knows it but just sort of ignores it because it's technically legal.
3. Anyone who speaks out against it is deemed crazy/stupid/dangerous.


Sure, there is no war going on, the babies aren't being called sub-human, and there aren't corpses everywhere in concentration camps. The abortion issue is not quite like the Holocaust. But it sure has some similarities.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

It seems impossible to get today's society to see it through the eyes of the Church since people don't even accept the basic premise that some things are objectively true. I believe that the "strong delusion" St. Paul said would come is today's relativism.

 

[ebia]

It seems impossible to get today's society to see it through the eyes of the Church ...

Everytime you over-egg the pudding, you turn people away. The truth doesn't need lies or misinformation.

Everytime someone says "planned parenthood are stealing baby's tissues and selling them", when the truth turns out to be that they'd had consent and they were only reimbursed the costs, you convince people that your cause is wrong. Everytime you talk about defunding PP, instead of talking about moving the funding to other organisations, you convince people your cause is wrong.