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Defining sola scriptura.

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Metal, you are just upset because you can not prove SS from bible or even an implicit biblical verse for your particular protestant church.I don't care if you even have a source outside the Holy Bible to prove, either sola Scriptura or the founding of your particular protestant church, just show me that information.

Lol, no Barry, I'm far from upset, and Sola Scriptura has been shown from scripture throughout this thread. I don't need an external source for Sola Scriptura, as God doesn't appeal to anyone higher than Himself. If it's His word, what more do you need? I understand that you cannot provide the information I asked for, just as MoreCoffee and the rest of the RCC can't. I understand that this fact makes you angry. Sorry, but it is, what it is. As to my particular denomination, red herring.
 
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Metal, you are just upset because you can not prove SS from bible or even an implicit biblical verse for your particular protestant church.I don't care if you even have a source outside the Holy Bible to prove, either sola Scriptura or the founding of your particular protestant church, just show me that information.
They can't because it doesn't exist so all they can do is play games. They have to twist Scripture to show their doctrine of man not of God
 
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They can't because it doesn't exist so all they can do is play games. They have to twist Scripture to show their doctrine of man not of God

Not sure why you're still posting here top. You haven't added anything but previously refuted assertions. Including the above...
 
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I heard and took part in that drivel before. The protestant evangelical way is the wrong way

Ok, I see. You have a personal vendetta against what you see as a protestant point of view.

Simply put, I don't care. The word of God is not about your personal opinion and bad feelings towards other Christians. Neither is this thread, so unless you have something to substantiate your claims; I'm not going to bother responding anymore.

Thank you for the conversation and God bless.
 
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The list for saint peter's see is long but you did ask.
The Lord Jesus Christ chose saint Peter the apostle to be the rock on which the church was to be built so the first 'pope' was

I want to look at this scripture that keeps coming up:

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

First of all what we see is that we cannot start with verse 17 by it's self because it starts with a conjuction. Which means it is part of a statement, and is out of context alone.

For example: "And is out of context alone." By it's self this sentence does not make sense.

So we have to go back to Verse 15 and we find a question was asked: But whom say ye that I am? To this Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

So what we have to understand is that by going back to verse 13, to 15, the common conversational topic of this paragraph is what others say Jesus's identity is, and what Peter say's Jesus's identity is. Which leads us to the answer of Peter confessing Jesus as Christ, and the Son of God. Which Jesus confirms by stating that only God could reveal such knowledge.

Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. This is where the confusion is:And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Note, The Christian religion is a revealed religion, it is a religion from above, given by inspiration of God, not the learning of philosophers, nor the politics of religion. Saving faith is the gift of God, and, wherever it is, is wrought by him, as the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for his sake, and can only be revealed by him. Not man. "for flesh and blood hath not revealed it"


Jesus give simon the new name of Peter, and tell him and upon this rock I will build my church;

The conversation with peter was about the Confession of Jesus as Christ, and the son of God, as revealed by God. THAT is the the rock on which the church is born. So, the revalation and confession of Jesus christ as revealed by God is the foundation, or rock, of Christianity. Peter was name thusly to remind him of his commission as a leader in the faith, to be stead fast, and to keep in remembrance who the rock was. He was made into a pastor. That's it. Now let's go a little deeper.


this

[this] Show IPA pronoun and adjective, plural these [theez] Show IPA , adverb
pronoun 1. (used to indicate a remark just mentioned or pointed out, supposed to be understood, or by way of emphasis.

So your new name is Peter but THIS is the foundation of my church.


Also to just touch up on this subject, the earthly "church" or "Temple" was destroyed the moment Jesus died on the cross, and was resurrected with him as his body.

Joh 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
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LostMarbles, yes he is saved,but he certainly did not have sola Scriptura, so he was not saved by Sola Scriptura.

Ok... let me break this down to what I am saying. When we quote scripture we are in fact quoting the word of God. We already know that Jesus is the word of God manifest in the flesh, so when the thief on the cross was convicted by Jesus, He was in fact convicted by the word of God, AKA scripture.

Metal, you are just upset because you can not prove SS from bible or even an implicit biblical verse for your particular protestant church.I don't care if you even have a source outside the Holy Bible to prove, either sola Scriptura or the founding of your particular protestant church, just show me that information.

Are you saying that you will only accept information other than the holy bible to explain sola scriptura?
 
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Are you saying that you will only accept information other than the holy bible to explain sola scriptura?

Basically. It's a deep seated appeal to authority that is well developed in our RCC brothers and sisters. If the Church didn't say it, it didn't happen....in a nutshell.
 
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I heard and took part in that drivel before.
The protestant evangelical way is the wrong way
If you needed surgery, would you accept a non-RC doctor?

Young LT) Mark 5:
25 and a certain woman, having an issue of blood twelve years,
26 and many things having suffered under many physicians, and having spent all that she had, and having profited nothing, but rather having come to the worse,


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Are you saying that you will only accept information other than the holy bible to explain sola scriptura?

I think he's saying that he won't accept anything relating to Sola Scriptura under any circumstances.

On the other hand, it's already been defined, and that was the request of the OP, so there's nothing more to say to someone who doesn't want to hear it.

Let's move on.
 
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Just hold on a minute there, the thief on the cross was not saved by sola Scriptura He was saved by the Word made Flesh.

No one has said that we are "saved by Sola Scriptura." Go back to post #11 and read the definition.
 
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I've answered your question, now let's move on
I didn't ask a question.

because no matter what post # 11 tries to indicate , it is a moot subject, because it's subject matter of sola Scriptura is not a Christian teaching.

No one is forcing you to post on this thread if you don't know what Sola Scriptura means and don't care to learn.
 
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I've answered your question, now let's move on, because no matter what post # 11 tries to indicate , it is a moot subject, because it's subject matter of sola Scriptura is not a Christian teaching.


Sola scriptura - is Bible teaching - see Acts 17:11 and Gal 1:6-9. (As noted #612)

And Christians - read the Bible.

Post 11 starts with this definition

Here is the historic, formal, official definition. From 1577:


"The Scriptures are and should remain the sole rule in the norming of all doctrine among us"

(Lutheran Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm, 9).


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Sorry for not flooding this thread by not posting the entire long commentary in post 11 that goes far beyond the definition -- (you can click the link on the quote I just provided if you want to see all that commentary)

in Christ,

Bob
 
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Albion, I believe in the Christian Faith. Jesus is the Founder of the Christian Faith and He never endorsed any Protestant invented 'sola Scriptura ', no matter how you try to paint it.

Jesus endorsed sola scriptura testing of all church tradition in Mark 7:6-13. (As noted #612)
 
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Sola scriptura - is Bible teaching - see Acts 17:11 and Gal 1:6-9.

And Christians - read the Bible.

in Christ,

Bob

When the same people tell us that the Bible is "just a book," that it "wasn't given to us by God," and etc....

...and then proceed to claim that the Bible is part of their denomination's version of "Holy Tradition," which is believed by them to BE divine revelation, we know that we're dealing with criticism for criticism's sake only. ;)
 
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sola Scriptura in English means Scripture Alone

Very good! We believe that the Bible, being the inspired revelation of God, is more to be trusted than anything else--and certainly more than folktales, human speculation, custom, etc.

But I'm always open to hearing a good argument as to why these other sources of guidance MIGHT be more reliable than that which God has given to mankind or equal to it, for that matter.

Got any?
 
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