Defining sola scriptura.

[Metal Minister]

Hard to believe, given I've got a dozen or so within a short walk of where I sit.

And back to the "(insert number here)of denominations" canard again...

 

[tadoflamb]

And back to the "(insert number here)of denominations" canard again...

I don't know, sola scripturists invented the concept, you tell me how many denominations you have.

Until then, I've still got a dozen or so sola scripturist denominations within five minutes of where I sit.

Would you like me to name them for you?

 

[Metal Minister]

I don't know, sola scripturists invented the concept, you tell me how many denominations you have.

Until then, I've still got a dozen or so sola scripturist denominations within five minutes of where I sit.

Would you like me to name them for you?

*sigh* I'm not even going to bother to, once again, explain your misunderstanding of Sola Scriptura. You've been corrected numerous times, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you're being purposefully disingenuous.

 

[tadoflamb]

*sigh* I'm not even going to bother to, once again, explain your misunderstanding of Sola Scriptura. You've been corrected numerous times, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you're being purposefully disingenuous.

No, sola scripturists are honestly confused as to what the concept/principle/rule/praxis/teaching/doctrine is. It's on full display here and the more sola scripturists who join the thread, the more convoluted the definition will become.


But since the OP is asking for different denominations definitions, maybe you could help us out, skip your personal opinions, and graciously provide your denominations definition of the concept/principle/rule/praxis/teaching/doctrine of sola scriptura.

 

[Metal Minister]

No, sola scripturists are honestly confused

No, those who adhere to Sola Scriptura are not confused, as this thread has easily shown. You're being disingenuous when you pursue the same line that has been refuted multiple times.

 

[LostMarbels]

Sorry, I'm having a difficult time discerning whether your asking if I think scripture interprets scripture or the bible is God.

Ok... I will help break it down for you. In my post #593 I stated: "To answer your question tho, no the bible is not God. We have God the father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost."
If you look at the first part of the sentence you will see I wrote: "to answer your Question tho" This is the tricky part. That means I was making a statement attempting to answer your question.

You with me so far?

After that statement I wrote that really long 2 letter word: "no".

No, is a negative affirmation. It means the opposite of yes. We cool so far? You still with me? Then I finished the sentence with " no the bible is not God. So by using the word "no" I was saying that I do not believe the bible is God.

I hope this helps with your confusion, I am sorry I do not know how to break it down any more.

At any rate, I'm Catholic and Catholics don't believe either of those.

What do you think the word of God is?

 

[tadoflamb]

No, those who adhere to Sola Scriptura are not confused, as this thread has easily shown. You're being disingenuous when you pursue the same line that has been refuted multiple times.

What is your denomination's definition of sola scriptura? Surely they don't default to post #11.

If you don't want to give it to me, just tell me the name of your denomination and I'll look it up myself.

 

[tadoflamb]

What do you think the word of God is?

The written revelation of Christ.

But I wouldn't believe that if the Catholic Church didn't compel me.

 

[Metal Minister]

What is your denomination's definition of sola scriptura? Surely they don't default to post #11.

If you don't want to give it to me, just tell me the name of your denomination and I'll look it up myself.

Tad, we've been over this. You've been nothing but disingenuous since you were informed. As a Reformed Baptist, I hold to Sola Scriptura. The bible is the sole infallible rule of faith and doctrine for the church. Stop trying to find wiggle room in the slightly different verbiage. Sola Scriptura is Sola Scriptura. You don't like it, I understand. It disproves a number of your denomination's dogmas, but that isn't our problem.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Tad, we've been over this. You've been nothing but disingenuous since you were informed. As a Reformed Baptist, I hold to Sola Scriptura. The bible is the sole infallible rule of faith and doctrine for the church. Stop trying to find wiggle room in the slightly different verbiage. Sola Scriptura is Sola Scriptura. You don't like it, I understand. It disproves a number of your denomination's dogmas, but that isn't our problem.

Hum.... you too......yet another..... affirming the same as the historic, formal definition given in post # 11.





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[Albion]

Hard to believe, given I've got a dozen or so within a short walk of where I sit.

How would you know that to be so, given that you've said you don't know what Scripture Alone is?

 

[BobRyan]

So while it is true that Acts 17:11 shows sola scriptura "in practice" -- ("They searched the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the APOSTLE Paul -- were so")

It is Gal 1:6-9 that explains why that is such an important NT concept ...

Do you believe Paul taught something different from what he wrote down? Or is it more likely that the tradition he's speaking of is what he taught that is exactly the same as what he preached?

Gal 1:6-9 "Though we (Apostles) or an Angel from heaven should teach a different Gospel ... let him be accursed".

You know, since I've become the topic of so many posts I've thought that I should start a thread about me, but in lieu of that let me just say the Catholic Church agrees with my personal reading of scripture 100%.

Then you must be 100% in favor of sola scriptura testing of RCC doctrine and tradition against the actual Bible.

nice to meet you.

How do you define sola scriptura?

Nice to meet you too.

You stated it well yourself - that in reading the scriptures you test to "see IF those things are so" and in your case you found them to match. Not all protesting Catholics came to that conclusion nor do they to this day who leave for that very reason. But that can be said of a great many churches where someone leaves.

And why take this subject so seriously?

Paul answers that in Gal 1:6-9.

Christ answers it in Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry, I'm having a difficult time discerning whether your asking if I think scripture interprets scripture or the bible is God.

At any rate, I'm Catholic and Catholics don't believe either of those.

You just said you tested the Catholic church doctrine and traditions against the Bible. How did you do that without using circular reasoning if you do not think the Bible is clearly written so as to read it and know what it is saying?

 

[topcare]

I think the thing is, I do not hold to any religion. I confess Jesus Christ as the one true God, and I ask for my understanding as commanded to in the bible. If any, any, of my belief systems oppose the word of God, it must immediately be shot in the head like a zombie, and left to rot so it doesn't bite someone else. I wouldn't even consider to judge God, and expect him to conform to my own belief systems.

Jesus is a stumbling block, and the word of God can not be understood by the carnally minded. Which means they stub a lot of toes. Also, Christianity is about self abasement, and mortification of the flesh. I do not see where there is room to draw lines with God in what will and will not be accepted as His truth, by us, His creation. We need to ask the only one who knows the answers.

Spoken like a true evangelical who doesn't understand that Christianity itself is a Religion and places their own interpretation of Scriptures above everyone else because only they are right and has God conform to him though denies such and poo poo's Traditional Christianity in favor of the ever trendy meianity

 

[Rick Otto]

Truth is not a religion.

 

[LostMarbels]

Spoken like a true evangelical who doesn't understand that Christianity itself is a Religion and places their own interpretation of Scriptures above everyone else because only they are right and has God conform to him though denies such and poo poo's Traditional Christianity in favor of the ever trendy meianity

Not at all true. What I stated is in post #596

I think the thing is, I do not hold to any religion. I confess Jesus Christ as the one true God, and I ask for my understanding as commanded to in the bible. If any, any, of my belief systems oppose the word of God, it must immediately be shot in the head like a zombie, and left to rot so it doesn't bite someone else. I wouldn't even consider to judge God, and expect him to conform to my own belief systems.

When I need insight I pray. I ask the holy spirit to reveal his insight to me in Christ Jesus name, and I ask Jesus to forgive my pride in thinking I have the answers. Why? If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

I ask because I believe God has the answers. I receive answers because I am not wavering in that faith.

When I meet a pastor, The first thing I do is confess Jesus Christ is the word of God made flesh, and ask them to do the same. If they cannot, or will not confess Jesus Christ, I will not accept them as inspired by God. Dont get me wrong. There are allot of good pastors that speak good biblical truth in their flesh, but do they understand what they preach?

Why do I do this?

1Jn 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Because yet again the word of God has given me instruction on what is to be trusted. If you just look into the perfect word of God, it will direct you steeps, and speak only truth.

 

[Albion]

When I need insight I pray. I ask the holy spirit to reveal his insight to me in Christ Jesus name, and I ask Jesus to forgive my pride in thinking I have the answers. Why? If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God....I ask because I believe God has the answers. I receive answers because I am not wavering in that faith.

What you're describing is a religion. It's not a very formal or highly structured religion, but it's a religion.

 

[LostMarbels]

The written revelation of Christ.

But I wouldn't believe that if the Catholic Church didn't compel me.

Then you are in trouble. Where does faith come form? Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. If you think you need others to tell you what is true, how do you know if they are correct?

What is the standard of you knowing whether or not your being mislead?

 

[LostMarbels]

What you're describing is a religion. It's not a very formal or highly structured religion, but it's a religion.

Semantics, just like us humans beings are classified as mammals; anything to do with God can be classified as religion, but neither of these classifications have anything to do with the truth of the matter at hand. No matter how correct, full of facts, or ornate these classifications are, they are still only the creations understanding of the creators world.

We still need to ask the creator if our classifications are correct.

 

[Albion]

Semantics, just like us humans beings are classified as mammals

That's because we ARE mammals.

The point is that what you've described is a religion--by definition. It's not a typical religion but it's still a religion because it meets the definition of a religion.

I understand that you want to say that you are not an adherent of any organized religion and don't subscribe to any of the failings that you associate with them, but yours is still a religion, if, however, a personal one.