Defining sola scriptura.

[Rick Otto]

I am glad that you read post #1 but a little disappointed that post #11 does not tell me what scriptures support the definition that you gave.

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When you're ready I'd be interested to see your answers to the bold text.

Did you notice any disconnect between the subject of the thread title, and the text of the OP?

...maybe it's just me.

 

[tadoflamb]

Correct. However, we should add that it's not tradition that determines what is Tradition either! That is to say, it's not necessary for there to have been any record of consistency through time or among theologians or in any other way that we would normally think of a "tradition," either religious or any other kind, as representing.

Maybe the Anglicans can help us out:

Two Christian denominations that uphold the position of prima scriptura are the Anglican Communion and the Methodist Church.[1][4] In the Anglican tradition, Sacred Scripture, tradition, and reason form the Anglican triad or "three-legged stool", formulated by the Anglican theologian Richard Hooker.

Sola scriptura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tadoflamb]

I am glad that you read post #1 but a little disappointed that post #11 does not tell me what scriptures support the definition that you gave.

Post #11 doesn't offer a single scriptural reference.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Post #11 doesn't offer a single scriptural reference.

I did in post #315

http://www.christianforums.com/t7868361/#post67137464



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[MoreCoffee]

Did you notice any disconnect between the subject of the thread title, and the text of the OP?

...maybe it's just me.

Yeah, I reckon it's just you

 

[tadoflamb]

So, how about it sola scripturists? After 1577 did you reformulate all Christian doctrine, or were you happy to accept in part what you had received from the Catholic Church?

Let me make this easy for you. The two natures of Christ. Was this reformulated using the principle/praxis/rule/teaching/doctrine of sola scriptura?

How about the doctrine on the Trinity?

The canon of your bible?

All other beliefs you hold in common with the Catholic Church, how about them? Were these reformulated after 1577, or are we somehow in debt to the sola scripturists for validating them using the bible as their only rule?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I did in post #315

I'm not sure what length & breadth do to support a definition of sola scriptura.

 

[tadoflamb]

I did in post #315

http://www.christianforums.com/t7868361/#post67137464



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That post looks like it was generated by the search function of your bible software.

Nice try though.

 

[Rick Otto]

Post #11 doesn't offer a single scriptural reference.

Spoken like a true Sola Scriptura traditionalist!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm not sure what length & breadth do to support a definition of sola scriptura.

It was in response to this post concerning "measuring stick"

Originally Posted by CaliforniaJosiah

In epistemology, "canon" = rule, measuring stick. See post # 11.

"The Scriptures are and should remain the sole rule in the norming of all doctrine among us"

The Rule of Scripture is the practice of embracing Scripture as the rule ("straight edge") - canon ("measuring stick") - norma normans (the norm that norms) as it is called in epistemology, as we examine and evaluate the positions (especially doctrines) among us.
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Isn't this at type of "measuring stick" in Reve 11?

Revelation 11:1
And was given to me a reed like a rod/staff saying, "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of Yahweh and the altar, and those worshiping in it


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[Albion]

Spoken like a true Sola Scriptura traditionalist!

I think it's correctly spelled traditionist. To say "traditionalist" would suggest that it's based upon something that's actually traditional, don't you know?

 

[MoreCoffee]

It was in response to this post concerning "measuring stick"...

Oh, but that has very little to do with the original post.

 

[tadoflamb]

Did you notice any disconnect between the subject of the thread title, and the text of the OP?

No, but I am noticing a serious disconnect between what you as a sola scripturist believe and practice and what the sola scripturist author of post#11 believes and practices.

Maybe you can explain to me how this brings accountability among sola scripturists. (see post #11)


And while we're at it, did you at any point bother to reaffirm using the bible as your only rule, those beliefs and practices you've retained from the Catholic Church, or were you happy enough to accept what the Church had handed down to you using the Sacred Scriptures, Sacred Tradition and the 2000 year teaching Magisterium of the Church?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Oh, but that has very little to do with the original post.

Why not?



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[barryatlake]

Topic- defining sola Scriptura;

Jesus fulfilled the laws and established His church which has existed since the Apostles and who still has Apostolic succession today, so unless we missed the second coming and Jesus established new laws and abolished the laws that the Catholic church still uses today during the Reformation, then the Catholic Church is the true Church Jesus established and things like the real presence in Eucharist is still the truth, there is no other way around it. No mere human can abolish what Jesus created. You cannot show up 1500 years later and claim that Jesus is not present in the Eucharist and the Bible is now the only authority you need. Jesus is the only one who can make changes like that, and you can not show me where Jesus said:...." bring your brother to a Bible instead of His Church......" { Matt.18: 15-18 ] to His Apostles not to a Bible Jesus said these words: "He who hears you, hears me..... " {Luke 10:16 } also, the following verses gives support in Apostolic Traditional Teaching { Matt.28:18- 20 } I will end this post showing why the Catholic/ Apostolic Church teaches that both Holy Scripture along with Holy Apostolic Traditional Teaching is necessary for the "Fullness of the Christian Faith " and that verse is {2nd Thess. 2:15 |} You non-Catholics "Bible-Alone" adherents simply reject certain verses and only cherry -pick one verse and that being {2nd Tim.3: 16-17 }

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why not?

Here's the original post; tell me if it is about the length & breath of anything.

How does your denomination define its doctrine of scripture and does it have a specific section or sections that tell you that scripture alone is the only infallible rule of faith by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest is the Holy Spirit speaking in the holy scriptures?

If so can you quote from the official doctrinal standard, show what passages of holy scripture are used to support its declaration on this subject, and explain its meaning in your own words, please?

 

[Albion]

Why not?



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Don't worry about it. Little that we've been discussing here lately is directly connected to the OP since the definition of Sola Scriptura was given a dozen or more times and then we began just wandering over related subjects.

 

[Rick Otto]

I think it's correctly spelled traditionist. To say "traditionalist" would suggest that it's based upon something that's actually traditional, don't you know?

Thanks, partner. Sometimes I shoot from the hip.
Is that like the difference between me saying I'm a musician and saying I am a musical stylist?

 

[barryatlake]

Topic- defining sola Scriptura;

Jesus fulfilled the laws and established His church which has existed since the Apostles and who still has Apostolic succession today, so unless we missed the second coming and Jesus established new laws and abolished the laws that the Catholic church still uses today during the Reformation, then the Catholic Church is the true Church Jesus established and things like the real presence in Eucharist is still the truth, there is no other way around it. No mere human can abolish what Jesus created. You cannot show up 1500 years later and claim that Jesus is not present in the Eucharist and the Bible is now the only authority you need. Jesus is the only one who can make changes like that, and you can not show me where Jesus said:...." bring your brother to a Bible instead of His Church......" { Matt.18: 15-18 ] to His Apostles not to a Bible Jesus said these words: "He who hears you, hears me..... " {Luke 10:16 } also, the following verses gives support in Apostolic Traditional Teaching { Matt.28:18- 20 } I will end this post showing why the Catholic/ Apostolic Church teaches that both Holy Scripture along with Holy Apostolic Traditional Teaching is necessary for the "Fullness of the Christian Faith " and that verse is {2nd Thess. 2:15 |} You non-Catholics "Bible-Alone" adherents simply reject certain verses and only cherry -pick one verse and that being {2nd Tim.3: 16-17 }
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[LittleLambofJesus]

Here's the original post; tell me if it is about the length & breath of anything.
Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

How does your denomination define its doctrine of scripture and does it have a specific section or sections that tell you that scripture alone is the only infallible rule of faith by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest is the Holy Spirit speaking in the holy scriptures?
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What rule of faith are those in the Sanctuary being measured for? Their looks?

Revelation 11:1
And was given to me a reed like a rod/staff saying, "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of Yahweh and the altar, and those worshiping in it

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

2Peter 3:16
As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things, in which are difficult to understand, which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used reve 17:8, 11]

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