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How do you know what Jesus said? Oh yeah! It got written down!
I want to see the definition of sola scriptura in the Sacred Scriptures. At this point it's seventeen words written in 1577, locked in the Book of Concord, Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm Sec. 9 with no scriptural support.
I want to see the definition of sola scriptura with no scriptural support.
Yeah, I can see where that can be confusling within a lot of Christianity today.I want you to solve 342+ 9489 -15 without using math.
Say it slowly.... sola scriptura. AKA Scripture alone.
How do you think it makes any sense at all to define "Scripture alone" without the use of scripture?
Again......Scripture.....Alone......
"According to Keith Mathison, over the last one hundred and fifty years Evangelicalism has replaced sola scriptura, according to which Scripture is the only infallible ecclesial authority, with solo scriptura, the notion that Scripture is the only ecclesial authority.
The direct implication of solo scriptura is that each person is his own ultimate interpretive authority.
Solo scriptura is, according to Mathison, an unbiblical position; proponents of sola scriptura should uphold the claim that Scripture is the only infallible authority, but should repudiate any position according to which individual Christians are the ultimate arbiters of Scriptural truth.
In this article we argue that there is no principled difference between sola scriptura and solo scriptura with respect to the holder of ultimate interpretive authority, and that a return to apostolic succession is the only way to avoid the untoward consequences to which both solo scriptura and sola scriptura lead."
Solo Scriptura, Sola Scriptura, and the Question of Interpretive Authority | Called to Communion
Read and discuss!
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Read http://www.christianforums.com/t7544221/
IF you have a problem with self designating self as the sole, authoritative, infallible, unaccountable interpreter of Scripture, take that up with the RCC. It is the only denomination (known to me) that does that. And to discuss it here may be a rule violation (hijacking) since Sola Scriptura - the topic here - doesn't designate anything or anyone as the interpreter of anything (unaccountable or otherwise).
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Thanks for your post, CJ, but we are beyond establishing the norm. Both Sola and Solo scriptura groups acknowledge that scripture is the rule or norm.
What we are discussing in this thread is the difference in application between Sola and Sola Scriptura, specifically with regards to interpretive authority.
Would you agree with this statement?
.Whereas solo scriptura rejects the interpretive authority of the Church and the derivative authority of the creeds, sola scriptura affirms the interpretive authority of the Church and the derivative authority of the creeds, except when they teach something contrary to ones conscience, as informed by ones own interpretation of Scripture.
Derivative authority refers here to authority that is valid, yet subject to the ultimate authority of scripture
I want you to solve 342+ 9489 -15 without using math.
Say it slowly.... sola scriptura. AKA Scripture alone.
How do you think it makes any sense at all to define "Scripture alone" without the use of scripture?
Again......
Scripture.....
Alone......
Bring it up with the author of post #11. He disagrees with you and he's written the definition of sola scripturist with which no sola scritpturist has disagreed with in ten years!
BTW, where is scripture interprets scripture in the bible? No opinions please, scripture alone.
Perhaps that would be the definition of "SolA Scriptura" vs SolO Scriptura?So, you're beginning to recognize the oral Sacred Tradition in accordance with the written Sacred Scriptures. Astounding!
I have made my point before.
Scripture is the word of God.
Is the word of God in fact God?
Is Jesus the word of God in the flesh?
What does the scripture say about that?
I am coming straight out and saying as a declaration of faith in Christ Jesus name, that Since both Christ, and the word are God, both are equally perfect, without flaw, without sin, then only God the spirit can reveal the truths about his own word. Because only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.
There are no semantics or hard to interpret terms in what I am saying.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
Because of that fact; only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.
Jesus Christ is living Scripture. All he did or said is Scripture. We come to this by reading about Jesus in the bible, in Scripture, in the word of God. Jesus is in the bible is he not? He is written in Scripture to have no sin, perfect. It is also written in scripture that Jesus is the word of God.
How hard is it to understand what I am saying? The word of God is Jesus Christ and is just as perfect.
Though you've previously denied it, for the life of me, it looks like your calling the bible God. But that's not the question. The question is, where in the bible does it say the bible interprets the bible? This is a definition of sola scriptura, is it not?
Good question. How much time do you have?The question was, where in scripture does it say that scripture interprets scripture?
Book, chapter, verse, please.
No where is does the Bible say to use it alone, you may twist verses but you will never see the man made doctrine of Sola Scripturah
In post 11 the statement is not that only the Bible is inspired -- it is that the Bible is the sole standard for determining what is right and what is wrong when it comes to doctrine and practice.
As we see in Acts 17:11 - the Bible alone is the judge.
As we see in Mark 7:6-13 where the Bible alone is the judge.
Amen brotherThat's because, the seventeen words from the Book of Concord, Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm Sec. 9 and post #11 is all they got.
Testimony to the sorry state of sola scripturaism in the 21st century.
I am coming straight out and saying as a declaration of faith in Christ Jesus name, that Since both Christ, and the word are God, both are equally perfect, without flaw, without sin, then only God the spirit can reveal the truths about his own word. Because only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.
There are no semantics or hard to interpret terms in what I am saying.
Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
Because of that fact; only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.
Jesus Christ is living Scripture. All he did or said is Scripture. We come to this by reading about Jesus in the bible, in Scripture, in the word of God. Jesus is in the bible is he not? He is written in Scripture to have no sin, perfect. It is also written in scripture that Jesus is the word of God.
How hard is it to understand what I am saying? The word of God is Jesus Christ and is just as perfect.
No, the word of God is not God. The Word of God is Christ not written words on a page. The Revelation of God was written and the codified by the Unified Church but the Revelation of God is not limited to just the written even St. Paul says as such. Sola Scripturaists have prevented God's Revelation by insisting the is only one way God can give His RevelationI have made my point before.
Scripture is the word of God.
Is the word of God in fact God?
Is Jesus the word of God in the flesh?
What does the scripture say about that?
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In post 11 the statement is not that only the Bible is inspired -- it is that the Bible is the sole standard for determining what is right and what is wrong when it comes to doctrine and practice.
As we see in Acts 17:11 - the Bible alone is the judge.
As we see in Mark 7:6-13 where the Bible alone is the judge.
No where is does the Bible say to use it alone, you may twist verses but you will never see the man made doctrine of Sola Scriptura
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