Defining sola scriptura.

tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

SpyderByte said:
How do you know what Jesus said? Oh yeah! It got written down!

I'm editing this to apologize for my previous snarky reply and to point out that if it's in the bible, it must be important. The bible speaks incessantly to an oral Sacred Tradition. Certainly if 'it is written' can be used as evidence for sola scriptura, 'Jesus said" can be used as evidence for Sacred Tradition and not at the expense of the Sacred Scriptures.

LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

tadoflamb said:
I want to see the definition of sola scriptura in the Sacred Scriptures. At this point it's seventeen words written in 1577, locked in the Book of Concord, Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm Sec. 9 with no scriptural support.

I want you to solve 342+ 9489 -15 without using math.

Say it slowly.... sola scriptura. AKA Scripture alone.

How do you think it makes any sense at all to define "Scripture alone" without the use of scripture?

tadoflamb said:
I want to see the definition of sola scriptura with no scriptural support.

Again......

Scripture.....

Alone......

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I want you to solve 342+ 9489 -15 without using math.

Say it slowly.... sola scriptura. AKA Scripture alone.

How do you think it makes any sense at all to define "Scripture alone" without the use of scripture?
Again......Scripture.....Alone......

Yeah, I can see where that can be confusling within a lot of Christianity today.

When did the term "SOLO" [vs "SOLA"]Scriptura originate?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7547378/
Solo Scriptura and Sola Scriptura...is there a difference?

Ortho_Cat said:
"According to Keith Mathison, over the last one hundred and fifty years Evangelicalism has replaced sola scriptura, according to which Scripture is the only infallible ecclesial authority, with solo scriptura, the notion that Scripture is the only ecclesial authority.
The direct implication of solo scriptura is that each person is his own ultimate interpretive authority.

Solo scriptura is, according to Mathison, an unbiblical position; proponents of sola scriptura should uphold the claim that Scripture is the only infallible authority, but should repudiate any position according to which individual Christians are the ultimate arbiters of Scriptural truth.
In this article we argue that there is no principled difference between sola scriptura and solo scriptura with respect to the holder of ultimate interpretive authority, and that a return to apostolic succession is the only way to avoid the untoward consequences to which both solo scriptura and sola scriptura lead."

Solo Scriptura, Sola Scriptura, and the Question of Interpretive Authority | Called to Communion

Read and discuss!

CaliforniaJosiah said:
*SNIP*

Read http://www.christianforums.com/t7544221/

IF you have a problem with self designating self as the sole, authoritative, infallible, unaccountable interpreter of Scripture, take that up with the RCC. It is the only denomination (known to me) that does that. And to discuss it here may be a rule violation (hijacking) since Sola Scriptura - the topic here - doesn't designate anything or anyone as the interpreter of anything (unaccountable or otherwise).
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Ortho_Cat said:
Thanks for your post, CJ, but we are beyond establishing the norm. Both Sola and Solo scriptura groups acknowledge that scripture is the rule or norm.

What we are discussing in this thread is the difference in application between Sola and Sola Scriptura, specifically with regards to interpretive authority.
Would you agree with this statement?

Whereas solo scriptura rejects the interpretive authority of the Church and the derivative authority of the creeds, sola scriptura affirms the interpretive authority of the Church and the derivative authority of the creeds, except when they teach something contrary to ones conscience, as informed by ones own interpretation of Scripture.
Derivative authority refers here to authority that is valid, yet subject to the ultimate authority of scripture

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tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

Mark 1:17 Jesus said,

Mark 1:25 “Be quiet!” said Jesus sternly.

Mark 1:41he said. “Be clean!”

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said

Mark 2:8 and he said to them,

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them,

Mark 3:3 Jesus said to the man

Mark 4:9 Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

Mark 4:13 Then Jesus said to them,

Mark 4:35 That day when evening came, he said to his disciples,

Mark 5:8 For Jesus had said to him,

Mark 5:19 Jesus did not let him, but said, has had mercy on you.”

Mark 5:35 While Jesus was still speaking,

Mark 5:36 Jesus toldl him, “

Mark 6:4 Jesus said to them,

Mark 7:14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. (my personal favorite)

Mark 8:1 Jesus called his disciples to him and said,

Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said.

Mark 9:23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus.

Mark 9:25 he said

Mark 9:35 Sitting down, Jesus called the Twelve and said,

Mark 9:39 Jesus said.

Mark 10:14 He said to them,

Mark 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said.

Mark 10:23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples,

Mark 10:24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again,

Mark 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said,

Mark 10:38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said.

Mark 10:39 Jesus said to them,

Mark 10:42 Jesus called them together and said,

Mark 10:49 Jesus stopped and said,

Mark 10:52 “Go,” said Jesus,

Mark 11:33 Jesus said,

Mark 12:17 Then Jesus said to them,

Mark 12:34 When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him,

Mark 12:38 As he taught, Jesus said,

Mark 12:43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said,

Mark 13:5 Jesus said to them:

Mark 14:6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus.

Mark 14:32 Jesus said to his disciples,

Mark 14:48 said Jesus,

Mark 14:62 “I am,” said Jesus.

tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I want you to solve 342+ 9489 -15 without using math.

Say it slowly.... sola scriptura. AKA Scripture alone.

How do you think it makes any sense at all to define "Scripture alone" without the use of scripture?

Again......

Scripture.....

Alone......

Bring it up with the author of post #11. He disagrees with you and he's written the definition of sola scriptura with which no sola scritpturist has disagreed in ten years!

BTW, where is scripture interprets scripture in the bible? No opinions please, scripture alone.

LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

tadoflamb said:
Bring it up with the author of post #11. He disagrees with you and he's written the definition of sola scripturist with which no sola scritpturist has disagreed with in ten years!

BTW, where is scripture interprets scripture in the bible? No opinions please, scripture alone.

What do you define as scripture?

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 16, 2015

Originally Posted by SpyderByte

How do you know what Jesus said? Oh yeah! It got written down!

tadoflamb said:
So, you're beginning to recognize the oral Sacred Tradition in accordance with the written Sacred Scriptures. Astounding!

Perhaps that would be the definition of "SolA Scriptura" vs SolO Scriptura?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS VS THE CORRUPT JUDEAN RULERS

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".

Matt 23:33
"Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>"

2Peter 3:16
As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings,
toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>.
[# 684 used reve 17:8, 11]

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

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tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
What do you define as scripture?

About seven more books than you do.

Now, where is scripture interprets scripture in scripture?

LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

I have made my point before.

Scripture is the word of God.

Is the word of God in fact God?

Is Jesus the word of God in the flesh?

What does the scripture say about that?

tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I have made my point before.

Scripture is the word of God.

Is the word of God in fact God?

Is Jesus the word of God in the flesh?

What does the scripture say about that?

The question was, where in scripture does it say that scripture interprets scripture?

Book, chapter, verse, please.

LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

I am coming straight out and saying as a declaration of faith in Christ Jesus name, that Since both Christ, and the word are God, both are equally perfect, without flaw, without sin, then only God the spirit can reveal the truths about his own word. Because only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

There are no semantics or hard to interpret terms in what I am saying.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

Because of that fact; only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

Jesus Christ is living Scripture. All he did or said is Scripture. We come to this by reading about Jesus in the bible, in Scripture, in the word of God. Jesus is in the bible is he not? He is written in Scripture to have no sin, perfect. It is also written in scripture that Jesus is the word of God.

How hard is it to understand what I am saying? The word of God is Jesus Christ and is just as perfect.

tadoflamb · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I am coming straight out and saying as a declaration of faith in Christ Jesus name, that Since both Christ, and the word are God, both are equally perfect, without flaw, without sin, then only God the spirit can reveal the truths about his own word. Because only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

There are no semantics or hard to interpret terms in what I am saying.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

Because of that fact; only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

Jesus Christ is living Scripture. All he did or said is Scripture. We come to this by reading about Jesus in the bible, in Scripture, in the word of God. Jesus is in the bible is he not? He is written in Scripture to have no sin, perfect. It is also written in scripture that Jesus is the word of God.

How hard is it to understand what I am saying? The word of God is Jesus Christ and is just as perfect.

Though you've previously denied it, for the life of me, it looks like your calling the bible God. But that's not the question. The question is, where in the bible does it say the bible interprets the bible? This is a definition of sola scriptura, is it not?

LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

tadoflamb said:
Though you've previously denied it, for the life of me, it looks like your calling the bible God. But that's not the question. The question is, where in the bible does it say the bible interprets the bible? This is a definition of sola scriptura, is it not?

No.

I need a definitive declaration from you.

Is Jesus Christ the word of God made flesh?

Is Jesus Christ God?

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 16, 2015

tadoflamb said:
The question was, where in scripture does it say that scripture interprets scripture?

Book, chapter, verse, please.

Good question. How much time do you have?

On another note, the sabbatarian SDAs and MJs ask Christians where Jesus/God abolished the 7th day Sabbath [instead of Sunday worship which the majority of Christianity accepts]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7814911/
Are the 10 Commandments Required for Christians? Is the Sabbath important to God?

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LostMarbels · Mar 16, 2015

I am asking you straight up questions.

Who among man is more qualified than God to interpret his word?

topcare · Mar 16, 2015

BobRyan said:
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In post 11 the statement is not that only the Bible is inspired -- it is that the Bible is the sole standard for determining what is right and what is wrong when it comes to doctrine and practice.

As we see in Acts 17:11 - the Bible alone is the judge.

As we see in Mark 7:6-13 where the Bible alone is the judge.

No where is does the Bible say to use it alone, you may twist verses but you will never see the man made doctrine of Sola Scriptura

topcare · Mar 16, 2015

tadoflamb said:
That's because, the seventeen words from the Book of Concord, Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, Rule and Norm Sec. 9 and post #11 is all they got.

Testimony to the sorry state of sola scripturaism in the 21st century.

Amen brother

Rick Otto · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I am coming straight out and saying as a declaration of faith in Christ Jesus name, that Since both Christ, and the word are God, both are equally perfect, without flaw, without sin, then only God the spirit can reveal the truths about his own word. Because only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

There are no semantics or hard to interpret terms in what I am saying.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

Because of that fact; only God is sinless and perfect as his word, and/or Christ.

Jesus Christ is living Scripture. All he did or said is Scripture. We come to this by reading about Jesus in the bible, in Scripture, in the word of God. Jesus is in the bible is he not? He is written in Scripture to have no sin, perfect. It is also written in scripture that Jesus is the word of God.

How hard is it to understand what I am saying? The word of God is Jesus Christ and is just as perfect.

I think what is hard, is they think they hear you saying you understand scripture perfectly... and what's worse, is you're doing it without permission.
Perfection has become the enemy of good.

topcare · Mar 16, 2015

LostMarbels said:
I have made my point before.

Scripture is the word of God.

Is the word of God in fact God?

Is Jesus the word of God in the flesh?

What does the scripture say about that?

No, the word of God is not God. The Word of God is Christ not written words on a page. The Revelation of God was written and the codified by the Unified Church but the Revelation of God is not limited to just the written even St. Paul says as such. Sola Scripturaists have prevented God's Revelation by insisting the is only one way God can give His Revelation

BobRyan · Mar 16, 2015

BobRyan said:
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In post 11 the statement is not that only the Bible is inspired -- it is that the Bible is the sole standard for determining what is right and what is wrong when it comes to doctrine and practice.

As we see in Acts 17:11 - the Bible alone is the judge.

As we see in Mark 7:6-13 where the Bible alone is the judge.

topcare said:
No where is does the Bible say to use it alone, you may twist verses but you will never see the man made doctrine of Sola Scriptura

In both examples above it is the "Bible alone" used to judge church teaching.

Do you find some other text used here??

If not - then the burden of proof for your argument is on the one making the argument. Was Christ in error in only using the Bible to do the Mark 7:6-13 ? Should we follow some other pattern than his and the one we see explicitly approved in Acts 17:11??

If so the burden of proof is on you to make your case.

in Christ,

Bob

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