Defining sola scriptura.

Albion said:

Whenever any of us has nothing of value to add to the conversation, it's always a good idea to let pass the impulse to write something anyway.

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tadoflamb said:

I've been asking for the official definition of sola scriptura for years now, not a repost of post #11, but anything linked to an official source. Perhaps it's the posting style or perhaps it's the shoddy understanding of Catholicism, but I'm not that gullible that I'm willing to take anyone's word for it. I, like the sola scripturists, like to read things for myself. Therefore, I would still like to examine any official definitions formulated by any of the sola scripturist denominations. Twelve years ago when I converted to Catholicism I never had to deal with this kind of obstructionism. Catholics were happy to link me to official documents which I could access and read at my own leisure. Ironic that it took a Catholic to recently provide the source for what we have been told is the official, historical, formal, confessional, verbatim definition of sola scriptura. Here are all seventeen words again in context:



The Solid Declaration of the Formula of Concord - Book of Concord

Notice, the word infallible isn't in there. Already you've deviated from the official, historical, formal, confessional, verbatim definition of sola scriptura.

But, beyond that, I'm also seeing deviations from the definition offered us to in post #11. Concepts usually associated with sola scriptura such as scripture interprets scripture, the perspicuity of scripture or the Holy Spirit teaching individuals about scripture.

Really, the official official, historical, formal, confessional, verbatim definition of sola scriptura offered to us in post #11 is limited to an unnamed group of churchmen and then only for norming dogma. All this other stuff that comes up in the guise of sola scriptura isn't really sola scriptura. Or, so I'm told.

So, how about it? Surely Reformed Baptists have defined this iconic concept/principle/practice/rule/teaching/doctrine beyond seventeen words.

Finally, I hate to burst burst your bubble, but sola scriptura hasn't disproved, overturned or altered any dogma of the Catholic Church one tittle. Besides, that's not sola scriptura. Sola scriptura is for norming dogma 'among us', whoever 'us' is. I kind of doubt the authors had Reformed Baptists in mind when they penned that.

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Rick Otto said:

Your failure to find what you consider an official source bursted my bubble of thinking you were capable of understanding a definition when found.

But it is nice to know you are comfortable with your private decision on whom to trust in these matters, even if you are deeply confused about who that really is.

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Metal Minister said:

Pretty much what all our RCC friends have fallen back to is an appeal to authority fallacy.

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barryatlake said:

Metal, wrong really wrong. the only church Jesus founded was on His Apostles [ Eph 2: 19-20, The apostles were the first leaders and since the 1ST Century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic clergy faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Oral Tradition [ 2 Tim. 2:2 ]

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MoreCoffee said:

The list for saint peter's see is long but you did ask.
The Lord Jesus Christ chose saint Peter the apostle to be the rock on which the church was to be built so the first 'pope' was

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barryatlake said:

Listen Metal, I'm done playing silly games with you, why don't you settle the matter and show me from the Bible what you think those Bible verses in my last post and these new verses Luke 10:16 , Matt.28:19- 20. Jesus' Church is called Catholic because it is Universal [ "universal " in Greek ] He only told His Apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations ". Now ,it's your turn to prove your particular protestant church from the Bible

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MoreCoffee said:

I replied to precisely the portion of your post which I reproduced.

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MoreCoffee said:

I did not reproduce your question about the Blessed Virgin Mary.

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MoreCoffee said:

This reply is my last time wasting on behalf of the rabbit trail you're creating. It is off topic to this thread. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss it.

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