Discussion Defending self and others.

[Svt4Him]

Wonder if he ever killed anything else before this. Bet David would stand no chance against, say... a bear? Or say...a lion? Nope, wouldn't stand a chance against those either.

God helped him with his weapon of choice. If he took a piece of paper, don't know if that would have killed him, or a bear, or a lion, but you're free to believe it would have.

Maybe he could have used a butterfly? But he didn't, still used a proven weapon of choice and God still blessed him. But imagine if he did, what would we think when we heard the term butterfly effect?

You're acting like it was a foregone conclusion that David slinging a stone at Goliath would ensure his victory. The Bible says differently.

Goliath laughed at David approaching him with a sling and a stone. The king and his brothers thought David was nuts for approaching Goliath with just a sling and a stone. Why do you suppose that was? Maybe because, to borrow a saying from my pastor, anyone with one eye and half sense knows that a young boy with just a sling and a stone stands no chance in the natural against a giant. But God was with him.

That really is the point of this story. Even though David stood no chance against Goliath in his own strength and power, as he went "...in the name of the Lord Almighty..." he was able to defeat the giant. David defeated the giant not because of his own ability or strength, but because God was with him.

 

[Svt4Him]

David said differently too:

Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God.

A lion and a bear are pretty hard to kill. You know a .22 would bounce off a bear's head and simply make him mad, so the rock has to be a bit better than a .22, which would stop any person?

If you had a .22 and a bear was approaching, you shoot in the air hoping the sound scares it, you never shoot the bear, it does nothing.

You're acting like it was a foregone conclusion that David slinging a stone at Goliath would ensure his victory. The Bible says differently.

Goliath laughed at David approaching him with a sling and a stone. The king and his brothers thought David was nuts for approaching Goliath with just a sling and a stone. Why do you suppose that was? Maybe because, to borrow a saying from my pastor, anyone with one eye and half sense knows that a young boy with just a sling and a stone stands no chance in the natural against a giant. But God was with him.

That really is the point of this story. Even though David stood no chance against Goliath in his own strength and power, as he went "...in the name of the Lord Almighty..." he was able to defeat the giant. David defeated the giant not because of his own ability or strength, but because God was with him.

 

[Svt4Him]

Now these are the nations that the LORD left, to test Israel by them, that is, all in Israel who had not experienced all the wars in Canaan. 2 It was only in order that the generations of the people of Israel might know war, to teach war to those who had not known it before.

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Jdg 3:1–2.

Weird, God used war to teach people to fight, and to test them. Nope, love is all you need.

See, in Judges they still needed God, lost all the time when they disobeyed Him, but they also needed to train for war. How exactly buying a gun is any different is beyond me. You train to protect yourself and your family as God has commanded, and trust God with the rest. And when some come back and say you have to pray before you think about buying a gun, I'll say the same prayer David did, and follow a guy after God's own heart.

 

[probinson]

[sarcasm]

All these years, I thought the story of David and Goliath was about God helping David to defeat the giant. Now I come to find out that I've been wrong the whole time and it was really about highly trained, special forces operative David coming and skillfully bailing out an entire army who could not defeat a giant with his astounding mastery of the sling. The moral of the story has been presented wrong as well. It's not about God helping you defeat the giant where you lack the ability in the natural. It's about you honing your skills and taking on the giant all by yourself. I mean, who needs God, really? Just practice and master things on your own and you can win the battle in your own strength.

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[Svt4Him]

Did you actually read about Israel training for war as a test from God? All these years, did you hear about how God delivered Israel as well? Does that negate the skill they acquired through their training or the weapons they trained with? Oh well, just remember, butterfly effect.

I am curious though, which part of my story is false, or is your sarcasm directed at the story as written in the Bible?

As for the entire army who could not defeat a giant, the battle was not between an entire army and a giant, so your allusion to that is false, it was between two people, one a giant and another from Israel who would fight him. Yes, everyone was a chicken, so I think what you're really trying to say is not one single person was willing to stand up to a giant. The funny thing, we see that even today. Doesn't negate any of the story though, one person took his weapon and God blessed him like He did Israel, and the lady who was protecting her family and the concealed holder who protected a group in a store, and the father who had a gun when his daughter was being raped and stopped it. [sarcasm] Oh right, when one gets a gun, God can't work any more through them because the gun is much more powerful than God. [/sarcasm].

[sarcasm]

All these years, I thought the story of David and Goliath was about God helping David to defeat the giant. Now I come to find out that I've been wrong the whole time and it was really about highly trained, special forces operative David coming and skillfully bailing out an entire army who could not defeat a giant with his astounding mastery of the sling. The moral of the story has been presented wrong as well. It's not about God helping you defeat the giant where you lack the ability in the natural. It's about you honing your skills and taking on the giant all by yourself. I mean, who needs God, really? Just practice and master things on your own and you can win the battle in your own strength.

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[Frogster]

David said differently too:

Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God.

A lion and a bear are pretty hard to kill. You know a .22 would bounce off a bear's head and simply make him mad, so the rock has to be a bit better than a .22, which would stop any person?

If you had a .22 and a bear was approaching, you shoot in the air hoping the sound scares it, you never shoot the bear, it does nothing.

yep, a 22 is not much, I have shot rabbits, only to see them run away with lots of energy, but David's rock, opened up a skull, of a giant and his skull was thicker than most!

 

[Frogster]

Did you actually read about Israel training for war as a test from God? All these years, did you hear about how God delivered Israel as well? Does that negate the skill they acquired through their training or the weapons they trained with? Oh well, just remember, butterfly effect.

Yep again!

 

[de1929]

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People who posted, but never said whether they own a weapon or not.
de1929
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I don't have weapon because in malaysia it is prohibited. But if i relocated to USA, yes i will buy a weapon.

weapon is just like a car. whether i use my car for illegal racing or driving to work is another matter.

 

[Heardthebells]

first i would trust God that he would not let this scenario happen .

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Good luck with that one.

 

[Heardthebells]

I will find every means a I can to defend myself and my kids.

 

[Heardthebells]

Because the human race is a pile of crap.

 

[Heardthebells]

I don't have weapon because in malaysia it is prohibited. But if i relocated to USA, yes i will buy a weapon.

weapon is just like a car. whether i use my car for illegal racing or driving to work is another matter.

Definitely, purchase a weapon if you move to this country. And my father served in the military for this country for what reasons I don't know. He had plenty of weapons though.

I would stay in Malaysia in case you have not been watching American news, this country is not great anymore.

 

[Alithis]

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Good luck with that one.

i find it of interest that yours , being ..what? an atheist viewpoint ?.... is eerily similar to some other views expressed here .

thankfully faith does not require luck

 

[Alithis]

[sarcasm]

All these years, I thought the story of David and Goliath was about God helping David to defeat the giant. Now I come to find out that I've been wrong the whole time and it was really about highly trained, special forces operative David coming and skillfully bailing out an entire army who could not defeat a giant with his astounding mastery of the sling. The moral of the story has been presented wrong as well. It's not about God helping you defeat the giant where you lack the ability in the natural. It's about you honing your skills and taking on the giant all by yourself. I mean, who needs God, really? Just practice and master things on your own and you can win the battle in your own strength.

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lol i hadly think you needed to ass the word "sarcasm" to that post

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

David had weapons, and if they had guns back then he would have used em..

New American Standard Bible
The women sang as they played, and said, "Saul has slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands."

where it says David slew thousands, was not about the Goliath story, he cut people up with a weapon, commonly known as a sword! If he had an AR, he would have used it, and AR is an assault rifle!

well, he probably slew more than Rambo.

Point being he had a weapon, used em, and would have loved an AR!

still, david used a weapon, and killed alot!

besides, lets not forger he slew thousands with a sword.

besides, you are drifting, the point is, he used a weapon, a tangible item, and he used a sword, and he killed thousands. The old expression, praise the Lord, and pass the ammo works!

I thought this thread is about defending others, and self, with a weapon, not a thread about David's reasons, or whatever.

Did David use weapons?

All hail King David! All hail King David!

 

[Frogster]

All hail King David! All hail King David!

hahaha I like how you did this post, good one, and yeah, hail David!

 

[Frogster]

first i would trust God that he would not let this scenario happen.

But those scenarios do happen all the time, to the people of faith.

 

[Alithis]

But those scenarios do happen all the time, to the people of faith.

yes .. and David displayed to us that we must trust in him regardless ..for though he had power a number of times to kill saul who was tryng to murder him (it would have been justifiable ) he did not, but trusted in the Lord to bring about HIS will in HIS time .
And job also who said .. though he slay me ,yet will i praise Him "

there is no course of action that can trump FAith in God .

 

[Alithis]

Should Christians get insurance on their homes, and cars, etc, or just trust that fires, theft, and accidents, are not scenarios that will happen?

i will treat it as a rhetorical question and ask another ..

Should christians trust in the lord with All their heart and lean not on their own understanding, should they acknowledge the lord in all their ways that he may direct their paths ?

 

[Frogster]

i will treat it as a rhetorical question and ask another ..

Should christians trust in the lord with All their heart and lean not on their own understanding, should they acknowledge the lord in all their ways that he may direct their paths ?

Why is it rhetorical? It is not. Should Christians trust that God will not allow "scenarios" to come, called theft, fire, accidents, bad weather, and not insure their cars or homes?

You say the scenarios of not needing a gun can apply, so why insure the car or home against devastating scenarios that come?