Deeply hidden, yet explicitly hidden messages that span the entire Bible

[Gregory Thompson]

And, if you cross-reference the original Hebrew text and are convinced that what I have mentioned cannot be a coincidence, it should not be difficult to understand that this hidden message is a directive from God.

It is hard for me to understand how anyone could think that this could be something of no value when as a created being one could have the opportunity to uncover the Word of God for oneself.

It comes off as tangential logic, which is why I asked for the point, the application in reality. Even the most esoteric understanding can be applied some way. However, if an application cannot be derived from the understanding, then it is useless.

So what is the hidden message? Were you hoping for confirmation by being evasive? If only you can see the hidden message, then it is God's message to you, but not anyone else.

God used to speak to me through my typos, so this too (an individual message that applies only to you) is entirely possible.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I am quite confused by such a view. I think it is obvious that what matters most is never necessarily the message that will ultimately be pointed to, but rather the fact that if it is thoroughly proven that the Bible had to be written across the ages of the Old and New Testaments to hide the message in a massive undertaking, it is clearly beyond human capabilities.

This would mean that there is a chance that all current unbelievers would begin to recognize the existence of God as well.

According to the text, people believe because God.

Revealing some novel theology might get the philosopher crowd to gather for a bit just to see how it plays out .. but lasting fruit and growth comes when people come because God draws them personally.

 

[DamianWarS]

For the answer to your question, I do not know yet. But by what is mentioned inside the post, it should have been enough to determine that the Bible does have extremely complex ways of hiding information inside.

Generally speaking, "hiding information" means two things.

1. it is intended to be interpreted, otherwise there would be no need to include it
2. it is not intended to be easily interpreted

I don't think it is necessarily up to me alone to interpret what information will eventually lead to. What I want to do is just to tell other about the real existence of this kind of situation and the beginning direction of interpretation.

the bible has a lot of parallels in it and can have deep meaning but they have order to them and purpose. it's this order and purpose in these passages that carry the weight. What you have are verses that you've found with a connection but with no rational meaning or order to the connection so they stand as irrational until they can be given rational purpose and order. It seems more of a strongs word match right now than anything else. You would have to look at the passages in question and show how they point to something greater using the connections you've found, but without that, they don't tell us much at all.

 

[XR.]

There are countless people going back hundreds of years who have said they've found secret messages in the Bible. There are many books about secret Bible messages and codes for sale.

I think the right way to do it should be to look at the facts and logic and leave alone what those in the past did. Does it matter to me at all what they have did before?

As for facts and logic, I should have made that very clear inside the post. Where do you think it doesn't fit the facts, or where it doesn't fit the logic?

 

[XR.]

It comes off as tangential logic, which is why I asked for the point, the application in reality. Even the most esoteric understanding can be applied some way. However, if an application cannot be derived from the understanding, then it is useless.

So what is the hidden message? Were you hoping for confirmation by being evasive? If only you can see the hidden message, then it is God's message to you, but not anyone else.

God used to speak to me through my typos, so this too (an individual message that applies only to you) is entirely possible.

I have been devoting most of my energy to exploring this for about two months now, during which time I have continually recognized the enormity of the project. This is partly due to the fear that the amount of hidden information is quite large, and partly due to the inaccuracy of Bible translations. The latter in particular is not something that can be perfectly solved by my personal ability.

 

[ozso]

I think the right way to do it should be to look at the facts and logic and leave alone what those in the past did. Does it matter to me at all what they have did before?

As for facts and logic, I should have made that very clear inside the post. Where do you think it doesn't fit the facts, or where it doesn't fit the logic?

What facts?

 

[XR.]

the bible has a lot of parallels in it and can have deep meaning but they have order to them and purpose. it's this order and purpose in these passages that carry the weight. What you have are verses that you've found with a connection but with no rational meaning or order to the connection so they stand as irrational until they can be given rational purpose and order. It seems more of a strongs word match right now than anything else. You would have to look at the passages in question and show how they point to something greater using the connections you've found, but without that, they don't tell us much at all.

I am really a bit tired of replying to all your guys strange doubts.

What was mentioned at the beginning is that as I know so far this is an extremely large project that will probably have to be a massive collaboration to accomplish. Even assuming that this task was purposely given to me by God, I don't think it is my job to interpret all the information, just as the Bible was not written by one person.

What I have done is to prove, through the connections I have mentioned, that there is indeed a hidden message in the Bible. I have researched quite a bit, but have only written about it so far because the ones I have written about now are the easiest for others to understand that I have found recently, without too much need for intellectual background.

However there is a part of me that can't even agree with this, and seems to be a bit too lacking in knowledge of either probability or logic.

What I could also do is to further openly discuss the many other usual ways of following clues in the Bible other than those already mentioned.

But everything presupposes that others can look at the facts, the objective facts, and not rely on their own subjective feelings to believe what they wish to believe. Otherwise, even if I interpreted the final message directly, I am afraid that many people would just dismiss me as gibberish.

If you haven't noticed yet, I might remind one thing: for the information that needs to be hidden, it is usually in serious contradiction with the information conveyed on the surface, otherwise there is no need to hide it at all.

The ultimate conclusion is likely not what most Christians want to see, so I am looking for people who can make it their mission to find the truth about the world, rather than those who follow their own selfish desires to selectively believe what they want.

 

[ozso]

I am really a bit tired of replying to all your guys strange doubts.

What was mentioned at the beginning is that as I know so far this is an extremely large project that will probably have to be a massive collaboration to accomplish. Even assuming that this task was purposely given to me by God, I don't think it is my job to interpret all the information, just as the Bible was not written by one person.

What I have done is to prove, through the connections I have mentioned, that there is indeed a hidden message in the Bible. I have researched quite a bit, but have only written about it so far because the ones I have written about now are the easiest for others to understand that I have found recently, without too much need for intellectual background.

However there is a part of me that can't even agree with this, and seems to be a bit too lacking in knowledge of either probability or logic.

What I could also do is to further openly discuss the many other usual ways of following clues in the Bible other than those already mentioned.

But everything presupposes that others can look at the facts, the objective facts, and not rely on their own subjective feelings to believe what they wish to believe. Otherwise, even if I interpreted the final message directly, I am afraid that many people would just dismiss me as gibberish.

If you haven't noticed yet, I might remind one thing: for the information that needs to be hidden, it is usually in serious contradiction with the information conveyed on the surface, otherwise there is no need to hide it at all.

The ultimate conclusion is likely not what most Christians want to see, so I am looking for people who can make it their mission to find the truth about the world, rather than those who follow their own selfish desires to selectively believe what they want.

This is extremely vague and esoteric. And according to you it is a very complex project in its beginning stages. What is it you are looking for from us here on CF? What are we to say about a very complicated project you just started?

 

[XR.]

What facts?

So tired, these are all I mentioned at the beginning of all.

In Psalm 19 and Joel 2, there are two phrases containing three Hebrew words each that appear in both chapters. But these two phrases are very rare, not common metaphorical forms, and they occur in the entire Bible basically only in those two chapters.

So, even if we disregard the probability of the first phrase occurring in Joel 2, and just calculate the natural probability of the second phrase occurring again when the first phrase has already occurred, the probability is already less than 1%, which is a very basic probability problem.

So obviously this can never be a coincidence, unless all the things I learned in primary and secondary school were in vain.

And this is different from the chapter correspondence that can be seen at a glance in the book of Revelation and other volumes, it is easy to find that the information hidden in Joel 2 is not intended to be easily discovered. Therefore, we can basically rule out the possibility that the author was trying to just make a mystery.

 

[XR.]

This is extremely vague and esoteric. And according to you it is a very complex project in its beginning stages. What is it you are looking for from us here on CF? What are we to say about a very complicated project you just started?

I didn't expect this idea at all. If you think I am wrong and that I have failed to learn even the most basic probability problems, which makes what I found simply a useless coincidence, then I will be upset, but that is all.

On the question of whether I am right, I can barely be patient enough to answer it, even though I am not so happy to discuss it.

But assuming that once you have also established that this is indeed a message hidden within the Bible, how can you possibly consider this to be a project that I have just begun to work on?

This is a project that our Father has left for us to do.

 

[ozso]

So tired, these are all I mentioned at the beginning of all.

In Psalm 19 and Joel 2, there are two phrases containing three Hebrew words each that appear in both chapters. But these two phrases are very rare, not common metaphorical forms, and they occur in the entire Bible basically only in those two chapters.

So, even if we disregard the probability of the first phrase occurring in Joel 2, and just calculate the natural probability of the second phrase occurring again when the first phrase has already occurred, the probability is already less than 1%, which is a very basic probability problem.

So obviously this can never be a coincidence, unless all the things I learned in primary and secondary school were in vain.

And this is different from the chapter correspondence that can be seen at a glance in the book of Revelation and other volumes, it is easy to find that the information hidden in Joel 2 is not intended to be easily discovered. Therefore, we can basically rule out the possibility that the author was trying to just make a mystery.

What is your point? You have provided a scenario that has no conclusion that I can see.

 

[ozso]

I didn't expect this idea at all. If you think I am wrong and that I have failed to learn even the most basic probability problems, which makes what I found simply a useless coincidence, then I will be upset, but that is all.

On the question of whether I am right, I can barely be patient enough to answer it, even though I am not so happy to discuss it.

But assuming that once you have also established that this is indeed a message hidden within the Bible, how can you possibly consider this to be a project that I have just begun to work on?

This is a project that our Father has left for us to do.

It's a project that's been done many times already.

About once a week we get a new member who believes that they have been given a special mission from God to solve some mystery no one else has ever solved before. Even though there are already dozens of available books written about it.

 

[XR.]

It's a project that's been done many times already.

About once a week we get a new member who believes that they have been given a special mission from God to solve some mystery no one else has ever solved before. Even though there are already dozens of available books written about it.

What does it matter to me what they have done?
Why should I be responsible for their mistakes?

I'm not asking you to come to believe my subjective opinion, just to take a good look at the facts and logic of what I've mentioned. If there is anything that I have not yet made clear, then I can certainly add it in detail.

If the facts are right and the logic is right, then it is the truth, no matter how ridiculous it seems.

 

[ozso]

What does it matter to me what they have done?
Why should I be responsible for their mistakes?

I'm not asking you to come to believe my subjective opinion, just to take a good look at the facts and logic of what I've mentioned. If there is anything that I have not yet made clear, then I can certainly add it in detail.

If the facts are right and the logic is right, then it is the truth, no matter how ridiculous it seems.

I'm afraid I can't help you.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I have been devoting most of my energy to exploring this for about two months now, during which time I have continually recognized the enormity of the project. This is partly due to the fear that the amount of hidden information is quite large, and partly due to the inaccuracy of Bible translations. The latter in particular is not something that can be perfectly solved by my personal ability.

If it's a consistency in mistranslation, it's probably a cultural code, this might be useful for evangelism in the long term.

the only way I can imagine to solve something like this is to personally learn the original languages the bibles are translated from. Then with the new knowledge set, re-examine what you have observed once again.

Be sure to keep notes so you can learn from your compounded observation over time.

 

[DamianWarS]

I am really a bit tired of replying to all your guys strange doubts.

What was mentioned at the beginning is that as I know so far this is an extremely large project that will probably have to be a massive collaboration to accomplish. Even assuming that this task was purposely given to me by God, I don't think it is my job to interpret all the information, just as the Bible was not written by one person.

What I have done is to prove, through the connections I have mentioned, that there is indeed a hidden message in the Bible. I have researched quite a bit, but have only written about it so far because the ones I have written about now are the easiest for others to understand that I have found recently, without too much need for intellectual background.

However there is a part of me that can't even agree with this, and seems to be a bit too lacking in knowledge of either probability or logic.

What I could also do is to further openly discuss the many other usual ways of following clues in the Bible other than those already mentioned.

But everything presupposes that others can look at the facts, the objective facts, and not rely on their own subjective feelings to believe what they wish to believe. Otherwise, even if I interpreted the final message directly, I am afraid that many people would just dismiss me as gibberish.

If you haven't noticed yet, I might remind one thing: for the information that needs to be hidden, it is usually in serious contradiction with the information conveyed on the surface, otherwise there is no need to hide it at all.

The ultimate conclusion is likely not what most Christians want to see, so I am looking for people who can make it their mission to find the truth about the world, rather than those who follow their own selfish desires to selectively believe what they want.

I enjoy searching for deeper meanings throughout the bible but I'm confused with your methodology, you seem to have found some connections but have no message or know where it's pointing you.

I have been studying Gen 1 creation account for quite some time. What I have discovered is day 1 parallels day 4, day 2 parallels day 5, and day 3 parallels day 6. with the first three days God prepares, organizes, and separates, with the last three days he fills up what he prepared, for example, on day 3 land is separated from the waters, and day 6 land animals are created, the two parallel each other. This follows a chiastic pattern of 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 but it doesn't stop there. day 7 can be paralleled with before day 1 (day 0?) that existed in chaos. Day 7 is everything day 0 is not, it is light, completion, order and rest whereas day 0 is darkness, unformed, disorder, and a general unrest. so the chiastic pattern expands and takes a more nested structure to A- 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 -A. But it still goes deeper, the intro and ending also parallel each other like bookends to the account so the chiastic pattern gets larger, A- B- 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 -A -B.

As I studied the text more I could see that the chaos before the light and the arrival of the light that starts a process ending in rest can be viewed as a salvation metaphor of Christ coming into the darkness, but not just a salvation metaphor but also points to the coming of Christ himself to bring light into darkness. so the text is prophetic to Christ's coming but it is also prophetic to other things like the restoration of all things.

When I look at it as a salvation metaphor I see the spirit hovering first (the spirit calls us), then light comes (Christ), then the waters are separated (baptism) then land emerges out of the water (new creation in Christ). Now there is the days of filling and I know it has meaning but I'm not quite sure what it is. the creation of celestial objects could be a references to the gifts of the HS or since the sun was created after the light then the sun is not the source but it is a body that holds the light and spreads it, this could be parralleled with the believer's tasked to spread the light inside of them but Christ is the source of the light. but I'm not quite sure, then day 5 has the water animals and birds and day 6 has man. somehow this points ahead and I'm sure, it progresses into multiplication and fruitfulness but also is connected to the first 3 days but I haven't figured it all out so there is some mystery in the text still.

But... I know where it's going and I know what agrees with the text and what doesn't. I have a framework of meaning to work with and the meaning that comes from it will agree with the framework and agrees with the bible at large. You're not there, I don't see a framework you're working with so there is nothing to keep it accountable or know which direction it is going to go. You have a sense of it being serious which is dangerous, you don't know what the meaning is you're now looking for something controversial without any structure. anything could fit if you force it and that seems to be where you're at. are you letting the text speak to you or is it just a mouthpiece for something else? are you trying to turn it into something it's not?

 

[XR.]

I enjoy searching for deeper meanings throughout the bible but I'm confused with your methodology, you seem to have found some connections but have no message or know where it's pointing you.


I have been studying Gen 1 creation account for quite some time. What I have discovered is day 1 parallels day 4, day 2 parallels day 5, and day 3 parallels day 6. with the first three days God prepares, organizes, and separates, with the last three days he fills up what he prepared, for example, on day 3 land is separated from the waters, and day 6 land animals are created, the two parallel each other. This follows a chiastic pattern of 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 but it doesn't stop there. day 7 can be paralleled with before day 1 (day 0?) that existed in chaos. Day 7 is everything day 0 is not, it is light, completion, order and rest whereas day 0 is darkness, unformed, disorder, and a general unrest. so the chiastic pattern expands and takes a more nested structure to A- 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 -A. But it still goes deeper, the intro and ending also parallel each other like bookends to the account so the chiastic pattern gets larger, A- B- 1- 2- 3- -1 -2 -3 -A -B.


As I studied the text more I could see that the chaos before the light and the arrival of the light that starts a process ending in rest can be viewed as a salvation metaphor of Christ coming into the darkness, but not just a salvation metaphor but also points to the coming of Christ himself to bring light into darkness. so the text is prophetic to Christ's coming but it is also prophetic to other things like the restoration of all things.


When I look at it as a salvation metaphor I see the spirit hovering first (the spirit calls us), then light comes (Christ), then the waters are separated (baptism) then land emerges out of the water (new creation in Christ). Now there is the days of filling and I know it has meaning but I'm not quite sure what it is. the creation of celestial objects could be a references to the gifts of the HS or since the sun was created after the light then the sun is not the source but it is a body that holds the light and spreads it, this could be parralleled with the believer's tasked to spread the light inside of them but Christ is the source of the light. but I'm not quite sure, then day 5 has the water animals and birds and day 6 has man. somehow this points ahead and I'm sure, it progresses into multiplication and fruitfulness but also is connected to the first 3 days but I haven't figured it all out so there is some mystery in the text still.


But... I know where it's going and I know what agrees with the text and what doesn't. I have a framework of meaning to work with and the meaning that comes from it will agree with the framework and agrees with the bible at large. You're not there, I don't see a framework you're working with so there is nothing to keep it accountable or know which direction it is going to go. You have a sense of it being serious which is dangerous, you don't know what the meaning is you're now looking for something controversial without any structure. anything could fit if you force it and that seems to be where you're at. are you letting the text speak to you or is it just a mouthpiece for something else? are you trying to turn it into something it's not?

As I said at the beginning, the part that has been written is only a very small part of my exploration, but the connection between Psalm 19 and Joel 2 has become clear enough that there is no dispute in theory, so Write it out first.


Even so, it is very disappointing to find that most of the people who reply to the forum can turn a blind eye to such obvious basic probability problems. What they want may not be the truth at all, so I say more will not help.


Throughout the process of exploration, the Bible provides many ways to verify that we are following the correct textual cascading. For example, in the clue tree corresponding to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6, for each chapter connected by words rather than short sentences, there will be a sentence that corresponds to a sentence in the Lord's Prayer.


At least some of the passages in the concatenation, such as Malachi 3 and 4, provide further verification methods for subsequent concatenations. It will tell us that there must be some specific words near the matched paragraph (otherwise, there is no correct chapter), and also tell us what phrase we see, which means the end of the branch clue tree.


The above are all clear conclusions that have been found. These methods have ensured that each exploration step in a part of the link has at least three verification methods:


1. There will be special keyword matching between the previous and previous chapters

2. A match with a sentence in the beginning chapter of the clue tree

3. It matches the fixed keyword for verification provided by a chapter in the clue tree, and runs through the entire branch clue tree.


In addition, there are some suspected verification methods that I am still not sure about. It can be said that although the information used for verification is hidden in the Bible very obscurely, it is certain that the verification information itself serves for those who are exploring to be 100% sure that their exploration route is correct.

 

[DamianWarS]

As I said at the beginning, the part that has been written is only a very small part of my exploration, but the connection between Psalm 19 and Joel 2 has become clear enough that there is no dispute in theory, so Write it out first.


Even so, it is very disappointing to find that most of the people who reply to the forum can turn a blind eye to such obvious basic probability problems. What they want may not be the truth at all, so I say more will not help.


Throughout the process of exploration, the Bible provides many ways to verify that we are following the correct textual cascading. For example, in the clue tree corresponding to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew 6, for each chapter connected by words rather than short sentences, there will be a sentence that corresponds to a sentence in the Lord's Prayer.


At least some of the passages in the concatenation, such as Malachi 3 and 4, provide further verification methods for subsequent concatenations. It will tell us that there must be some specific words near the matched paragraph (otherwise, there is no correct chapter), and also tell us what phrase we see, which means the end of the branch clue tree.


The above are all clear conclusions that have been found. These methods have ensured that each exploration step in a part of the link has at least three verification methods:


1. There will be special keyword matching between the previous and previous chapters

2. A match with a sentence in the beginning chapter of the clue tree

3. It matches the fixed keyword for verification provided by a chapter in the clue tree, and runs through the entire branch clue tree.


In addition, there are some suspected verification methods that I am still not sure about. It can be said that although the information used for verification is hidden in the Bible very obscurely, it is certain that the verification information itself serves for those who are exploring to be 100% sure that their exploration route is correct.

I'm not denying you may have something but it is too little and too early. Without a purpose or meaning behind the connection its a disembodied code with no real goal. You need to work on a framework behind these connection to understand what it is it's saying and where it is pointing to, because right now it's not saying or pointing to anything. It's like you dug a hole and hit something, now you're trying to convince everyone how important that something is. Well dig it around it first and reveal what it is then tell everyone what you found.

 

[Jake Arsenal]

中文版本在帖子下方 (the Chinese version is below)

Sorry my English is terrible, the English version is mostly translated by machine and there may be inaccuracies. But I think this could be a very important post. From the progress so far, it looks like God should have put some hidden information in the Bible left for people to discover - by being extremely subtle yet clear enough that there is no need for doubt:
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抱歉我的英语很糟糕，英文版本的内容主要是通过机器翻译的，可能有不确切的情况出现。但我认为这可能是非常重要的一个帖子。从目前的进展看起来， 神应该是在圣经里面放了一些隐藏信息留待人们来发现——通过极为隐蔽而却又明确到无需疑惑的方式：
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I agree that there are many subtle phrases throughout the OT and NT that are used to bring to mind a concept laid out in an earlier Scripture. This was especially useful before the books of scripture were combined and numbered for reference. Sometimes these phrases get lost in the greek translations of the NT, but I think most people who study the Scripture are aware of them.

Have I misunderstood the intent of your post? What have bible scholars missed?

All of these phrases are alluding to the words(Law of God) highlighting the Word(Jesus Christ) being both Bridegroom and Strong man and that the study of His words(Law of God) and knowledge of the Word(Jesus Christ) opens a person's eyes to the LIGHT OF THE WORLD(JESUS) and provides wisdom to the simple and humble.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Question1: Is it possible that the information described inside the post is just a coincidence?

Question2: Did those scholars find the information described inside the post?

If both answers are "no", then no matter how outrageous it seems, it means they haven’t found these.

Does it mean that after actually looking at the description inside the picture, it still feels like a coincidence?

There are countless scientists in the world, yet they clearly have missed a lot in their knowledge of the world. What makes us think that a group of theological researchers can have complete insight into the wisdom of God?

God doesn't hide what He wants to say. He says it.

-CryptoLutheran