Deeds not words

[Quackduck]

I have read the Bible from cover to cover many times in my 69 years on this planet. I believe the book to be a very human production with no input from any god.

 

[thecolorsblend]

I have read the Bible from cover to cover many times

Why do non-believers say stuff like this? The Bible isn't a New York Times bestseller with a linear narrative which begins on the first page and concludes on the final page. For that reason, reading the Bible cover to cover might be an interesting exercise but doing so hardly suggests an understanding of the content of Sacred Scripture. Reading the Bible from start to finish isn't really indicative of anything.

 

[Quackduck]

The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, some crazier than others!

 

[thecolorsblend]

The Bible can be interpreted in many different ways, some crazier than others!

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[Quackduck]

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YAWN!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have great respect for those who do good practical things to help others as they go through life, whether they are religious or not. I have no respect for those who sound off about their philosophy, religious or otherwise, but do nothing worthwhile. I am the first to admit I am far from perfect, but I do my best to help where I see a need.

If so, or maybe anyway, you may like Romans 2.

Whoever DOES what TORAH says (what is right), is justified.
Whoever DOES NOT what TORAH says, is not justified.

It also follows in the same chapter WHY they are justified.

 

[Quackduck]

If so, or maybe anyway, you may like Romans 2.

Whoever DOES what TORAH says (what is right), is justified.
Whoever DOES NOT what TORAH says, is not justified.

It also follows in the same chapter WHY they are justified.

Much of the Bible should be taken with a huge container of salt, imo.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Just so it is taken. Believed to eternal life. No one else has the words that lead to eternal life.

 

[Quackduck]

Just so it is taken. Believed to eternal life. No one else has the words that lead to eternal life.

I have no wish to have eternal life, a ghastly idea especially if the Biblical god character is in residence.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have no wish to have eternal life, a ghastly idea especially if the Biblical god character is in residence.

The alternative is worse.

The perspective of the Biblical god character you have is greatly in error, as no one cares for you as much as He, and no one can help you except Him.

Likewise, eternal life is a life with not even one worry nor pain nor suffering nor shame as you have experienced.

Eternal life, the Kingdom of God, IS Peace and Joy unimaginable to people, and IS in perfect Righteousness with no iniquity - no one to harm you, no one to shame you nor mock you. No prejudice, no self-deprecating thoughts or feelings at all.

 

[Quackduck]

The alternative is worse.

The perspective of the Biblical god character you have is greatly in error, as no one cares for you as much as He, and no one can help you except Him.

Likewise, eternal life is a life with not even one worry nor pain nor suffering nor shame as you have experienced.

Eternal life, the Kingdom of God, IS Peace and Joy unimaginable to people, and IS in perfect Righteousness with no iniquity - no one to harm you, no one to shame you nor mock you. No prejudice, no self-deprecating thoughts or feelings at all.

That is your belief not a fact.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That is your belief not a fact.

As I believe the facts both seen and heard from the Father in heaven by the Apostles and the disciples abiding in Jesus,
it is both first fact, and then my belief.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The alternative is worse.

The perspective of the Biblical god character you have is greatly in error, as no one cares for you as much as He, and no one can help you except Him.

Likewise, eternal life is a life with not even one worry nor pain nor suffering nor shame as you have experienced.

Eternal life, the Kingdom of God, IS Peace and Joy unimaginable to people, and IS in perfect Righteousness with no iniquity - no one to harm you, no one to shame you nor mock you. No prejudice, no self-deprecating thoughts or feelings at all.

 

[Quackduck]

As I believe the facts both seen and heard from the Father in heaven by the Apostles and the disciples abiding in Jesus,
it is both first fact, and then my belief.

That that is NOT a fact as it cannot be verified. You are entitled to believe it to be true, just as I am entitled to be very sceptical as much of what is attributed to Jesus has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That that is NOT a fact as it cannot be verified.

It HAS been VERIFIED by many believers, and for many believers.

 

[Quackduck]

It HAS been VERIFIED by many believers, and for many believers.

No it hasn't, belief and verification are two very different things. People of other religions believe their faiths to be factual and true, I have no doubt you would dispute that thinking yours is the only true one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No it hasn't, belief and verification are two very different things.

Belief and verification are two different things, yes.

My belief and the belief of true Christians (which are rare on earth)
has been verified many times for us in all that Yahuweh has said.

Not one word has fallen to the ground - it is all true , all that Yahuweh Says.

 

[Quackduck]

Belief and verification are two different things, yes.

My belief and the belief of true Christians (which are rare on earth)
has been verified many times for us in all that Yahuweh has said.

Not one word has fallen to the ground - it is all true , all that Yahuweh Says.

So you keep saying, but you are not in the least bit convincing.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So you keep saying, but you are not in the least bit convincing.

Believers believing and trusting Yahuweh are already trusting by faith, and need no more visible 'evidence' although they see it and have it every day.
Unbelievers destined for destruction don't accept any evidence , thus they stay on the same road to destruction - for their unbelief.

 

[Quackduck]

Believers believing and trusting Yahuweh are already trusting by faith, and need no more visible 'evidence' although they see it and have it every day.
Unbelievers destined for destruction don't accept any evidence , thus they stay on the same road to destruction - for their unbelief.

You are making threats without any evidence to support them, I believe that to be very abusive, especially if vulnerable people are reading this thread.