Debunking Flat Earth

[Lost4words]

It's not the science itself that lies. It's the incorrect conclusions that people claim to be 'science' that are the lies. A perfect example is evolution. Billions of people deceived over multiple generations. Why do billions of evolutionists lie? Because they just simply don't know any better.

Evolution is totally different from things that we can 'actually' prove. Like a spherical earth. That is proven 100% by science, astronomy etc etc etc...

 

[Strathos]

It's ironic how flat earthers accuse others of not questioning what they were taught, but they credulously believe anything said on flat earth videos without actually testing it for themselves.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

BTW, flat earth is the farthest thing from debunked. Not even close.

If you're unwilling to accept actual photographic evidence, and want to dismiss it as doctored and "part of the conspiracy", then it's clear that's the dismissal technique you'd use to dismiss any evidence.

Basically, that's the issue debating conspiracy theorists, any evidence against the conspiracy theory, they twist (in their own minds) into evidence supporting the conspiracy theory by claiming that "it just goes to show how deep this thing goes that they'd be willing to doctor photographs like that"


I'm convinced that there's no mountain of evidence I could ever present to a flat earth advocate that would ever change their mind...why do I think this? Because I have...and they haven't lol.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It's ironic how flat earthers accuse others of not questioning what they were taught, but they credulously believe anything said on flat earth videos without actually testing it for themselves.

Yep, much like anyone from any "alternative theory" community (whether it be medical, science, 9/11, etc...), they'll spend countless hours trying to weave together this elaborate conspiracy theory about why something is a hoax or inside job.

"Well, y'know...this guy who was a mechanic for the cousin of the guy who once delivered pizza to the house of the neighbor of this guy who worked for NASA just so happens to be involved with <XYZ>, so see, it links together, it's an inside job!!!"

Yet, when it comes to their own position, a 7-minute video and an entry in "ConpiracyNewsToday . com" said it..."that's good enough for me!, who wants to trust the lamestream media anyway!!!"

 

[SeventyOne]

Evolution is totally different from things that we can 'actually' prove. Like a spherical earth. That is proven 100% by science, astronomy etc etc etc...

Not as much as you'd been lead to believe. You've been told it's been proven, but it's really more of a 'Santa Claus' story for adults. It's really just the same set of lies we are taught from childhood for both topics.

Look, I'm not here to convince you of anything. Just keep this verse in mind if you ever wonder what flat-earthers are seeing that is so convincing which you are obviously missing.

Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

You've only ever been presented one side of this issue. There is another side.

It's ironic how flat earthers accuse others of not questioning what they were taught, but they credulously believe anything said on flat earth videos without actually testing it for themselves.

It's also ironic how ball-earthers always tell me to stay away from videos, but then expect me to believe government-produced pictures and videos they haven't actually tested for themselves either.

That said, I have actually participated in physical earth curve measurements. Spoiler... there isn't one. Same results as the hundreds of other groups who have documented the same on various online platforms. Testable, observable, and repeatable. That's science after all. It's one of the reasons why I've rejected what I've been told to believe, because I did actually check it out for myself and found it to be false.

I do find hope in the fact there are more people like me every day who are waking up. I think this generation is too deep into the deception to ever fully see through it, but maybe a later one will have the fortitude to clean this mess up and both the ball earth and evolution will just become textbook footnotes tucked away in the 'What were they Thinking?' chapter.

 

[SeventyOne]

If you're unwilling to accept actual photographic evidence, and want to dismiss it as doctored and "part of the conspiracy", then it's clear that's the dismissal technique you'd use to dismiss any evidence.

Basically, that's the issue debating conspiracy theorists, any evidence against the conspiracy theory, they twist (in their own minds) into evidence supporting the conspiracy theory by claiming that "it just goes to show how deep this thing goes that they'd be willing to doctor photographs like that"


I'm convinced that there's no mountain of evidence I could ever present to a flat earth advocate that would ever change their mind...why do I think this? Because I have...and they haven't lol.

Maybe your evidence isn't convincing as you think it is, and you're giving it too much undeserved weight in the matter. Maybe part of the issue is that you are using a source, such as a space agency, that has been demonstrated time after time of going out of their way to lie and deceive. That wouldn't be a very good source for anyone. I don't know about you, but I don't typically place my faith in the words of demonstrable liars.

Maybe you don't realize there are also pictures showing zero curve from the same altitudes presented showing a curve, making them suspect to tampering. Maybe you just don't realize yet that pictures can be manipulated and have been proven as such.

You don't actually have a mountain of evidence, except in your head. Are you familiar with the old story The Emperor's New Clothes? It's kind of like that.

 

[Freodin]

Not as much as you'd been lead to believe. You've been told it's been proven, but it's really more of a 'Santa Claus' story for adults. It's really just the same set of lies we are taught from childhood for both topics.

Look, I'm not here to convince you of anything. Just keep this verse in mind if you ever wonder what flat-earthers are seeing that is so convincing which you are obviously missing.

Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

You've only ever been presented one side of this issue. There is another side.





It's also ironic how ball-earthers always tell me to stay away from videos, but then expect me to believe government-produced pictures and videos they haven't actually tested for themselves either.

That said, I have actually participated in physical earth curve measurements. Spoiler... there isn't one. Same results as the hundreds of other groups who have documented the same on various online platforms. Testable, observable, and repeatable. That's science after all. It's one of the reasons why I've rejected what I've been told to believe, because I did actually check it out for myself and found it to be false.

I do find hope in the fact there are more people like me every day who are waking up. I think this generation is too deep into the deception to ever fully see through it, but maybe a later one will have the fortitude to clean this mess up and both the ball earth and evolution will just become textbook footnotes tucked away in the 'What were they Thinking?' chapter.

If this is all "testable, observable, and repeatable"... why are these "Flat Earth Evidence" videos filled with tons of nonsense, falsehoods, lies? Why do these people again and again demonstrate that they have not the slightest clue about the things that are talking about?

I might accept that you have participated in "physical earth curve measurements". But give me just one reason why I should accept the conclusions of people who often have problems understanding basic maths?

 

[SeventyOne]

If this is all "testable, observable, and repeatable"... why are these "Flat Earth Evidence" videos filled with tons of nonsense, falsehoods, lies? Why do these people again and again demonstrate that they have not the slightest clue about the things that are talking about?

I might accept that you have participated in "physical earth curve measurements". But give me just one reason why I should accept the conclusions of people who often have problems understanding basic maths?

I'm not going to give you any reasons to believe anything, because I'm not sure I can. Likewise, there are no words you can use to ever again convince me the earth is a ball.

If you feel the math is wrong by those you've seen, that's fine. There is work available out there by people with PhD's in Physics and degrees in engineering who demonstrate issues in the global math and put forward their own mathematical proofs for flat earth.

You could also do your own experiments, using your own math and see where you end up. I highly recommend this above anything else, if such a thing is possible for you, because it would be the most convincing either way. I fully support personal examination in this matter. Perhaps the easiest would be to duplicate one you have issues with and apply your corrections.

 

[Freodin]

I'm not going to give you any reasons to believe anything, because I'm not sure I can. Likewise, there are no words you can use to ever again convince me the earth is a ball.

If you feel the math is wrong by those you've seen, that's fine. There is work available out there by people with PhD's in Physics and degrees in engineering who demonstrate issues in the global math and put forward their own mathematical proofs for flat earth.

You could also do your own experiments, using your own math and see where you end up. I highly recommend this above anything else, if such a thing is possible for you, because it would be the most convincing either way. I fully support personal examination in this matter. Perhaps the easiest would be to duplicate one you have issues with and apply your corrections.

Well, if there is valid mathematical evidence for "issues" in the "global math", then it should be no problem for you to provide this... instead of the frauds like Jeranism and Rob Skiba that you told us to look at in the other thread.

You have enough time to post here, and make you big claims. Citing your sources shouldn't be too much work for you... if you were interested in providing evidence for your claims. And it should also be in your own interest to point out the frauds and lunatics that get all the hits on YouTube.

It is not that I "feel" that the maths I have seen are wrong... they ARE wrong. Demonstrable. And these are not "mistakes" or "calculation errors" that these guys make... they show their complete lack of understanding of the basics. Not understanding how spherical geometry works. Not understanding who FLAT geometry works. Not understanding basic calculations of ratios. Not understanding the basics of perspective.

And all this isn't even "experimental" stuff... it is basic fundamental mathematics. If they cannot get that right... how would they be able to draw any correct conclusions from even correct measurements they might have taken?

So, if you have any valid sources, provide them. Don't just say "They are out there. Do your own research."

 

[d taylor]

If you're unwilling to accept actual photographic evidence, and want to dismiss it as doctored and "part of the conspiracy", then it's clear that's the dismissal technique you'd use to dismiss any evidence.

Basically, that's the issue debating conspiracy theorists, any evidence against the conspiracy theory, they twist (in their own minds) into evidence supporting the conspiracy theory by claiming that "it just goes to show how deep this thing goes that they'd be willing to doctor photographs like that"


I'm convinced that there's no mountain of evidence I could ever present to a flat earth advocate that would ever change their mind...why do I think this? Because I have...and they haven't lol.

You want photographic evidence. Ok the ISS is stated to be going around the earth at 250 miles above the earth.

If that is the case why is the photo of the ISS and the Red Bull jump, showing the same height above the earth. The Red Bull jump was at 20 miles high.

 

[Strathos]

Not as much as you'd been lead to believe. You've been told it's been proven, but it's really more of a 'Santa Claus' story for adults. It's really just the same set of lies we are taught from childhood for both topics.

Look, I'm not here to convince you of anything. Just keep this verse in mind if you ever wonder what flat-earthers are seeing that is so convincing which you are obviously missing.

Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

You've only ever been presented one side of this issue. There is another side.





It's also ironic how ball-earthers always tell me to stay away from videos, but then expect me to believe government-produced pictures and videos they haven't actually tested for themselves either.

That said, I have actually participated in physical earth curve measurements. Spoiler... there isn't one. Same results as the hundreds of other groups who have documented the same on various online platforms. Testable, observable, and repeatable. That's science after all. It's one of the reasons why I've rejected what I've been told to believe, because I did actually check it out for myself and found it to be false.

I do find hope in the fact there are more people like me every day who are waking up. I think this generation is too deep into the deception to ever fully see through it, but maybe a later one will have the fortitude to clean this mess up and both the ball earth and evolution will just become textbook footnotes tucked away in the 'What were they Thinking?' chapter.

Flat earthers tell me I can watch a ship dip below the horizon and see it perfectly again by just zooming in. I actually took a pair of binoculars to the beach and observed no such thing. Have you ever tried that?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You want photographic evidence

There's already plenty of imagery out there taken from IIS showing the curvature.
Top 15 Space Station Earth Images of 2015


What is your logic behind claiming that those two photographs are "showing the same distance above the earth"?

In the first picture, you can clearly see more curvature as a result of ISS being further away, and clearly the shot showing the jumper for Stratos is zoomed in quite a bit more, as the jumper isn't the size as the portion/structure of IIS that's showing in the shot. (unless their height is half the width of a football field?)

You thinking that those are the same distance is either an oversight, or a misunderstanding of how various types of camera lenses impact the image.

 

[d taylor]

There's already plenty of imagery out there taken from IIS showing the curvature.
Top 15 Space Station Earth Images of 2015


What is your logic behind claiming that those two photographs are "showing the same distance above the earth"?

In the first picture, you can clearly see more curvature as a result of ISS being further away, and clearly the shot showing the jumper for Stratos is zoomed in quite a bit more, as the jumper isn't the size as the portion/structure of IIS that's showing in the shot. (unless their height is half the width of a football field?)

You thinking that those are the same distance is either an oversight, or a misunderstanding of how various types of camera lenses impact the image.

Guess you can not see difference in lengths or heights. I guess that is why you believe in all these ridiculous numbers given by science for the sun moon stars etc...

20 miles in distance

240 miles in distance

as can be seen the two distances do not even come close in appearing to be the same. Unlike the two photos whose height is either close (give or take a mile or two) or exactly at the same height above the earth.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Guess you can not see difference in lengths or heights. I guess that is why you believe in all these ridiculous numbers given by science for the sun moon stars etc...

20 miles in distance
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240 miles in distance
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as can be seen the two distances do not even come close in appearing to be the same. Unlike the two photos whose height is either close (give or take a mile or two) or exactly at the same height above the earth.

...ummm, you do realize looking at a google map to show the difference in miles in no way supports what you're saying, right?

I understand the difference in mileage. I'm saying that if you think those two images you linked are showing the same distance above the earth, you don't understand how different lens types work and don't understand how perspective change when things are zoomed in.

You took one picture with a 5'10 man, that's zoomed in to the point that it fills the same amount of frame that as a portion of the space station that's the length of half of a football field in the other shot.

If I show you these two pictures:

I've resized to where the flags are the same height... You do understand that Michael Jordan isn't the same height as the tree in the second shot right?

...also, as I mentioned, how different lenses can impact the shot. For instance, do a quick google search and see the difference the results between two pics shot, one using a traditional telephoto, the other using wide angle:

I can't tell if you're being sincere or if you're just here on CF as a prank to mess with people lol.

 

[d taylor]

...ummm, you do realize looking at a google map to show the difference in miles in no way supports what you're saying, right?

I understand the difference in mileage. I'm saying that if you think those two images you linked are showing the same distance above the earth, you don't understand how different lens types work and don't understand how perspective change when things are zoomed in.

You took one picture with a 5'10 man, that's zoomed in to the point that it fills the same amount of frame that as a portion of the space station that's the length of half of a football field in the other shot.

If I show you these two pictures:
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I've resized to where the flags are the same height... You do understand that Michael Jordan isn't the same height as the tree in the second shot right?

...also, as I mentioned, how different lenses can impact the shot. For instance, do a quick google search and see the difference the results between two pics shot, one using a traditional telephoto, the other using wide angle:

I can't tell if you're being sincere or if you're just here on CF as a prank to mess with people lol.

Your example does not provide a proper comparison, if you what to show a comparison. take a photo of the ground from an airplane at 500ft and then at 4 or 5 miles high and show me that there is no large difference between the heights of photo taken at 500ft and at 4 or 5 miles high.

Then you would have a proper comparison

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Your example does not provide a proper comparison, if you what to show a comparison. take a photo of the ground from an airplane at 500ft and then at 4 or 5 miles high and show me that there is no large difference between the heights of photo taken at 500ft and at 4 or 5 miles high.

Then you would have a proper comparison

Sure it does...it shows that based on angles, distance of the two objects relative to each other, and the lens being used, it can produce an outcome in which, one item appears relatively the same size and another looks bigger than what it actually is.

The irony here is that the flat earth assertion is that it's such a deep running conspiracy that NASA is in on it, as are the governments of dozens of other nations...yet, none of them, in all their sinister plotting, thought to stop a lousy energy drink company from going through with a well-documented & recorded event that supposedly disproves them and exposes their charade

 

[Whyayeman]

Lovely! I am for a flat moon, too.
Oh, and I had a flat tyre the other day and they don't put spare wheels into cars these days!

But there is no science in favour of a flat earth or moon. SeventyOne, you are pulling our legs.

 

[Strathos]

Lovely! I am for a flat moon, too.
Oh, and I had a flat tyre the other day and they don't put spare wheels into cars these days!

But there is no science in favour of a flat earth or moon. SeventyOne, you are pulling our legs.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but they honestly believe this stuff.

 

[Whyayeman]

Hmm... It is a strange thing to believe. The spherical nature of Earth has been the collective wisdom since the Ancient Greeks and probably before them. I think some might affect to believe it, as a pose - or a joke. Charitably, let's choose the latter.
I won't trouble too much with the concocted theories meant to persuade people otherwise, especially when such stuff requires us to reject solid evidence as a conspiracy to deceive.
There is a theory 'proving' almost any daft idea. Have you come across the 'Hollow Earth Theory'? That one is a cracker.

 

[Strathos]

Hmm... It is a strange thing to believe. The spherical nature of Earth has been the collective wisdom since the Ancient Greeks and probably before them. I think some might affect to believe it, as a pose - or a joke. Charitably, let's choose the latter.
I won't trouble too much with the concocted theories meant to persuade people otherwise, especially when such stuff requires us to reject solid evidence as a conspiracy to deceive.
There is a theory 'proving' almost any daft idea. Have you come across the 'Hollow Earth Theory'? That one is a cracker.

They sincerely believe it's all one giant conspiracy.