The originaly Bible hasn't change, or the meaning of it, however some translations may to be acurate.
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What you think Judeo-Christian writting are duck food? Why don't you go read some of the historical traditions of the polytheistics writting and you will be happy for the accuracy of the Judeo-Christian writtings.
Just give Moses the same consideration that you would give any scientest. As much as your able to verify Moses, he checks out and is proven to be accurate. That is good reason to believe he is relyable and accurate in all of his work. All of the Bible builds on the writtings and the work of Moses.
In addition to the Bible, you have the Midrash, the Talmud, The kabbalah. You have the work of Josephus. Josephus, for example writes that the Armenian people at the time of his writings still remembered, and knew the place of Noah's Ark. Also, you have the work of polytheists like Gilgamesh that you could use to compare his story of the flood with Moses story of the flood. You have the historical traditions of the Armenian people who beleive they are decended from one of Noah's sons after the flood.
Why don't you run a search on the cradle of civilization and a search on the furtile crescent and do a little bit of study yourself on the history of these areas. You could run a search on ancient mesopotamia. I am sure you will see considerable history outside of the Bible. Before you go asking for more information or history, why don't you do a study on the history we do have.
Adam and Eve are historical people. There maybe an allegory to their story. But that does not make them any less historical. We know there was a real Abraham, we know there was a real Noah, there is no reason not to believe there was a real Adam & Eve. Trace back their language, do a study on ancient languages, before the tower of Babel. Even evolutionary theory and the study of DNA suggest that everything starts with one man and one women. Civilization and language can be traced back to them.
I am not allowing anything, it is one of the theorys, and I just mentioned it as one of the theorys. I did not say I believed it. I am not all that interested in what took place before 4000 BC. It is enough right now just to do a study on recorded history. When you go back before Adam and Eve there is no written record. You have to go by archeology and anthropology.
Although David Rohl spent a lot of time to study prehistoric cave painting, before he took a interest to go find the Garden of Eden. There seem to be enough scientists they feel he could have found the home of Adam and Eve. Rohl is not a christian, but he does use the Bible and he does find the places that the Bible talks about. His real interest is Egyptian History, but he realized that there was a civilization in ancient mesopotamia before Egypt, and he has been in that area doing research.
http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/eden/expertqa.html
Joseph Stalin and Saddam have kept this stuff under wraps for long enough. Now that these areas are starting to be liberated, we can see the rich historical tradition that has been suppressed from the rest of the world and from the tools of modern science.
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Even evolutionary theory and the study of DNA suggest that everything starts with one man and one women. Civilization and language can be traced back to them.
I would like to see the evidence for this.
As everything ive read suggests that you need a group of people to keep the diversity of DNA high enough to keep the population alive.
I would like to see the evidence for this.
As everything ive read suggests that you need a group of people to keep the diversity of DNA high enough to keep the population alive.
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Today at 04:38 PM Arikay said this in Post #238
Thats fine.
Im just thinking that you arent understanding somethings. As there is No scientific backing for creationism. None at all.
That is nonsense. Up untell Darwin, there was no disagreement between theology and science. It was not tell Darwin came along that science abandoned the Bible. Ever sense then you see more and more nonsense that they call science. Because they have abandoned the Bible and the stability that affords.
The Bible is an anchor, when you cut the rope to the anchor then your are going to be tossed around on the waves. That is exactly what you see in a lot of science today. They believe one thing one day, and something else the next day. Because they have abandoned the stability you get from the Bible.
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There was no disagreement between science and the Bible before Darwin?
You forgot the whole Galileo thing didn't you Jon?
As far as your anchor analogy, if the waves are too great you have to cut the anchor and drop the sails if you wish to survive.
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Today at 05:22 PM Arikay said this in Post #247
Even evolutionary theory and the study of DNA suggest that everything starts with one man and one women. Civilization and language can be traced back to them.
I would like to see the evidence for this.
Oh, come on, don't you keep up at all with the DNA research that has been done in the last 10 years? Just run a search using the key words Adam, Eve and DNA. It would be best to go to the BBC articals, they seem to be the most accuate.
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Smilin:
Are you talking to John? If you are thats the seconnd time that you call JohnR7 Jon.
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Today at 05:56 PM Jon said this in Post #254
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Are you talking to John? If you are thats the seconnd time that you call JohnR7 Jon.
My apologies Jon. Now that you're amongst us, I will be more aware.
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IC, so you make an assumption and call it fact.
So, who created the creator?
Or do you also assume that no one created the creator?
So, who created the creator?
Or do you also assume that no one created the creator?
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You made a bold statement about science and the Bible. Since you're not aware of the conflict between Galileo and those who used the Bible to claim the Earth was the center of the universe, you aren't aware that the statement you made is totally false.
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