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Proselyte said:... As we all know, the Bible is clear on being against this lifestyle. What I need is some other reasons to use with my friends on this topic. The reason being is that they don't believe the Bible, or in Jesus. ... Thanks!
jtbdad said:The Scriptures do not support slavery or racism, they do however acknowledge that they exist.
proselyte said:Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.
They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves (Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)jtbdad said:The Scriptures do not support slavery or racism, they do however acknowledge that they exist.
HunterRose said:They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves (Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)
Saint2300 said:He simply meant the Bible is wrong, untrue!
artjack said:I think you may be alittle confused, man is not here to produce more people!
I remember reading in the bible that,
jesus was preaching & was asked by the deciples so it is wise not to marry then you say?,and he said something like, there are people made by god who are not ment for marriage, perhalps they are disabled or had something go wrong in the whomb by gods doing so what you ask is correct, but men wont like what I say jesus said,
thats not the exact words but perhalps someone could tell you where it is, I forget.
HunterRose said:They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves (Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)
Please do not put words into my mouth.Saint2300 said:He simply meant the Bible is wrong, untrue!
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.Exodus 21:7jtbdad said:So far I have only had time to look up a couple of these admittedly but, I still only see acknowledgment the first one I read said "If you buy a Hebrew Slave" It doesn't say go buy one. It does give commands on proper treatment if you do. But as I earlier wrote I haven't researched all of them.
Remember, God allowed some things such as Divorce due to the Hardness of men's hearts.HunterRose said:When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.Exodus 21:7
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. Leviticus 25:44-45
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:2-6
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." Luke 12:47-48
You don't understand.HunterRose said:
They do much more than acknowledge their existence. Scriptures provide moral guidelines for buying and selling slaves (Exodus 21:2-6) even moral guidelines for selling your own daughter into slavery. (Exodus 21:7-11). The bible contains moral guidelines for beating, crippling and killing slaves (Exodus 21:20-21) (Luke 12:47-48). Slaves are given the same value as animals, not people. (Exodus 23:12) Scripture says slaves are property and nothing more (Leviticus 25:44-46) The bible says that the children of slaves are inferior to the children of free people (Galatians 4:28-31). The bible also declares it immoral for slaves to seek freedom or rebel (Ephesians 6:5), (1 Timothy 6:1-2) The New Testament will not help anyone nor will call any Christian to fight for the rights of any slave to be freed. The slave will simply have to either live as a slave and die as a slave (1 Corinthians 7)
Colabomb said:I don't follow the Bible because I like what it says. I follow the Bible because it is True.
If the Scriptures say these things
And it also says that Liars homosexuals etc, will not inherit the Kingodm of Heaven.artybloke said:is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.
Show me the magic context that makes this say something else.artybloke said:is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.
artybloke said:is a very moot point. Read in its historical context, and not just pretending it was written yesterday, it says nothing for certain about loving homosexual relationships; though it does have a lot to say about justice for the poor, defending the widows and orphans loving your neighbour as yourself.
Colabomb said:Show me the magic context that makes this say something else.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Timothy 1:10
and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
jtbdad said:It may be true that not all men are meant to reproduce but throughout scripture the commandment to go forth and multiply is repeated in different ways.
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