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Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.Proselyte said:Why would there be Biblical confusion over this topic? There have been many clear passages in the Bible of God's mandate against the gay lifestyle.
JonF said:i don't think he made a claim about what should be legal, only about what is a sin.
They are free to think whatever they shall but I believe they are wrong in that assumption.Colabomb said:Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.
Proselyte said:They are free to think whatever they shall but I believe they are wrong in that assumption.
Hadron said:People that believe they are Christian and are actively homosexual are in defiance of God's commandments. They will be separated out, and they will burn in hell. Repent now!!!
If you look enough you can find evidence that everything is a sin.Proselyte said:Let's assume you are correct with homosexuality being genetic, what is your view as to whether or not it is a sin in God's eyes?
JonF said:This doesnt relate to my post, since my post was about the relationship between members of a population passing on genes and reproducing.
You are of course aware that type O blood is the result of a recessive gene...right?I did, for simplicity sake but I will now address it. If homosexuality is genetic and recessive we still run into problems. Most traits that have detrimental affect on reproduction that are recessive are recessive to a large degree, keeping a very small portion of the population showing phenotypes for said trait.
I must ask exactly what is a physical characteristic of homosexuality?A significant portion of our population shows physical characteristics of homosexuality, so if homosexuality was recessive, it wouldnt be recessive to the degree required to allow sufficient genetic drift.
Thanks to modern medicine. And only recently with the introduction of insulinThe roll of genetics in type 1 diabetes is still highly debatable. Many with type 1 diabetes still reach maturity and reproduce,
this makes a dramatic distinction between the case of homosexuality and type 1 diabetes. My claim was about genetics playing a role in homosexuality to the degree of where homosexuals have no choice but to be homosexual.
Hemophilia is highly recessive, to the point of nearly 1/3 of all cases of hemophilia being spontaneous. Both parents must carry hemophilia in order to produce a child who shows any physical signs of being a hemophiliac. This is why no significant portion of our population shows phenotypes for hemophilia. Unlike homosexuality. Homosexuality cant be recessive to the degree of hemophilia because such a significant portion of our population is homosexual.
Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as wellColabomb said:Many liberal Christians believe that The Scriptures are either misinterpreted or simply wrong.
Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.HunterRose said:Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as well
But anything that is as detrimental to reproduction such as homosexuality doesnt make it very many generations.
Proselyte said:Do those people understand that it was man who created those conditions and if anything, God was providing guidelines in how to care for a servant or slave, and treat them kindly? God wasn't saying racism or slavery is approved, anymore than he said have multiple wives. Those are conditions man introduced.
MapleLeaf said:Okay 2 points here.
1) If scripture says that marriage is between a man and a woman, are you in support of civil marriages between same-sex couples? The United States, nor Canada is a theocracy so should not be ruled by any particular religion.
2) If scripture is the rule of law, what about all the overweight people in North American society? Last time I read the Bible it also mentioned gluttony as a sin. Can we stop overweight people from eating? Deny them the opportunity to be with someone they love? After all, they can control that as well and "choose" not to.
DeepThinker said:Wow. well I guess that told them.
Mabey you should look to what Jesus proclaims is the second most important commandment of all, "love thy neighbour as thyself" I think your in direct violation of that one right now.
Remember God Judges everyone, not you.
HunterRose said:Many Christians, liberal or otherwise, believe that scriptures supporting the morality of slavery and racism are wrong as well
jtbdad said:But (not defending the poster you are responding to) is not warning your neighbor of what Scripture says a very real way of loving your neighbor? Jesus Himself told those taken in sin to go and sin no more, He didn't say it's ok you are just being yourself. I know it is cliche but if you were heading down the road and the bridge was out would you not want to know? Would I be a loving neighbor if I knew you were heading towards the span and did not warn you?
DeepThinker said:There is a subtle difference to what was said "They will burn in Hell" I belive it was. I doubt there is any knowlege at all just exactly how God will Judge us at the end, thats why he does it, by all means express your veiws, but do it lovingly, I doubt a statement like that would stop anyone from continuing with their desired life style, if anything it is that sort of comment that makes people more vigilant to their cause.
Proselyte said:Hello friends. A discussion has opened up between my non-Christian friends and I regarding some issues. One of them is the topic of homosexuality.
As we all know, the Bible is clear on being against this lifestyle. What I need is some other reasons to use with my friends on this topic. The reason being is that they don't believe the Bible, or in Jesus. If I just say the Bible says so, that's not going to help their understanding. Topics like murder, aldutery, abortion to some extent are easier to debate due to the effects they have on other people. But how about homosexuality?
I've already taken into account the fact that at its basic level, it doesn't propagate the species. I still think I need something else to go with.
Many of these friends are curious, and I have been opening the door to Christianity with them. My goal is to continue to do so in a caring and loving manner, and not force anything on them, as that isn't always effective.
Thanks!
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