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Novaknight1 said:
Oh, please. Can't we all just move on? Can't humanity leave this one behind? Hasn't enough time passed? *sigh*
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Novaknight1 said:We have a debate: is Evolution science or religion? No interference allowed. Let the debate begin. My position is that it's a religion. My opponent says Evolution is a part of science. We shall see who's right and who's wrong.
Novaknight1 said:We have a debate: is Evolution science or religion? No interference allowed. Let the debate begin. My position is that it's a religion. My opponent says Evolution is a part of science. We shall see who's right and who's wrong.
Well, actually, evolution is both fact and theory. There is the fact of evolution that allele frequencies change over time. There is the theory of evolution that explains this fact. A theory is an explanation of facts, it will never become fact itself.FutureTeller said:Evolution is defenitley not a religion, as no religion speaks about it or asks its followers to believe in it.
Evolution is not even a science, i mean a science fact, as it wasnt completely proven till now, many scientists still doubt it.
Evolution is just a theory put by man, it is still in the theoritical form, not 100% fact yet.
FutureTeller said:Evolution is not even a science, i mean a science fact, as it wasnt completely proven till now, many scientists still doubt it.
FutureTeller said:
Evolution is just a theory put by man, it is still in the theoritical form, not 100% fact yet. :scratch
FutureTeller said:Evolution is defenitley not a religion, as no religion speaks about it or asks its followers to believe in it.
Evolution is not even a science, i mean a science fact, as it wasnt completely proven till now, many scientists still doubt it.
Evolution is just a theory put by man, it is still in the theoritical form, not 100% fact yet.
aeroz19 said:Oh, please. Can't we all just move on? Can't humanity leave this one behind? Hasn't enough time passed? *sigh*
Novaknight1 said:Yet? If as much evidence exists as it needs, why haven't we found it over 100 years ago? It's not a fact now, it will NEVER be a fact.
You still dont know what scientific theory is, do you?Novaknight1 said:Yet? If as much evidence exists as it needs, why haven't we found it over 100 years ago? It's not a fact now, it will NEVER be a fact.
Novaknight1 said:That would require billions of billions of billions of years to rearrange even the amino acids and nucleotides for even a virus with only 400 nucleotides and amino acids.
corvus_corax said:You still dont know what scientific theory is, do you?
Lucretius said:Evolution is a theory. However, it most definately is science. Definition of a Scientific Theory.
Novaknight, you are unbelievably wrong. Many things in evolution are facts. Natural selection, heredity, etc.
Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences.
Natural selection is something humans see occur in everyday life. Same thing with heredity. It is a real thing. To say this is not fact is to be blatantly ignorant.
As to your question: I have to say it is one of the stupidest things I have heard. Why didn't we find it 100 years ago? I'm sure they had devices like mass spectrometers 100 years ago, back when they hadn't even invented the plane.
Besides, the whole "I deny Evolution so Creationism must be true" is basically your flawed logic getting in the way of rational thought. To perceive creationism as fact is to be a literal fool.
caravelair said:apparantly nova is unable to learn anything. (or unwilling).
Novaknight1 said:I can and do learn, I just don't have the time to learn lies.
Novaknight1 said:I don't doubt natural selection or heredity. The question is not do they occur, but the question is Do they add up to Evolution. Besides, why is it so hard to accept Creation as a fact? If you see the sonar on a submarine and say it was designed yet see the sonar on a bat or a dolphin and say it is the product of chance, isn't that inconsistant?
corvus_corax said:You still dont know what scientific theory is, do you?
Lucretius said:Uh natural selection and heredity will basically point to evolution.
Modern synthesis theory has three major aspects:
The common descent of all organisms from a single ancestor.[From heredity]
The origin of novel traits in a lineage.[From heredity]
The mechanisms that cause some traits to persist while others perish.[From natural selection].
Evolutionary Theory
Yes, they do add up to Evolution.
Why is it so hard to believe in Creation?
#1)It was a book written by guys who have no knowledge of science.
#2)It was written by guys who believed they were communicating with the supernatural.
#3)The flood theory is a proven impossibility.See?
#4)The Bible is chock full of wrong things; why believe any of the other stuff that isn't historical fact?
#5)There is no evidence for it.
#6)Evidence supports Evolution.
#7)In order to believe in Creation, one has to believe in the creation of everything in 6 days. Planets take longer than 6 days to form.See?
#8)Why should I listen to a bunch of claims and assertions when there is no fact behind them?
#9)It requires belief in the supernatural, which can never be proven through natural evidence.
That is why Creationism is not hard, but impossibleto believe in, unless you didn't think logically.
Novaknight1 said:A theory means it's very likely, but not definite.
In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact" - part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess. Thus the power of the creationist argument: evolution is "only" a theory and intense debate now rages about many aspects of the theory. If evolution is worse than a fact, and scientists can't even make up their minds about the theory, then what confidence can we have in it? Indeed, President Reagan echoed this argument before an evangelical group in Dallas when he said (in what I devoutly hope was campaign rhetoric): "Well, it is a theory. It is a scientific theory only, and it has in recent years been challenged in the world of science - that is, not believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was."
Well evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are NOT about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms.
Evolutionists have been very clear about this distinction of fact and theory from the very beginning, if only because we have always acknowledged how far we are from completely understanding the mechanisms (theory) by which evolution (fact) occurred. Darwin continually emphasized the difference between his two great and separate accomplishments: establishing the fact of evolution, and proposing a theory - natural selection - to explain the mechanism of evolution.
- Stephen J. Gould, "Evolution as Fact and Theory"; Discover, May 1981
If Evolution were a fact, as is commonly taught, we should have LOTS of evidence supporting it.
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